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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Not to argue, but I would venture to say that almost every one of the people who are in DC politics deserve to be on that bus.

    Yeah, but with one key difference: The Democrats, in general, are far more tolerant of those of different religious, racial, ethnic, sexual, or socio-economic backgrounds. They know there are many more deep-rooted issues and problems that the country should focus it's attention (inequality, stagnant wages, climate change, infrastructure, bank regulation, etc) but the right wing of the GOP (which is just about everybody these days) keeps focusing on oppressing the rights of all minorities (basically anyone who will vote against them). And all the money that is being spent to further suppress these groups (border walls, police militarization, keeping the LBGTG out of the military, etc) is that much more money that is being taken away from funds that could be used to fix roads, address substandard housing, curtail gun violence, address the threat of invasive species, etc. Just think about the tens of billions proposed to be spent on The Wall alone. Why, that would probably pay for most of the millions of students' tuition costs for college or the trade schools for the next four years.

    Like I said before, these GOPinheads in Congress are so intolerant of those of different persuasions and are so utterly focused on enacting knee jerk laws and regulations to oppress such groups, that if they are not stopped by the end of next year, it will eventually bring the entire economy to collapse. But they don't care. In fact, they absolutely relish in almost masturbatory glee of the misery the will create for anyone who isn't a "christian" white male or Wall Street power broker, or doesn't subscribe to their very intolerant and narrow minded worldview. And with the tax cuts to the super rich about to be in place, they will pilfer all they can for the next few years, until there is so much debt that it will be unsustainable.

    So you can either open up you eyes and see what a dangerous monster Roy Moore is in his relentless spouting off about 9/11 and homosexuality or how the Koch brothers will continue to hammer away at all the quality of life regulations that have been in place for almost 50 years now; or you can just lump all politicians together and accomplish nothing.

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    Quote Originally posted by Super Amputee Cat View post
    Yeah, but with one key difference: The Democrats, in general, are far more tolerant of those of different religious, racial, ethnic, sexual, or socio-economic backgrounds. They know there are many more deep-rooted issues and problems that the country should focus it's attention (inequality, stagnant wages, climate change, infrastructure, bank regulation, etc) but the right wing of the GOP (which is just about everybody these days) keeps focusing on oppressing the rights of all minorities (basically anyone who will vote against them). And all the money that is being spent to further suppress these groups (border walls, police militarization, keeping the LBGTG out of the military, etc) is that much more money that is being taken away from funds that could be used to fix roads, address substandard housing, curtail gun violence, address the threat of invasive species, etc. Just think about the tens of billions proposed to be spent on The Wall alone. Why, that would probably pay for most of the millions of students' tuition costs for college or the trade schools for the next four years.

    Like I said before, these GOPinheads in Congress are so intolerant of those of different persuasions and are so utterly focused on enacting knee jerk laws and regulations to oppress such groups, that if they are not stopped by the end of next year, it will eventually bring the entire economy to collapse. But they don't care. In fact, they absolutely relish in almost masturbatory glee of the misery the will create for anyone who isn't a "christian" white male or Wall Street power broker, or doesn't subscribe to their very intolerant and narrow minded worldview. And with the tax cuts to the super rich about to be in place, they will pilfer all they can for the next few years, until there is so much debt that it will be unsustainable.

    So you can either open up you eyes and see what a dangerous monster Roy Moore is in his relentless spouting off about 9/11 and homosexuality or how the Koch brothers will continue to hammer away at all the quality of life regulations that have been in place for almost 50 years now; or you can just lump all politicians together and accomplish nothing.
    I am not sure I agree with your assessment of democrats as a whole. They are better at selling that idea to the American people, but when it comes down to it, they haven't really taken action to actually help those groups in the way that they claim during their campaign speeches. There is no question that there are some very vocal republicans who say how they feel because the party allows it, but I would venture to guess that there are just as many democrats who don't say that because it is not consistent with the party image. Then you have people who claim to be doing good like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton who just use race as a stepping stone for personal power and promote hate.

