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  1. #1
    Gary D Taylor
    Guest

    [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).


    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  2. #2
    Denise Bulat
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    Gary,
    I have taken some eligible teleconferences and one day of two-day State APA conferences that I have not reported.

    My biggest concern is that in the last year, since May of 2008 through May of 2009, I will have successfully completed the National Development Council (NDC) Certification Program to become and economic development profession which involves four one week sessions that last from morning through early evening with at test on Friday. My last class will be the week of May 11th. I have learned significantly more in these classes than many of the webinars and some of the conferences sessions that would count - one was on humor in planning????

    This is an expensive program for all of the participants, over $4,200 each to complete to bring the trainer into the Quad Cities. This certification has been recognized for many years, yet APA would have required the NDC to pay several thousands of dollars for this to count as planning credits thus increasing participants costs. These types of programs should be automatically counted if well known and rigorous, similar to college classes, but they are not. It makes me think APA is not as interested in professional development as in making money.

    I am seriously considering discontinuing AICP accreditation due to this issue.


    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Gary D Taylor
    Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:20 PM
    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: [IowaAPA] CM credit status





    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).

    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  3. #3
    Erik Lundy
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    At some point in the summer when the reporting system is upgraded, you should be able to self report 8 hours of that. While it is nowhere near the entire number of hours you devoted to the course, you can at least get something.



    As a counter point, what you gain from the NDC courses is well beyond what he CM program intent expects in order to keep yourself sharp. For that cost you could easily meet your CM requirements 2 or 3 times over. On another note, just because they are prestigious doesn't mean they shouldn't pay to have their credits listed through APA like many other providers such as ULI, Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, or Lorman Education Services. This cost is a drop in the bucket for them based on the number of AICP members that likely take their courses. And for the price you're paying you should be able to count them for your professional development. They would attract even more if they would register their credits. In reality NDC is its own separate credential over and above AICP.



    I do agree that some of the offerings that do count for credit are weak at best. Many are primarily designed to reach the level of Commissioners and non-planning professionals and they are easy to provide to the masses. Some of them can be a good refresher and giving them CM credit has helped add to the number of affordable opportunities helping keep the argument the CM is not affordable at bay to some extent. This system is always going to have some give and take to be successful. It's very hard to have a one size fits all over a such diverse profession, yet there needs to be some higher level of accountability than just personal ethics if the profession is to gain further credibility. I hope you really take a hard look before making a decision to drop your Certification.



    Erik Lundy



    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    CC: mflynn (AT) ci (DOT) davenport.ia.us; gmccullough (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    From: dbulat (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:38:23 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status









    Gary,

    I have taken some eligible teleconferences and one day of two-day State APA conferences that I have not reported.

    My biggest concern is that in the last year, since May of 2008 through May of 2009, I will have successfully completed the National Development Council (NDC) Certification Program to become and economic development profession which involves four one week sessions that last from morning through early evening with at test on Friday. My last class will be the week of May 11th. I have learned significantly more in these classes than many of the webinars and some of the conferences sessions that would count – one was on humor in planning????

    This is an expensive program for all of the participants, over $4,200 each to complete to bring the trainer into the Quad Cities. This certification has been recognized for many years, yet APA would have required the NDC to pay several thousands of dollars for this to count as planning credits thus increasing participants costs. These types of programs should be automatically counted if well known and rigorous, similar to college classes, but they are not. It makes me think APA is not as interested in professional development as in making money.

    I am seriously considering discontinuing AICP accreditation due to this issue.




    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Gary D Taylor
    Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:20 PM
    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: [IowaAPA] CM credit status








    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).

    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  4. #4
    Jensen, Alan D [CO CE]
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    Erik,



    Okay, so I am way behind and trying to catch up on these CM
    requirements. What is this "self report" aspect that you mention?
    Where do I find out more about it?



    For the sake of argument, there are excellent agencies that many of us
    look to, in our particular areas of planning expertise, which are not
    necessarily prestigious (yet anyway). In economically stressed times (a
    far too gentle description) as now, with wide diversity of social,
    environmental, energy, urban, rural, international
    planning...."concerns", are our AICP CM authorities able to respond to
    award CM credit for appropriate and needed expansion of professional
    knowledge and skills?



    Can you, or anyone else, tell us how these things are processed and
    decisions made within AICP? That process is probably posted somewhere
    and would be old news, but a reminder for the common good would help me.



