The top picture is built that way because those are all car dealerships. The land use is dictated entirely by selling and servicing vehicles.
The top picture is built that way because those are all car dealerships. The land use is dictated entirely by selling and servicing vehicles.
We hope for better things; it will arise from the ashes - Fr Gabriel Richard 1805
Yes, nec209, it's really true. No one but someone willing to do the research will know when these buildings were built or how much they are worth.
I think in terms of yap that is built in 1942 and land value is x. But rough year like 40's and 50's some one should know.Look no one builds like that any more and I say no one .Those looks are in older part of the city .
They are transition to car centric city before malls and plazas took over ( now box stores and power centers).Yes Los Angeles,Dallas and Albuquerque have alot of those looks even these look here http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6209
It is all part of the transition of car .No city planner will build that today unless they are building some thing in the down town area zoned has urban.
I just did some numbers I looked up here.
Los Angeles population
1900- 102,479 pop
1960- 2,479,015 pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles
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Albuquerque population
1900-6,238 pop
1960-201,189 pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albuquerque
Bernalillo County, New Mexico population
1900-28,630 pop
1960-262,199 pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernali...ty,_New_Mexico
Dallas population
1900-42,639 pop
1960-679,684 pop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas
Population estimates for Calgary, Canada, 1950-2015
Yes Calgary has some of those looks but Population estimates for Calgary, Canada, in 1955 186,000 pop that is nothing.
http://books.mongabay.com/population...ry-Canada.html
That is hardly any people in the old section.So those looks are limited to very small section of the older area.
Mississauga Census Population 1971 156,070 and that was in 1971 that is hardly any people and 1960 even less. In Brampton Census Population 1961 18,467 population !!! That is a joke .
Vaughan Census Population 1971 15,873 what a joke , Markham Census Population 1961 4,294 !!! That is why you do not see those looks in those suburbs only like 1 or 2 streets at the most . If those suburbs had 600,000 people by 1960 yes you will find those looks all over the place.
Hamilton and Winnipeg are older cities in Canada so look more American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Po...-1816-2006.png
I think those looks where in the 40's ,50's and may be little in the 60's .My area of the city was built in 70's and to now so has none of those look I say again none of those looks. We have a population of 200,000 people and that area of city is no more than 40 years old.
Has for the commercial strip that came after this http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6209
It is all part of the transition of car .
Note you what to find 1 story buildings like this http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6209 and commercial strip move to Hamilton ,Winnipeg .Edmonton or Vancouver what ever you do stay out of Toronto or Quebec.
I think if US owed Canada the US city planning of 1900 to 1960 would be the norm every where here.
Last edited by nec209; 03 Dec 2010 at 1:54 PM.
Ahem:Originally posted by nec209
I have reviewed many site plans like the ones you describe, even in this decade.
Not many city planners build anywhere.
Thanks for all the statistics that show some cities have had populatoin increases since 1900, even though some are not as large as you prefer.
I'll repeat the advice to read "Main Street to Miracle Mile." It will answer your questions about when taxpayer strips were built and why. Any decent college library should have it. If yours doesn't, ask them to get it via interlibrary loan.
I think he wants you to read it for him as well and give him the answers. And don't expect a please or thank you, just do it.
I probably should read it or take a urban history course of cities at college.Has it is probably way to conplex to explain all my questions here. I think for me to understand it I will need crash course in history of cities.
I tried to get that book once at are library but do not have it , I may have to go to other library or get it online.There are college here that teach urban planing and some teach urban history of cities all way back to Rome and also the relationship of urban and suburb.
I still think this was in the 40's , 50's and may be little in the 60's has we have communities here that date back no more than the late 60's and have none of that looks all we have is malls and box stores and power centers and it is very car centric .
Look at Broward County in Florida population in 1950 83,933 now in 2000 1,623,018 it has hardly any of this http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6209 or the pictures of the taxpayer block I'm posting here hardly any other than by the airport and some of the old section in Fort Lauderdale. Same has Las Vegas in Clark County and Clark County population 1950 48,289 and now Est. 2009 1,902,834 .The only places in Las Vegas that seem to be closer into that look is down- town area and north section and they the older section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clark_County,_Nevada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broward_County
Well Los Angeles has alot and lots of those looks but again Los Angeles population 1900-102,479 pop and 1960- 2,479,015 pop .
Those looks seem to be in the old section by looking at maps and dates of city it seems ti be pre- 60's or very little in the 60's.
And what Las Vegas and Broward County have is what I call a more car centric look and feel lots of box stores ,power centers and plazas every where than the classic 1 story store front and taxpayer block every where .Its is only small section in Vegas and Broward County and they seem to be a older area not like LA all over the place.
This is too funny to be authentic and has to be a sockpuppet of either ofus, ursus or Otis.
A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place — like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.
Off-topic:
I have a hard time following this thread. I am trying, and I think I probably could contribute... but honestly, it is just too hard to understand.
Carry on.
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How much is this land worth?
We couldn't possibly tell you.
But look at the pictures and tell me how much it is worth.
This land was developed in the mid 1900's.
