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    America's most drunk cities

    Really, I'm disappointed in you, Buffalo. With all the corner taverns serving $2 pints of Genesee, the tens of thousands of college students, the 4:00 AM last call, and you're only the 66th drunkest city in the United States. At least you beat Rochester, which is near the bottom of the list of America's most drunk cities.


    Who's number one, you might ask? Fresno
    . As if topping the list of meth capitals of the country wasn't enough ... or is that Bakersfield?

    I also thought I'd see Albuquerque near the top. It's no coincidence that's Maryland's proposed DUI license plates and Ohio's current "party plates" so closely resemble standard New Mexico license plates, since the state has a reputation for the proliferation and tolerance of drunk driving.

    The list, from Men's Health by way of USA Today:

    1.) Fresno, CA F
    2.) Reno, NV F
    3.) Billings, MT F
    4.) Riverside, CA F
    5.) Austin, TX F
    6.) St. Louis, MO F
    7.) San Antonio, TX F
    8.) Lubbock, TX F
    9.) Tucson, AZ F
    10.) Bakersfield, CA F
    11.) Las Vegas, NV F
    12.) Modesto, CA F
    13.) Columbia, SC F
    14.) Nashville, TN D-
    15.) Madison, WI D-
    16.) Colorado Springs, CO D-
    17.) Denver, CO D-
    18.) Phoenix, AZ D-
    19.) Cheyenne, WY D-
    20.) Sacramento, CA D-
    21.) New Orleans, LA D-
    22.) Toledo, OH D
    23.) Aurora, CO D
    24.) El Paso, TX D
    25.) Corpus Christi, TX D
    26.) Fargo, ND D
    27.) San Diego, CA D
    28.) Lexington, KY D
    29.) Tampa, FL D
    30.) Albuquerque, NM D
    31.) Oklahoma City, OK D+
    32.) Tulsa, OK D+
    33.) Jacksonville, FL D+
    34.) Detroit, MI D+
    35.) Boise City, ID D+
    36.) Kansas City, MO D+
    37.) Washington, DC D+
    38.) Montgomery, AL D+
    39.) Omaha, NE D+
    40.) Portland, OR D+
    41.) Anchorage, AK D+
    42.) Birmingham, AL D+
    43.) Greensboro, NC C-
    44.) Wichita, KS C-
    45.) St. Petersburg, FL C-
    46.) Burlington, VT C-
    47.) Houston, TX C-
    48.) Los Angeles, CA C-
    49.) Charleston, WV C
    50.) Orlando, FL C
    51.) Spokane, WA C
    52.) Lincoln, NE C
    53.) Arlington, TX C
    54.) Des Moines, IA C
    55.) Fort Worth, TX C
    56.) Providence, RI C
    57.) Anaheim, CA C
    58.) Milwaukee, WI C
    59.) Pittsburgh, PA C
    60.) Baltimore, MD C
    61.) Indianapolis, IN C
    62.) Louisville, KY C
    63.) Raleigh, NC C
    64.) Seattle, WA C+
    65.) Grand Rapids, MI C+
    66.) Buffalo, NY C+
    67.) Wilmington, DE C+
    68.) Hartford, CT C+
    69.) Sioux Falls, SD C+
    70.) Virginia Beach, VA C+
    71.) Memphis, TN C+
    72.) Cincinnati, OH C+
    73.) Cleveland, OH C+
    74.) Charlotte, NC C+
    75.) Oakland, CA C+
    76.) Little Rock, AR B-
    77.) Dallas, TX B-
    78.) Richmond, VA B-
    79.) San Jose, CA B-
    80.) Minneapolis, MN B-
    81.) Jackson, MS B-
    82.) Jersey City, NJ B-
    83.) Columbus, OH B-
    84.) Atlanta, GA B-
    85.) Chicago, IL B
    86.) San Francisco, CA B
    87.) St. Paul, MN B
    88.) Honolulu, HI B
    89.) Philadelphia, PA B+
    90.) Portland, ME B+
    91.) Manchester, NH B+
    92.) Fort Wayne, IN A-
    93.) New York, NY A-
    94.) Durham, NC A
    95.) Newark, NH A
    96.) Miami, FL A
    97.) Salt Lake City, UT A
    98.) Rochester, NY A+
    99.) Yonkers, NY A+
    100.) Boston, MA A+
    The magazine, which will publish the list of 100 major cities in i's March edition, drew upon such data as death rates from alcoholic liver disease, booze-fueled car crashes, frequency of binge-drinking in the past month, number of DUI arrests, and severity of DUI penalties.
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    I'm seriously disappointed with that list - Madison, WI is 15th and Milwaukee, WI is only *58th*????

    SHEESH!

    (hehehehehehe)



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    Wow. I live halfway between #5 and #7!

