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    Cyburbian Cardinal's avatar
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    Crime and Punishment

    Last night I closed the downstairs windows before going to bed. Why? I watched the 10:00 news. A gang of criminals has been breaking into homes in the town next door, at night when residents are home and asleep. While police captured three, there are others still on the loose. There are worse criminals still around. A couple days ago an ice cream stand was robbed. The manager was shot and an 18-year old kid working there was killed. Police have identified suspects. Both have long records. One has 20 arrests as a juvenile and is on parole for his other crimes as an adult. The other served time for first degree sexual assault in addition to other crimes as an adult and juvenile. Both are gang members. My first thought was "why are these thugs even out on the street?"

    It seems we tend to fall into one of two camps. Either we believe in zero-tolerance, truth-in-sentencing, three strikes, and similar tough approaches to crime, or we believe in rehabilitation, time served and a fresh start, treatment for addictions, etc. Both approaches have their problems, but set that aside for a moment. Our faltering economy is going to raise the level of debate. On the one hand, criminal activity tend to increase as the economy weakens, as people on the margins perceive fewer opportunities. On the other hand, strained state budgets have many prison systems (which have been one of the fastest-growing budget expenses) releasing prisoners early, putting them back on the street. A perfect storm?

    So what is the solution? More widespread use of the death sentence? More efforts to rehabilitate offenders? Forced labor for prisoners, to help recoupe some of the cost of housing them? Ankle bracelets and home sentencing? Exiling criminals to remote island prisons where they can serve out their sentence, and if they live through it, remain for the rest of their lives?
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    Rethink the "war on drugs". Would resolve many problems

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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal View post
    Exiling criminals to remote island prisons where they can serve out their sentence, and if they live through it, remain for the rest of their lives?
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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal View post
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    So what is the solution? More widespread use of the death sentence? More efforts to rehabilitate offenders? Forced labor for prisoners, to help recoupe some of the cost of housing them? Ankle bracelets and home sentencing? Exiling criminals to remote island prisons where they can serve out their sentence, and if they live through it, remain for the rest of their lives?
    There is no good solution.
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    Quote Originally posted by Richi View post
    Rethink the "war on drugs". Would resolve many problems
    Agree. Alot of these sort of problems are made worse and more common by the failed war on drugs.

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    I think we need an intelligent way to identify/discriminate reformables from unreformables. How can this best be accomplished? We don't want to waste time or resources on people that have no interest in taking on a useful role in society. Based on recidivism rates http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/reentry/recidivism.htm it would appear the percentage of reformables, though, would be a minority.
    Here's what Cyburbia had to say on the topic earlier.
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...ime+punishment
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Here's what Cyburbia had to say on the topic earlier.
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...ime+punishment
    My previous responses were so well reasoned and cogent that I don't think I can improve on them but I would like to suggest that we set aside New Jersey and the various legislatures as potential places of residence and employment for the miscreants. Commercial banking should be a required course of study for the inmates.

    Slightly more seriously, it's not a problem that's unique to our society. I don't think anyone anywhere has found a solution to crime that works successfully on a societal rather than individual basis.
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