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Poll results: What do you think the outcome of tomorrow's presidential election will be?

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  • Obama wins electoral and popular vote

    20 76.92%
  • Romney wins electoral and popular vote

    2 7.69%
  • Gary Johnson wins electoral and popular vote :thumb:

    0 0%
  • Obama wins electoral vote, Romney wins popular vote

    4 15.38%
  • Romney wins electoral vote, Obama wins popular vote

    0 0%
  • Obama and Romney tie in the electoral vote

    0 0%
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Thread: The First 2012 Presidential Election Thread

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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    Okay, Socialist Party ... looks like they knew what they were doing when they nominated their candidates.

    From Wikipedia:
    I think they do it on purpose.

    I know that in 04 the Socialist VP candidate came to our school to give a talk, and he expressed basically the same thing. I don't even think he was a citizen.

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    MSNBC just called Obama.

    Just turned on Fox News. They sound BUMMED. I mean, seriouslyy disappointed.
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    Fox just called it for Obama too. Im enjoying watching the butthurt fox commentators

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    Local county results:

    Barack Obama (Democrat) 24,019 67.887% X
    Mitt Romney (Republican) 10,080 28.490%
    Jill Stein (Green) 737 2.083%
    Peta Lindsay (Socialist) 25 0.071%
    Gary Johnson (Libertarian) 362 1.023%
    Virgil Goode (Constitution) 30 0.085%
    Write-in 128 0.362%
    TOTAL 35,381 100.000%
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    Here in Mitt Romney's home county (or one of them), he's down 53% to 45%. It does look like he will win his home precinct though, so there's that bright side for him...
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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Fox just called it for Obama too. Im enjoying watching the butthurt fox commentators
    They've already begun to talk about the fiscal cliff... let's see how obstructionist they'll be during this term.
    And that concludes staff’s presentation...

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    Exit polls seem to closely resemble reported results. Tin foil hat back on bitches!!
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    Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

    Equality won last night!
    Education won last night!
    Health care won last night!
    Occupy Your Brain!

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    Quote Originally posted by TerraSapient View post
    Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!

    Equality won last night!
    Education won last night!
    Health care won last night!
    I would argue that it was a pretty clear indication that social issues are the Democrats. Gay marriage was approved, Akin and Mourdock both lost. The GOP better start reevaluating their tent.
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    As this election is now over, I would argue that we keep this thread open until Friday to finish off all the political talk about 2012. Then we move the talk to 2016 or the Never ending Political thread....

    Moderator note:
    As promised, I have merged the Last Presidential Thread with the First Presidential Thread.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    MSNBC just called Obama.

    Just turned on Fox News. They sound BUMMED. I mean, seriouslyy disappointed.
    I confess I intentionally avoided most of Fox's campaign coverage until after the Presidential race was called, simply because I wanted to compare them to every other network and was curious how they were going to try to spin this as some sort of great 'victory' for Cause. You're right, the prevailing mood on the Fox set seemed to be, if not surprised, then crestfallen.

    Quote Originally posted by Hink
    I would argue that it was a pretty clear indication that social issues are the Democrats. Gay marriage was approved, Akin and Mourdock both lost. The GOP better start reevaluating their tent.
    Rather than soul search, my guess is you're going to see them double down instead and try to run even further right in the future. Certainly that's going to be the direction the talking head are going to push....'the reason we lost is because we didn't run someone conservative enough'
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    I confess I intentionally avoided most of Fox's campaign coverage until after the Presidential race was called, simply because I was curious how they were going to try to spin this as some sort of great 'victory'. You're right, the prevailing mood on the Fox set seemed to be, if not surprised, then crestfallen.
    I like when Fox News called Ohio. Karl Rove, who has been right with Rasmussen in his insanely uninformed picking of states, pretty much cried about the pick, and then Fox had to reevaluate and spent a good 30 minutes going through why they pick (rightfully) what they did. Karl Rove is a political hack. The fact that Fox even has him on, speaks volumes to their fair and balanced approach.

    I would like to see that Rasmussen is put in the partisan polling place now as well. After the clearly wrong results they were predicting for months with R support up in numerous states, they can no longer pretend they aren't the equivalent of PPP on the left.

    Also, Nate Silver is still a genius. Those on the right who wanted so desperately to have him be an idiot, and wrote scathing stories about how wrong he is.... should be writing apologies in the Washington Post and Wall Street Journal shortly.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    Well, it's been shown to help fight cancer, can ease symptoms of anxiety, nausea, pain, and a million other things. Helps fight off infection. It's next to impossible to overdose on. It doesn't cause cancer like nicotine does. It causes people to become less violent, resulting in less violent crimes. Harmful? Not according to actual scientific studies.
    There are numerous narcotics that can be legally prescribed, so why shouldn't marijuana be in that group, too? I'm NOT in favor of legalizing it totally, but I am for medical use.

    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    I would argue that it was a pretty clear indication that social issues are the Democrats. Gay marriage was approved, Akin and Mourdock both lost. The GOP better start reevaluating their tent.
    Exactly. I do NOT knowingly vote for bigots, so I cannot vote for any Republicans for federal office because of the reprehensible social positions of the national GOP (even though individual Republicans may NOT support them, they don't dare really oppose them, either), and the same holds true for Republicans running for state-wide office in New York. The NYS Republican Party leadership has pretty much embraced the radical Right social agenda as well, repeatedly nominating cretins so far out of the mainstream of 21st thinking for state-wide office that the Democratic candidates might as well run unopposed. Their last candidate for governor was Carl Paladino, a racist, sexist, homophobic bully from South Buffalo who was an embarrassment to Buffalo, WNY, and to NYS itself.