    I'm actually a little surprised at the cities that came in ahead of Austin. Austin has a huge university and the city is covered with hipsters/$30,000 millionaires that go out to clubs every damn night of the week. Also, there are a ton of government employees and, well, I think we've all seen what THEY are like!
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    What's interesting from perhaps a Cyburbia perspective is how they arrived at their results. They compiled data from car crashes, DUIs and severity of DUI penalties. Given that Boston has a well used mass transit system (perhaps in relative terms, but definitely when compared to say, Fresno), it's no wonder how a Boston would score low while a Fresno (and other towns in the West) would score high.

    A conclusion of Boston rating less drunk than Salt Lake should clearly call into question the methodology in obtaining the results. Just another case of East Coast bias.

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    I'm a little surprised, too, SR. However, if there was a list of not just "drunkest cities", but "not at full mental capacity due to chemical substances cities" (basically drinking + drug usage), Austin would be higher.

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    Salt Lake City made the top 100 list???? The Mormon capital of the world? Huh???I thought you needed a permit to order a cocktail in SLC, and only then on alternate Tuesdays between Lent and Ramadan!

    I'm sorry but that list must be incorrect.

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    At least my fair city is not on the list.
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    Clearly this was limited only to the Top 100 largest metro areas, otherwise I'm pretty sure my town would near the top of the list!
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    Thanks for posting this list. Now I know where all the action is. I have some vacation time coming up... Fresno here I come!
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    Quote Originally posted by Rygor View post
    Clearly this was limited only to the Top 100 largest metro areas, otherwise I'm pretty sure my town would near the top of the list!
    Are you sure it is "metros"? Unless my olde eyes are failing me again, I don't see Dayton, OH on the list. Their metro is about a million but the city itself is relatively low pop. Then again, I see some obviously smaller cities. Perhaps they used "largest markets"?

    Toledo is number 1 in Ohio. Woo-hoo! And the highest ranking for a city that is on the Great Lakes. Madison is "close" to a Great Lake. But to get from Madison to Milwaukee's lakefront you probably need at least 4 beers.



    You have to wonder about the methodologies that are used for all of these lists.

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    Quote Originally posted by UrbaneSprawler View post
    What's interesting from perhaps a Cyburbia perspective is how they arrived at their results. They compiled data from car crashes, DUIs and severity of DUI penalties. Given that Boston has a well used mass transit system (perhaps in relative terms, but definitely when compared to say, Fresno), it's no wonder how a Boston would score low while a Fresno (and other towns in the West) would score high.

    A conclusion of Boston rating less drunk than Salt Lake should clearly call into question the methodology in obtaining the results. Just another case of East Coast bias.
    Chicago wasn't too high on this list but given the emphasis on drunk driving it makes sense given the transit here and the abundance of cabs.

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    Methodology is always an issue in these lists. Enforcement of drunk driving laws is not uniform across all jurisdictions, a fact that makes comparisons essentially useless. I remember a few years ago there was a thread reporting that Portland OR had a very high rate of leaking underground storage tanks. The conclusion was "so much for Portland's green cred." But Portland takes LUSTs seriously and has an aggressive program of finding them and fixing them. To compare that with some place that looks the other way on LUSTs makes no sense. The same is true of drunk driving. As pointed out, those pedestrian friendly, transit-oriented communities might be drunker than the auto oriented ones, but they're not capturing the drunk walkers, drunk taxiers, and drunk transiters. And let's not forget that for many of the places high on the list, the only way anyone would be willing to be there is if they were impaired.

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    Quote Originally posted by UrbaneSprawler View post
    Given that Boston has a well used mass transit system (perhaps in relative terms, but definitely when compared to say, Fresno), it's no wonder how a Boston would score low while a Fresno (and other towns in the West) would score high.

    A conclusion of Boston rating less drunk than Salt Lake should clearly call into question the methodology in obtaining the results. Just another case of East Coast bias.
    The T (public transit in Boston) shuts down at 12:30 AM. The bars don't close until 2. I always considered this a recipe for drunken disaster and I'm surprised to see the score that it got. Yeah, Boston is a walking city, but not so much if you live 5 miles from downtown on the other side of the harbor (you can't stumble home through the tunnels).

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    Quote Originally posted by mikeisquixotic View post
    The T (public transit in Boston) shuts down at 12:30 AM. The bars don't close until 2. I always considered this a recipe for drunken disaster and I'm surprised to see the score that it got. Yeah, Boston is a walking city, but not so much if you live 5 miles from downtown on the other side of the harbor (you can't stumble home through the tunnels).
    The plain and simple fact is that fewer people in Boston rely on single-occupant motor vehicles for transportation than almost any other city in the US. This alone makes three of the criteria used to score the cities non-applicable to a large percentage of Boston residents. Drunk-driving crashes and DUIs are not the best factors to use for a city where a large percentage of people to not drive themselves regularly.

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    Wow. Just a few years ago Milwaukee was the #1 drunkest city in America, now we're 58th... What happened!?
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