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    But, I thought Mitt Romney single-handedly "saved" Detroit? What could there possibly be left to do?

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    Quote Originally posted by Cismontane View post
    But, I thought Mitt Romney single-handedly "saved" Detroit? What could there possibly be left to do?
    Mitt did not even know his boyhood mansion was ripped down because it was left as an eyesore. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNc_buB_rQ8
    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/in...d_home_to.html

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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    Noted Urban Planner Coming to Detroit (And it's not an article about me going downtown yesterday evening for bowling night!)

    Maybe something really will come of Detroit's downsizing plan. The Kresge Foundation has already hired a planner that will be paid by the foundation but work for the city's planning and economic development department. I can imagine others in the city (either regular citizens or folks in the city government) who might feel this is some sort of conflict of interest by having an outsider, paid for by a suburban foundation no less! gasp! working in such a capacity....
    It looks like this plan is still slowly chugging along. The Detroit Future City publicly released its plan yesterday and today the Kresge Foundation announced they are pledging $150 million towards implementation. That could go towards a lot of property buyback and demolition.

    I have yet to read the full 347 page plan but hope to go through a lot of it on my down time at work over the next couple of days.
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    Freep article about the Detroit Future Plan

    Nice piece by one of my favorite Freepsters.

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2013301130166

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    I don't usually like to promote ruin porn, and I think the article that accompanies the photos purposefully glosses over the fact that Cass Tech as an institute still flourishes, albeit in a new building, but this is indeed a pretty cool idea for a series of photographs:

    The Life and Death of an Iconic Detroit High School

    Full photo series at Detroit Urbex


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    At least Cass Technical H. S. was replaced and not closed.

    My Uncle was a Graduate of that school. I wanted to go too but the 'rents wanted me to go to a Catholic high school instead. A lot of good that did!
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    At least Cass Technical H. S. was replaced and not closed.

    My Uncle was a Graduate of that school. I wanted to go too but the 'rents wanted me to go to a Catholic high school instead. A lot of good that did!
    My dad had an opportunity to go to Cranbrook as a resident student for free through high school thanks to the Episcopal diocese in the early 1950s but his parents turned it down because he was invited to go to Cass Tech for a few classes a day each year and they thought that would be a better opportunity. I think that is a pretty good testament to how strong of a school that was... and still is. The few young adults I've met that went to Cass Tech over the past decade have all seemed very smart and very well grounded.

    I remember going in there in 1996 as a high school senior from the sticks for a competition I was in and just being in awe of the architecture and the facilities. I never knew high schools like that actually existed outside of the movies or television. FWIW, I've been in the new version as well and it too is quite impressive in its own right.
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    At least Cass Technical H. S. was replaced and not closed.

    My Uncle was a Graduate of that school. I wanted to go too but the 'rents wanted me to go to a Catholic high school instead. A lot of good that did!
    It's too bad the old Cass Tech buikding wasn't rehabbed or saved. Buffalo Public Schools is taking a much different approach; they're putting billions of dollars into renovatilns and uogrades of their older school buildimgs. Space is an issue; there's not nearly the same amount of vacant land as in Detroit. Also, there's a heightened awareness of Buffalo's historic building stock, and a greater value is placed on preserving older structures even when it might make more economic sense to build new.

    I attended Hutchinson Central Technical High School, tbe Buffalo equivalent of Cass Tech or Brooklyn Tech. Hutch Tech is in downtown Buffalo, was built in 1917, and is very similar to Cass Tech. Instead of relocation and demolition, the school was rehabbed. I took a tour a few years ago, and the result is spectacular. Square footage was greatly expanded in the existing building footprint, yet the appearance from the street remains intact.
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    Kwame and his boy Bobby guilty. Hopefully this is part of a new chapter for the City.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE
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    Kwame and his boy Bobby guilty. Hopefully this is part of a new chapter for the City.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...text|FRONTPAGE
    I doubt it. It's going to get a lot worse before getting better. There is going to be HUGE pushback when the emergency financial manager is appointed, and some very painful reforms will have to be made before recovery can begin.
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    The guy who I blame for me having to move out is done. I am elated with this. I only wish I had some safety in my old hood for those still trapped there.
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    At least Cass Technical H. S. was replaced and not closed.

    My Uncle was a Graduate of that school. I wanted to go too but the 'rents wanted me to go to a Catholic high school instead. A lot of good that did!
    My brother ('85) and dad ('62) went to Cass. I have my dad's yearbook and it is pretty darn awesome. My brother struggled to graduate having to catch multiple buses everyday to get downtown from our house at 7 & Gratiot. I think he was a Bio-Tech major or something like that. I definitely did not want to go to Cass and was super fortunate to be able to cobble together enough money to go to a Catholic HS. I was heading to Denby or Finney otherwise.