    Thanks

    Alan





    Alan D. Jensen, AICP

    ISU GIS Extension Program Director

    Community & Regional Planning Department

    Lecturer and Intern Coordinator, CRP, MPA

    2711 S. Loop Dr., Suite 4900

    Ames, IA 50010-8664



    Reception: 515-294-8397

    Office: 515-294-2073

    Fax: 515-294-1354

    Email: adjensen (AT) iastate (DOT) edu

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gis/



    ________________________________

    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
    Of Erik Lundy
    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:33 AM
    To: iowaapa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status








    At some point in the summer when the reporting system is upgraded, you
    should be able to self report 8 hours of that. While it is nowhere near
    the entire number of hours you devoted to the course, you can at least
    get something.

    As a counter point, what you gain from the NDC courses is well beyond
    what he CM program intent expects in order to keep yourself sharp. For
    that cost you could easily meet your CM requirements 2 or 3 times over.
    On another note, just because they are prestigious doesn't mean they
    shouldn't pay to have their credits listed through APA like many other
    providers such as ULI, Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, or Lorman
    Education Services. This cost is a drop in the bucket for them based on
    the number of AICP members that likely take their courses. And for the
    price you're paying you should be able to count them for your
    professional development. They would attract even more if they would
    register their credits. In reality NDC is its own separate credential
    over and above AICP.

    I do agree that some of the offerings that do count for credit are weak
    at best. Many are primarily designed to reach the level of
    Commissioners and non-planning professionals and they are easy to
    provide to the masses. Some of them can be a good refresher and giving
    them CM credit has helped add to the number of affordable opportunities
    helping keep the argument the CM is not affordable at bay to some
    extent. This system is always going to have some give and take to be
    successful. It's very hard to have a one size fits all over a such
    diverse profession, yet there needs to be some higher level of
    accountability than just personal ethics if the profession is to gain
    further credibility. I hope you really take a hard look before making a
    decision to drop your Certification.

    Erik Lundy


    ________________________________

    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    CC: mflynn (AT) ci (DOT) davenport.ia.us; gmccullough (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    From: dbulat (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:38:23 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status



    Gary,

    I have taken some eligible teleconferences and one day of two-day State
    APA conferences that I have not reported.



    My biggest concern is that in the last year, since May of 2008 through
    May of 2009, I will have successfully completed the National Development
    Council (NDC) Certification Program to become and economic development
    profession which involves four one week sessions that last from morning
    through early evening with at test on Friday. My last class will be the
    week of May 11th. I have learned significantly more in these classes
    than many of the webinars and some of the conferences sessions that
    would count - one was on humor in planning????



    This is an expensive program for all of the participants, over $4,200
    each to complete to bring the trainer into the Quad Cities. This
    certification has been recognized for many years, yet APA would have
    required the NDC to pay several thousands of dollars for this to count
    as planning credits thus increasing participants costs. These types
    of programs should be automatically counted if well known and rigorous,
    similar to college classes, but they are not. It makes me think APA is
    not as interested in professional development as in making money.



    I am seriously considering discontinuing AICP accreditation due to this
    issue.





    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
    Of Gary D Taylor
    Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:20 PM
    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: [IowaAPA] CM credit status







    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the
    breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).

    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  5. #5
    Erik Lundy
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    Alan-



    Check this first


    http://www.planning.org/cm/index.htm the self-reporting capability to log your credits is still not set up but is slated to be by summer according to the website. The intent of these credits is to be able to take advantage of the opportunities that are to costly to register with APA for the few number of Certified planners that would attend. You would be obligated to keep your own records of attendance and verification in case you happen to get audited.



    If you are not able to get to the National conference, the best way to get a good share of those credits will be at the Iowa Chapter conference in October in Des Moines, which should give you the ability to gain approximately half the requirement plus get the Ethics and Law requirements knocked out. The goal of the Chapter leadership is to provide enough credit opportunities by merely attending the state meeting every year. Also the metro group is trying to give easy access to the Audio/Web conference series by providing venues to share in those opportnities at only your cost to get there. However, at this point, you won't get enough credits exclusively through those alone, before the deadline.








    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    From: adjensen (AT) iastate (DOT) edu
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:13:25 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status









    Erik,


    Okay, so I am way behind and trying to catch up on these CM requirements. What is this “self report” aspect that you mention? Where do I find out more about it?