    People like Moore should be not only kicked out of politics, he should be locked up. But so should people like John Conyers. Neither party has your best interest at heart... by the democrats are better at selling the idea that they do.




    On a different note, Trump actually signed the tax bill into law... today. I guess the claims that he was going to wait to help the midterms either pushed him to act early or were more politically damaging than not signing it before 2018.
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    AT&T and several other corporations will be giving 1,000 bonus he checks to all employees in response to Trump signing the tax bill. So how many people will be giving their bonus checks to charity out of protest.

    The more I look into this bill, the more I think it is not as doom and gloom as people claim. Yes, long term it will benefit the wealthy more than the middle and lower class.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    The more I look into this bill, the more I think it is not as doom and gloom as people claim. Yes, long term it will benefit the wealthy more than the middle and lower class.
    I have to agree. I think the media per usual is blowing it completely out of proportion. The only thing that really scares me is the increase to the deficit. I suppose the GOP reasons that more money in the pocket = more spending money, but similar tax cuts haven't seen that return. It's a short term tax bill anyways, it's looking increasingly likely that the Dems will blow the GOP out in 2018, and Trump will (hopefully) be a 1 term President. Everything in this tax bill will be null and void by 2021.

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    Quote Originally posted by AG74683 View post
    I have to agree. I think the media per usual is blowing it completely out of proportion. The only thing that really scares me is the increase to the deficit. I suppose the GOP reasons that more money in the pocket = more spending money, but similar tax cuts haven't seen that return. It's a short term tax bill anyways, it's looking increasingly likely that the Dems will blow the GOP out in 2018, and Trump will (hopefully) be a 1 term President. Everything in this tax bill will be null and void by 2021.
    Trickle down, yo! I am also worried about the deficit, and also what's going to be cut out in order to pay for the tax breaks. That's my biggest issue with the tax bill.

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    Another sweetheart - Republican Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee - Not so much

    Editorial: Lobbyists are winning fight against restoring net neutrality
    https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/...et-neutrality/

    Blackburn has been one of their prime beneficiaries, receiving more than $500,000 from telecom companies since she took office in 2002, including $84,000 in the most recent election cycle, the biggest contribution to any member of the House of Representatives.

    Blackburn also went out of her way to block any notion of blue states writing their own net neutrality laws.
    Her bill would pre-empt states from passing “any law, rule, regulation, duty, requirement, standard or other provision” related to net neutrality.

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    Quote Originally posted by gtpeach View post
    Trickle down, yo! I am also worried about the deficit, and also what's going to be cut out in order to pay for the tax breaks. That's my biggest issue with the tax bill.
    This. The Republicans will need to reform entitlements to pay for tax breaks that are permanent for corporations and temporary for citizens. (Isn’t that completely backwards?) I have already been screwed over by raising the retirement age to 67, when my brother and sister were able to retire at 65 (i’m 57). They’ll no doubt make it age 70 before I retire and reduce my benefits and screw over Medicare and Medicaid, all for a few bucks more in my pockets for a couple years. Uh, thanks but no thanks.
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    I think my biggest problem with the tax bill is the hypocrisy of those on the right, especially the President. He ran on a populist platform and hyped up how he'd get a tax plan put through that would help the middle class and the working class more than anybody and that he'd do that by not benefiting the wealthy. Well, according to just about every expert analysis has confirmed that's the exact opposite of what's actually in the bill. That's not to mention how horrible a lot of the folks on the right are always saying that having a such a high national debt is but suddenly their alright with exploding that by another trillion+ dollars.

    Next up, the President says he wants to get a much needed infrastructure bill passed through. There'd be a lot more money to put towards infrastructure if we didn't just commit ourselves to paying a boatload more for debt service over the next decade.