Other land in other cities was developed in the mid 1900's. Or before. Or later.
Is this guy for real?
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Anyone want to adopt a dog?
sorry I do not understand what you are are trying to say .
Some one here was saying in other thread (I made ) that cheap land value has lower density.That makes sense has downtown Toronto there will be underground parking and people living above the stores.Why land value is much higher downtown Toronto !!
So those pictures look like cheap land value at the time of building but now the city is so big on sprawl from now that it is probably has much higher land value now.
I too have a hard time believing this poster is real and is most likely a parody character or the most tone-deaf person that has ever walked the face of the earth.
Yes you would think if he read that book he could at least confirm my claim of year and give little more info.I'm NOT asking him to spoon feed me the book or give me a crash course in history of cities. Has that just being lazy.
Wrong. Commercial property developed in metro areas in the 1960s always declines in value.
I'm concerned that we would be irresponsible and probably unethical to try to comment on the value of this parcel here. They need to do an appraisal process, research comps and evaluate the cashflow potential for entitlelable development. IMO, it is simply irresponsible to try to guess at relative value here.
Sorry what do you mean? It is commercial strip those pictures .The stores along strip .Wrong. Commercial property developed in metro areas in the 1960s always declines in value
I was looking for a reply of low ,medium or high land value when it was built and now by guessing at picture.No one here could ever give me the price with out making phone calls .I'm concerned that we would be irresponsible and probably unethical to try to comment on the value of this parcel here. They need to do an appraisal process, research comps and evaluate the cashflow potential for entitlelable development. IMO, it is simply irresponsible to try to guess at relative value here.
Pardon me for asking nec209, but do you smoke a lot of dope?
A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place — like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.
There is nothing wrong asking question about evolution of cities and history of cities .If you even stopped at looked there are courses at college that teach urban history.
There are even people that study history of architect !! It is clear here if you stop and read my past post that I have very little knowledge in urban history the built environment.
I fear that if I do not have crash cource in evolution and function of cities I'm going keep asking questions all time.
If you even check this old thread of mind
http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29437
It talks about the evolution of stores .
I think it gone some thing like this
The 1900 to 1950
1940 to 1965 ( taxpayer block)
Plazas and malls
1950 to 1990
No photo here
Box stores ,power centers
1990 to now
No photo here
Plazas have big parking lots .
1 store building like this http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/show...y.php/cat/6209 cheap land value and places where land value cost more people live above the store.
Also architect ,land value ,area ,type of land and city planner may be why you don't get those 1 story store fronts in Toronto and is must people live above store.
I'm looking for some one here that can connect the dots of the evolution stores and explain this http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...584#post561584
I know this may be little too simplified but I'm looking at citiies like Los Angeles ,Albuquerque ,Dallas so on and they have alot of 1 story store-front and flat spread out look also lots of the taxpayer block and well Toronto is realy hard to find this.
Next time please read my threads like this http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37784
And you see my question is understanding the built environment of LA and Toronto and evolution of stores .
Last edited by nec209; 05 Dec 2010 at 7:08 PM.
There are even college courses on English composition and grammar. Please take one.
I repeat: 1952, 2.8 million USD. Someone else said it was 3.0 million USD. I did not make any phone calls. Please PM me so that I may become more agitated.
Last edited by Gedunker; 06 Dec 2010 at 2:08 PM. Reason: seq. replies
Yes, folks, this is a parody character.
Perhaps created by a struggling screenwriter testing out the believability of a character for a script. Let me just say this character is not believable and I recommend against using it for anything other than a bit part of two lines or less.
And here I thought I drank too much on Sunday evenings before drunk dialing.Plazas and malls
1950 to 1990
No photo here
Box stores ,power centers
1990 to now
No photo here
No photo here.
A nuisance may be merely a right thing in the wrong place — like a pig in the parlor instead of the barnyard.
sorry what are you trying to say?
No I do not think we need to post a photo here on that.Plazas and malls
1950 to 1990
No photo here
Box stores ,power centers
1990 to now
No photo here
Yes, folks, this is a parody character.And I thought my English was bad.Can some one translate this.Perhaps created by a struggling screenwriter testing out the believability of a character for a script. Let me just say this character is not believable and I recommend against using it for anything other than a bit part of two lines or less.
Can someone, in plain English that is grammaticality correct, can tell me what the point of this thread is?
Brotip #2418 - know when it's time to switch from being "the little engine that could" to the "little engine that said, 'f*ck it'"
Lands cost more if new then when grow from older stuff. Review of picture tells story of cost for buildings and other such things. 1960's strip center costs a lot of money today for some reason. Please explain reason for understanding of market to me.
On the ground, protecting the Cyburbia Shove since 2004.
It was tax block.Lands cost more if new then when grow from older stuff. Review of picture tells story of cost for buildings and other such things. 1960's strip center costs a lot of money today for some reason. Please explain reason for understanding of market to me.
I was mirror-matching.
Someone is trying to punk'd the planners on this board.
But I like the RichmondJake 'drunk dialing' theory too. I can live with that one being true.