    For the sake of argument, there are excellent agencies that many of us look to, in our particular areas of planning expertise, which are not necessarily prestigious (yet anyway). In economically stressed times (a far too gentle description) as now, with wide diversity of social, environmental, energy, urban, rural, international planning….”concerns”, are our AICP CM authorities able to respond to award CM credit for appropriate and needed expansion of professional knowledge and skills?

    Can you, or anyone else, tell us how these things are processed and decisions made within AICP? That process is probably posted somewhere and would be old news, but a reminder for the common good would help me.

    Thanks
    Alan



    Alan D. Jensen, AICP
    ISU GIS Extension Program Director
    Community & Regional Planning Department
    Lecturer and Intern Coordinator, CRP, MPA
    2711 S. Loop Dr., Suite 4900
    Ames, IA 50010-8664

    Reception: 515-294-8397
    Office: 515-294-2073
    Fax: 515-294-1354
    Email: adjensen (AT) iastate (DOT) edu
    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gis/





    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Erik Lundy
    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:33 AM
    To: iowaapa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status








    At some point in the summer when the reporting system is upgraded, you should be able to self report 8 hours of that. While it is nowhere near the entire number of hours you devoted to the course, you can at least get something.

    As a counter point, what you gain from the NDC courses is well beyond what he CM program intent expects in order to keep yourself sharp. For that cost you could easily meet your CM requirements 2 or 3 times over. On another note, just because they are prestigious doesn't mean they shouldn't pay to have their credits listed through APA like many other providers such as ULI, Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, or Lorman Education Services. This cost is a drop in the bucket for them based on the number of AICP members that likely take their courses. And for the price you're paying you should be able to count them for your professional development. They would attract even more if they would register their credits. In reality NDC is its own separate credential over and above AICP.

    I do agree that some of the offerings that do count for credit are weak at best. Many are primarily designed to reach the level of Commissioners and non-planning professionals and they are easy to provide to the masses. Some of them can be a good refresher and giving them CM credit has helped add to the number of affordable opportunities helping keep the argument the CM is not affordable at bay to some extent. This system is always going to have some give and take to be successful. It's very hard to have a one size fits all over a such diverse profession, yet there needs to be some higher level of accountability than just personal ethics if the profession is to gain further credibility. I hope you really take a hard look before making a decision to drop your Certification.

    Erik Lundy





    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    CC: mflynn (AT) ci (DOT) davenport.ia.us; gmccullough (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    From: dbulat (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:38:23 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status





    Gary,
    I have taken some eligible teleconferences and one day of two-day State APA conferences that I have not reported.

    My biggest concern is that in the last year, since May of 2008 through May of 2009, I will have successfully completed the National Development Council (NDC) Certification Program to become and economic development profession which involves four one week sessions that last from morning through early evening with at test on Friday. My last class will be the week of May 11th. I have learned significantly more in these classes than many of the webinars and some of the conferences sessions that would count – one was on humor in planning????

    This is an expensive program for all of the participants, over $4,200 each to complete to bring the trainer into the Quad Cities. This certification has been recognized for many years, yet APA would have required the NDC to pay several thousands of dollars for this to count as planning credits thus increasing participants costs. These types of programs should be automatically counted if well known and rigorous, similar to college classes, but they are not. It makes me think APA is not as interested in professional development as in making money.

    I am seriously considering discontinuing AICP accreditation due to this issue.




    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Gary D Taylor
    Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:20 PM
    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: [IowaAPA] CM credit status







    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).

    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  6. #6
    Jensen, Alan D [CO CE]
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status

    Thanks Erik. I am heading to Mpls. Has anyone planned an "Iowa
    rendezvous" somewhere?



    Alan



    ________________________________

    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
    Of Erik Lundy
    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:55 AM
    To: iowaapa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status








    Alan-

    Check this first

    http://www.planning.org/cm/index.htm
    <http://www.planning.org/cm/index.htm> the self-reporting capability
    to log your credits is still not set up but is slated to be by summer
    according to the website. The intent of these credits is to be able to
    take advantage of the opportunities that are to costly to register with
    APA for the few number of Certified planners that would attend. You
    would be obligated to keep your own records of attendance and
    verification in case you happen to get audited.