    Paul Ryan has entitlement reform on his radar as something he wants Congress to work on during the next year and now they've got a built in excuse for cutting entitlements even further - the exploding debt!
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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    Paul Ryan has entitlement reform on his radar as something he wants Congress to work on during the next year and now they've got a built in excuse for cutting entitlements even further - the exploding debt!
    I am pretty worried about programs like Medicare and Social Security, personally, and I'm not even close to being able to consider retirement. But I'm far enough into my career that if they change the rules of the game, I'm going to be struggling to compensate in a private retirement fund. I think the recession in 2008 proved that we can't count on the private markets to protect wealth, either, so if they slash SS, we're in a no-win situation really.

    That said, that's me being scared as someone that makes a decent salary and has a steady job. Think about all the people that are struggling to get by day-to-day that have to be worried about losing aid for basic services they need to function on a daily basis. Look at all the states that are cutting their insurance programs for kids because they lost funding. I just don't see how anyone can find this acceptable.

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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    Paul Ryan has entitlement reform on his radar as something he wants Congress to work on during the next year and now they've got a built in excuse for cutting entitlements even further - the exploding debt!
    I'm convinced this is a long term strategy the GOP has employed where they intentionally precipitate budgetary crises by ensuring there's inadequate funding to operate popular federal programs. Things like Medicare and Social Security are very popular with voters, and the public overwhelmingly wants them to continue. The GOP, however, is too chickenshit to simply eliminate entitlements while the boat is floating and hopes down the road to eliminate the entitlements while screaming 'hey, we don't want to do this but we've got a crisis here, just look at the deficit'
    despite the fact that it was entirely under their power to avoid the budgetary crisis years earlier to begin with.

    We've had nearly a half century of experience to guide us and there is ZERO evidence that 'trickle down' economics works.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    I'm convinced this is a long term strategy the GOP has employed where they intentionally precipitate budgetary crises by ensuring there's inadequate funding to operate popular federal programs. Things like Medicare and Social Security are very popular with voters, and the public overwhelmingly wants them to continue. The GOP, however, is too chickenshit to simply eliminate entitlements while the boat is floating and hopes down the road to eliminate the entitlements while screaming 'hey, we don't want to do this but we've got a crisis here, just look at the deficit'
    despite the fact that it was entirely under their power to avoid the budgetary crisis years earlier to begin with.

    We've had nearly a half century of experience to guide us and there is ZERO evidence that 'trickle down' economics works.
    I'm of the same mind. Personally, I think the tax bill is the most chicken shit thing I've seen come out of the D.C. legislature in decades. Not a single hearing. Markups in the margins mere hours before the vote. If your bill cannot withstand the bright light of a little sunshine, then it is a bad bill. Say what you will about the Affordable Care Act, but it was done in the light of day with countless amendments, several days of debate in committee, several days of debate on the Senate floor.

    We now know with clear evidence that the GOP only cares about the deficit & debt when they are not in office.

    Now you've got Trumpendejo talking about how he is looking to state & local to address infrastructure. Well asshole, you sliced & diced the state & local tax deduction, which is the means used by those entities to fund infrastructure. The limitation on that deduction in turn limits the ability of local populations to absorb necessary tax increases to fund infrastructure. And your precious false-flag tax reform? Yep... that's funding that could go toward infrastructure as well.

    This is absolutely a setup to gut medicare & medicaid, and eventually social security.

    The tax reform bill just turned the entire United States government into Kansas.

    And these bonuses you see getting doled out are nothing more than public relations. These companies all could have easily afforded them before. And bonuses are not the same as raises--people cannot count on them year over year, so they don't increase purchasing power or financial security.

    Another thing not being discussed is the potential affect on inflation.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    - Herman Göring at the Nuremburg trials (thoughts on democracy)