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    Quote Originally posted by plankton View post
    My brother ('85) and dad ('62) went to Cass. I have my dad's yearbook and it is pretty darn awesome. My brother struggled to graduate having to catch multiple buses everyday to get downtown from our house at 7 & Gratiot. I think he was a Bio-Tech major or something like that. I definitely did not want to go to Cass and was super fortunate to be able to cobble together enough money to go to a Catholic HS. I was heading to Denby or Finney otherwise.

    7 and Gratiot would have been easy! I grew up at Joy and Southfield. I too cobbled together $$ for the Catholic HS. That was only one bus away! I was responsible for paying for the books, fees, and transportation.
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    A classic from Robert Crumb.

    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    Yep...history makin' in the D.

    I see the assets of the DIA and Zoo as the first valuable assets to be sold off. There's an estimated $1,000,000,000 worth of art at the DIA, which is all owned by the City.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Quote Originally posted by mendelman View post
    I see the assets of the DIA and Zoo as the first valuable assets to be sold off. .
    Came here to post this. It's a frightening thought. Detroit isn't exactly known as a center of high culture, and to lose the collection of its only major art museum would be devastating. I thought DIA would be private.

    (Slightly OT: several years ago, the Albright-Knox Art Gallery in Buffalo sold off a large part of its collection; mostly works in long-term storage that couldn't be considered modern art. The intent was to increase the gallery's endowment, so it could compete with galleries in larger cities in acquiring new works. Still, there was a a lot of outrage among locals. I could see some of DIA's modern art collection landing in Buffalo.)

    I can see one bright side to this: the disposition of city-owned vacant land, returning it to the tax rolls. Hopefully, they'll be selling contiguous parcels rather than individual lots.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    Hey, I'm all for lower taxes. What a great platform.
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    The DIA is publicly owned by the City. Recently there has been millages passed in the suburbs to help sustain both the Museum and the Zoo. There are now regional boards that run these institutions. Most of the art was loaned to the DIA by deep pocketed early lumber barons and induistrialists. Technically, most of the art is owned by those families not Detroit.

    The collection is mind boggling. Some of The beTTer known arTworks include le Penser (the Thinker) by Rodin, Van Gogh's and Warhol's self-portraits, a shrine of murals to the working man by Diego Rivera paid for by the Ford family. You will also find everything from the first Howdy Doody and Kermit the Frog to several works by Cezanne, Picasso, Serault... and a whole slew of other impressionists/modernists. The museum itself has just undergone a renovation and 60,000 square foot expansion paid for by today's rich folk. The DIA also is one of the major alt film theaters in town.

    You would be surprised at how much cultural institutions are loved and supported here. Not too many towns can boast of both a world class symphony hall as well as an opera house.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Institute_of_Arts

    It is not the only Art museum in town though it is the most known and visited. There is also Cranbrook http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranbro...onal_Community In addition there are artist studios everywhere in town. This is due to two things: rent is dirt cheap and hipsters and artists love to get inspired by the grit. Russell Industrial Center is an agglomeration of artist studios in an old car factory. http://www.modeldmedia.com/features/russell129.aspx

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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    Hey, I'm all for lower taxes. What a great platform.
    I'm sure that huge wall, employees to staff city hall 24/7, bouncers to check IDs, etc, will all be provided by volunteers. Sounds like someone doesn't understand where taxes go!

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    Interesting perspective from some folks at Brookings.

    A Growth Strategy for Post-Bankruptcy Detroit

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    Quote Originally posted by Mud Princess View post
    Interesting perspective from some folks at Brookings.

    A Growth Strategy for Post-Bankruptcy Detroit
    The issue here is that the growth in unequal. While the core is indeed growing the neighborhoods are getting no investment and are emptying out. Its not so much of a growth strategy as one of centralization. You feel shrinkage if you live in your average neighborhood.
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    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    The issue here is that the growth in unequal. While the core is indeed growing the neighborhoods are getting no investment and are emptying out. Its not so much of a growth strategy as one of centralization. You feel shrinkage if you live in your average neighborhood.
    What is your take on what would bring investment into the neighborhoods?
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What is your take on what would bring investment into the neighborhoods?
    Well, you didn't ask me, but I'll give my two cents - people would actually want to live there (ie, full and timely municipal services, acceptable schools, living wage jobs not a minimum 10 miles away....).
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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