    If you are not able to get to the National conference, the best way to
    get a good share of those credits will be at the Iowa Chapter conference
    in October in Des Moines, which should give you the ability to gain
    approximately half the requirement plus get the Ethics and Law
    requirements knocked out. The goal of the Chapter leadership is to
    provide enough credit opportunities by merely attending the state
    meeting every year. Also the metro group is trying to give easy access
    to the Audio/Web conference series by providing venues to share in those
    opportnities at only your cost to get there. However, at this point,
    you won't get enough credits exclusively through those alone, before the
    deadline.




    ________________________________

    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    From: adjensen (AT) iastate (DOT) edu
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:13:25 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status



    Erik,



    Okay, so I am way behind and trying to catch up on these CM
    requirements. What is this "self report" aspect that you mention?
    Where do I find out more about it?



    For the sake of argument, there are excellent agencies that many of us
    look to, in our particular areas of planning expertise, which are not
    necessarily prestigious (yet anyway). In economically stressed times (a
    far too gentle description) as now, with wide diversity of social,
    environmental, energy, urban, rural, international
    planning...."concerns", are our AICP CM authorities able to respond to
    award CM credit for appropriate and needed expansion of professional
    knowledge and skills?



    Can you, or anyone else, tell us how these things are processed and
    decisions made within AICP? That process is probably posted somewhere
    and would be old news, but a reminder for the common good would help me.



    Thanks

    Alan





    Alan D. Jensen, AICP

    ISU GIS Extension Program Director

    Community & Regional Planning Department

    Lecturer and Intern Coordinator, CRP, MPA

    2711 S. Loop Dr., Suite 4900

    Ames, IA 50010-8664



    Reception: 515-294-8397

    Office: 515-294-2073

    Fax: 515-294-1354

    Email: adjensen (AT) iastate (DOT) edu

    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gis/
    <http://www.extension.iastate.edu/gis/>



    ________________________________

    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
    Of Erik Lundy
    Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:33 AM
    To: iowaapa (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status







    At some point in the summer when the reporting system is upgraded, you
    should be able to self report 8 hours of that. While it is nowhere near
    the entire number of hours you devoted to the course, you can at least
    get something.

    As a counter point, what you gain from the NDC courses is well beyond
    what he CM program intent expects in order to keep yourself sharp. For
    that cost you could easily meet your CM requirements 2 or 3 times over.
    On another note, just because they are prestigious doesn't mean they
    shouldn't pay to have their credits listed through APA like many other
    providers such as ULI, Lincoln Institute of Land Policy, or Lorman
    Education Services. This cost is a drop in the bucket for them based on
    the number of AICP members that likely take their courses. And for the
    price you're paying you should be able to count them for your
    professional development. They would attract even more if they would
    register their credits. In reality NDC is its own separate credential
    over and above AICP.

    I do agree that some of the offerings that do count for credit are weak
    at best. Many are primarily designed to reach the level of
    Commissioners and non-planning professionals and they are easy to
    provide to the masses. Some of them can be a good refresher and giving
    them CM credit has helped add to the number of affordable opportunities
    helping keep the argument the CM is not affordable at bay to some
    extent. This system is always going to have some give and take to be
    successful. It's very hard to have a one size fits all over a such
    diverse profession, yet there needs to be some higher level of
    accountability than just personal ethics if the profession is to gain
    further credibility. I hope you really take a hard look before making a
    decision to drop your Certification.

    Erik Lundy


    ________________________________

    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    CC: mflynn (AT) ci (DOT) davenport.ia.us; gmccullough (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    From: dbulat (AT) bistateonline (DOT) org
    Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:38:23 -0500
    Subject: RE: [IowaAPA] CM credit status



    Gary,

    I have taken some eligible teleconferences and one day of two-day State
    APA conferences that I have not reported.



    My biggest concern is that in the last year, since May of 2008 through
    May of 2009, I will have successfully completed the National Development
    Council (NDC) Certification Program to become and economic development
    profession which involves four one week sessions that last from morning
    through early evening with at test on Friday. My last class will be the
    week of May 11th. I have learned significantly more in these classes
    than many of the webinars and some of the conferences sessions that
    would count - one was on humor in planning????



    This is an expensive program for all of the participants, over $4,200
    each to complete to bring the trainer into the Quad Cities. This
    certification has been recognized for many years, yet APA would have
    required the NDC to pay several thousands of dollars for this to count
    as planning credits thus increasing participants costs. These types
    of programs should be automatically counted if well known and rigorous,
    similar to college classes, but they are not. It makes me think APA is
    not as interested in professional development as in making money.