    Most of the Republicans running for local office are decent people with mainstream views on social issues, even here in Redneck Heaven, so I can and do vote for some of them. Unfortunately, if they aspire to higher state or federal office, then they have to kowtow to the bigots running the state and national parties to get anywhere.
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    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    I like when Fox News called Ohio. Karl Rove, who has been right with Rasmussen in his insanely uninformed picking of states, pretty much cried about the pick, and then Fox had to reevaluate and spent a good 30 minutes going through why they pick (rightfully) what they did. Karl Rove is a political hack. The fact that Fox even has him on, speaks volumes to their fair and balanced approach.
    The grifter in charge - CBSO - was exposed last night on national TV. And he didn't handle having sunlight shined on him very well did he? I think he's been demoted from in charge wizard to manager of an obscure department in Omaha.
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    Everything was within the margin of error.... statistically speaking.
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    Quote Originally posted by Tide View post
    Everything was within the margin of error.... statistically speaking.
    Which means what? Are you arguing for the misinformed talking heads who thought that the pollsters were wrong based on the margin of error or oversampling? Just a question.
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    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    Which means what? Are you arguing for the misinformed talking heads who thought that the pollsters were wrong based on the margin of error or oversampling? Just a question.
    Polls have been back and forth. I understand what Rove was saying last night - he didn't want to have another FL 2000 called one way and reversed, they should have waited about 15 to 20 more minutes to be more sure. So many states were decided by ~100,000 votes which is slim, and within the +/- 3.0 or 3.5% margin that all polls are unsure about. I'm not saying polls were wrong, when the final tallies come out it will be interesting to see how close the poll % and final % were, but again, all within that margin of error.
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    A moment of silence for the great Bear Up North. He started this thread. Miss him.

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    Quote Originally posted by Tide View post
    Polls have been back and forth. I understand what Rove was saying last night - he didn't want to have another FL 2000 called one way and reversed, they should have waited about 15 to 20 more minutes to be more sure. So many states were decided by ~100,000 votes which is slim, and within the +/- 3.0 or 3.5% margin that all polls are unsure about. I'm not saying polls were wrong, when the final tallies come out it will be interesting to see how close the poll % and final % were, but again, all within that margin of error.
    When you aggregate polls, the MOE gets smaller, it is not additive. Therefore when you look at 20 polls together and see the same result - as in the handful that were consistent throughout - that is much stronger than looking at one poll with a 3.5% MOE and calling it a tossup.

    And the polls generally weren't that back and forth nationally. Sure, there were some battleground states that saw some variation, but especially in, say, OH the gap was clear. The Repub efforts to disenfranchise Dems is part of what made it close there.
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    It sounds like the polls that didn't favor Obama went with the assumption that 2008 was a fluke and that minority turnout wouldn't be the same in 2012. That's the reason all these Republicans were claiming the polls were skewed in favor of the Democrats when in reality they just reflected the changing composition of the electorate. Republicans were anticipating demographic issues down the line but were completely blindsided by how significant it'd be this election.

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    This brings me joy...

    http://news.yahoo.com/karl-rove-vs-f...-politics.html


    According to Rove, who appeared to be going through extreme denial that Mitt Romney had lost, there were too many outstanding votes in Ohio to give the state to Obama, tipping the race in his favor.

    No one else at Fox took his side. And to prove him wrong, Megyn Kelly walked down the hall in a live action shot to the "decision desk" that called the race and interviewed the men in charge.
    I love to see the whiny talking heads be shown up. I find it interesting that I get so much joy when either sides talking heads are shown to be idiots. I feel the same way about Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Sean Hannity, and Rush. To pretend like you are unbiased is hilarious. The fact that you get paid to be divisive should be enough to have people hate you, but the fact that you then cry about your candidate losing, just adds to the joy that you bring me.
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    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    This brings me joy...

    http://news.yahoo.com/karl-rove-vs-f...-politics.html




    I love to see the whiny talking heads be shown up. I find it interesting that I get so much joy when either sides talking heads are shown to be idiots. I feel the same way about Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, Sean Hannity, and Rush. To pretend like you are unbiased is hilarious. The fact that you get paid to be divisive should be enough to have people hate you, but the fact that you then cry about your candidate losing, just adds to the joy that you bring me.
    Many people live inside the right-wing bubble that was adamant the polls were wrong, Romney would win in a landslide, Obama is a muslim who likes to watch Americans die and is purposefully destroying the economy. I think reality finally smacked those people right in the face.

    Pundits like George Will, Dick Morris, Karl Rove who were so terribly wrong and telling their listeners not to believe the polls and the regular media, they should be fired. I wonder where the accountability is. All the people who outright lied to politicize the Libya situation to help Romney, they should all be fired. Fox and other right-wing media need to be held accountable for outright lies and racism IMO.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    I think reality finally smacked those people right in the face.
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    The bubble (I call it the bubba) comes in between their face and reality's hand. Today they are no closer to sniffing the air in the reality-based community than yesterday. But hopefully the Repub leadership will see the light and try and make a place at the table for the smart people to return to the party.
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    Quote Originally posted by ColoGI View post
    The bubble (I call it the bubba) comes in between their face and reality's hand.
    Um...
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    In was on both sides

    Here are the "Liar, Liar, Pants On Fire Awards" from the 2012 Presidential Campaigns:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-poll-results/


    Topping the list is Rush saynig the Affordable Healthcare was the biggest tax hike ...
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