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman View post
    The tax reform bill just turned the entire United States government into Kansas.
    Hey! I resemble that remark! We've been screaming about look at us and what it will do nationally, but at the same time we're the state to stupid to elect a different governor because the D was caught at a strip club with a mob boss he represented when he was in his 20s. Things you can look forward to:
    1. Kansas doesn't put sh!t into KDOT. Our roads suck, we don't have many of them, and they keep getting worse.
    2. Kansas hasn't paid its share of the state retirement system over the last year or two. City, county, school, and employee all pay in, just not the state. They call it a loan that they'll pay back.
    3. We've been trying to reform school budgets for 5 years. Because the budget is all the schools fault, not the no tax on corporations thing. It's to the point that the state court keeps slapping the legislature to say it doesn't meet the state constitution so we've tried drafting laws to get rid of judges who "interfere" with the executive or legislative branch affairs. FYI, the school problem. We have 105 counties and 321 school districts with no "major" (the term is relative to us) cities beyond Wichita, Overland Park, and maybe Topeka.
    4. We've started seeing cuts to child welfare programs and other stuff.
    5. Not to mention hyper sensitive voter ID laws to the point that I had to answer that I'm not in the country illegally just to renew my driver's license.
    6. Also remember when they start talking unemployment numbers, Kansas is actually remarkably steady in that regard. We had a hiccup in the recession, but we stay fairly steady. Is it because of our taxes? No. It's because we don't have jobs. We're a farm economy stupid. Everyone is self employed.

    To the rest of the country, have fun trying to be like us.
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    You do not have the absolute right to do what you want with the Justice Dept. you fool.!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...bad/989353001/
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    My wife read something somewhere about the new tax law being potentially illegal because some statement in older tax laws and held up in court about federal tax was not able to mess with state tax. I'll have to look it up for the specifics, but I also wonder if it's just one of those side talking points that people do. You know, the kind of allegation that just doesn't go anywhere.
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    Quote Originally posted by dvdneal View post
    My wife read something somewhere about the new tax law being potentially illegal because some statement in older tax laws and held up in court about federal tax was not able to mess with state tax. I'll have to look it up for the specifics, but I also wonder if it's just one of those side talking points that people do. You know, the kind of allegation that just doesn't go anywhere.
    I believe the law that she read about dictates that the Federal Tax Code cannot impose direct changes to state and local tax codes. This bill doesn't really do that. This bill changes the amount of state and local taxes that can be deducted from your federal tax liability.

    This (the article) sounds like one of those grasping-at-straws hopes that the bill gets shot down somewhere.
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    President Trump has made 1,950 false or misleading claims over 347 days

    As of Monday, the total stood at 1,950 claims in 347 days, or an average of 5.6 claims a day.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/P...r-12466786.php
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    WTF - really?!?!?! That's his foreign policy?!!??!!?
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    Quote Originally posted by Planit View post
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    WTF - really?!?!?! That's his foreign policy?!!??!!?
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    Can i president and his WH seriously stop being a damn reality TV show. Now DJT and his bestie, Steve Banno are now feuding.
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    Quote Originally posted by Raf View post
    Can i president and his WH seriously stop being a damn reality TV show. Now DJT and his bestie, Steve Banno are now feuding.
    Trump Says Bannon Has ‘Lost His Mind’ After Bannon Insults Donald Trump Jr.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/u...mp-bannon.html

    HIGHLIGHTS -

    “Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency,” Mr. Trump said in the statement. “When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind.”

    Mr. Trump berated Mr. Bannon for the loss of a Senate seat in Alabama and said the former adviser did not represent his base but was “only in it for himself.”
    Rather than supporting the president’s agenda to “make America great again,” Mr. Bannon was “simply seeking to burn it all down,” Mr. Trump said.

    Mr. Bannon was quoted suggesting that Donald Trump Jr., the future president’s son; Jared Kushner, his son-in-law; and Paul J. Manafort, then the campaign chairman, had been “treasonous” and “unpatriotic” for meeting with Russians offering incriminating information on Hillary Clinton during a June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower.
    The makings of a Circular Firing Squad ?

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    And the tRump dumpster fire blazes brighter this afternoon. What a great start to the New Year!
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    So now the Cheetoh's own closest associates - the very people that helped put him where he is - are accusing his family of treason.
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    Trump says he’s a ‘very stable genius’ amid questions over his mental fitness


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...mental-n835191


    ... my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart...

    I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star.....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!

    Not really smart, but like really smart. What a dangerous combination of dementia and narcissism.
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    If his
    two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
    He thinks
    that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!
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