    I am seriously considering discontinuing AICP accreditation due to this
    issue.





    From: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf
    Of Gary D Taylor
    Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:20 PM
    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    Subject: [IowaAPA] CM credit status





    AICPers,

    APA National sent me cumulative statistics that show the CM credit
    hours earned by Iowa AICP members as of March 31. Following is the
    breakdown:

    16 members have 32 or more credits, thus meeting all requirements for
    the 2008-2009 reporting period.
    15 have 24 to 31.75 credit hours
    13 have 16 to 23.75 credit hours
    19 have 8 to 15.75 credit hours
    8 have 1 to 7.75 credit hours
    22 have 0 credit hours reported to APA.

    The best chances to big up large numbers of credits in the shortest
    amount of time are obviously the National Conference that begins this
    Saturday in Minneapolis, and the Iowa Chapter conference October
    28-30 in Des Moines. There are other opportunities for credits from
    APA webinars and audio conference. It will be difficult for those in
    the bottom two categories to get to 32 credits without going to one
    or both of these conferences.

    If you need any information that will help you along with earning
    your credits please don't hesitate to contact me (except next week,
    of course, when I'll be in Minneapolis earning credits for myself!).

    Gary Taylor, J.D., AICP
    APA-Iowa Chapter Professional Development Officer
    Assistant Professor & Extension Specialist
    Department of Community & Regional Planning
    Iowa State University
    286 College of Design
    Ames, IA 50011
    Ph: 515.294.2973
    Fax: 515.294.5156

  7. #7
    Erik Lundy
    Guest

    RE: [IowaAPA] Zoning Regulation of Cage Fighting?

    How would you regulate it any differently than a high school wrestiling match or a boxing club or a rock concert? I would have to say in Des Moines any Zoning that would allow these uses would allow MMA events. The impacts are similar, parking, fire safety, etc. It's primarily an assembly use, the big question on the impact of the use would be whether the venue plans to sell alcoholic beverages. If it has an ongoing liquor license or if they are possibly requesting a temporary. In Des Moines if it is a location that has multiple events a year with liquor sales we require a Conditional Use permit through the Board of Adjustment, and they must meet requirements for an assembly use under Building Codes. If these are random special events the City Council can grant a temporary liquor sales and the Building Codes are applied differently. We have a similar issue with rodeos that keep reoccuring on a weekly or every other week basis. They want to be treated like a random special event, but their impacts are becoming regular to the surrounding properties.



    If it is the stigma of the violent nature of the sport that is the real concern, then I'm not sure how Zoning can be used to exclude it from the community. I would definitely make sure they meet all your fire safety and assembly regulations (restrooms, egress, parking). Make sure they produce sales tax permits, state licenses, proper sancitioning, etc. Do you require itinerant vendor licenses in Pella? Perhaps this would apply. I'm interested in hearing from somebody in West Des Moines, as they have these events frequently.



    To: IowaAPA (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
    From: gwesselhoft (AT) cityofpella (DOT) com
    Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 07:29:38 -0500
    Subject: [IowaAPA] Zoning Regulation of Cage Fighting?










    All,


    Is anyone aware of any cities in Iowa that regulate cage fighting (or ultimate fighting, mixed martial arts, etc.) through their zoning ordinance? Believe it or not, but there is a cage fighting event scheduled for the Legion building here in Pella this weekend, and our City Attorney opinion is that we have nothing in current code to specifically regulate such. The one ordinance I have seen from Marion prohibits alcohol at such events, but this is not under their zoning ordinance.

    George Wesselhoft, AICP
    Planning and Zoning Director
    City of Pella
    100 Truman Road
    Pella, Iowa 50219
    (641) 628-1601
    Fax 628-1620

  8. #8
    George Wesselhoft
    Guest

    [IowaAPA] Ice Cream Truck/Mobile Vendor Regulations

    All,



    Does anyone regulate ice cream trucks or mobile vendors either through
    zoning or peddler/merchant chapters of their Code? I know from Erik Lundy
    that Des Moines prohibits vending from moving vehicles, however, would be
    interested to know how other cities regulate too.



    We have a proposal by someone to move their ice cream truck business to
    Pella and the City Attorney position right now is that they would be limited
    to the commercial districts.



    George Wesselhoft, AICP

    Planning and Zoning Director

    City of Pella

    100 Truman Road

    Pella, Iowa 50219

    (641) 628-1601

    Fax 628-1620

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