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    Cake Wrecks

    http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2010/...-much-oil.html


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    Why isn't President Obama using this as an opportunity to restate the country's need to become energy independent? This should be a rallying point. But maybe he is and I'm just not hearing him. Or maybe big oil got to him too.
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    Reuters is reporting that BP is capturing 5,000 barrels of oil per day.

    Other previous news reports state that the BP capture system is collecting 1/5 or 20% of the pipe rupture. So for over 30 days 25,000 barrels of oil per day have been leaking. that's 750,000 barrels or 41.25 million gallons minimum.

    Exon Valdez spilled a total of 10.8 million gallons.

    Unless my math is off. I have a barrel pegged at 55 gallon drum size.

    Isn't there more than the 1 blowout pipe? Aren't there 3 spots its leaking and are these the figures from the main blow out site or all of them?
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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    Why isn't President Obama using this as an opportunity to restate the country's need to become energy independent? This should be a rallying point. But maybe he is and I'm just not hearing him. Or maybe big oil got to him too.
    Exactly the point made by columnist Thomas Friedman the other day. Did you see his column?

    Obama and the Oil Spill

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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    Why isn't President Obama using this as an opportunity to restate the country's need to become energy independent? This should be a rallying point. But maybe he is and I'm just not hearing him. Or maybe big oil got to him too.
    If you mean he should be pushing conservation and alternative energy sources, I agree. If you're thinking this is a reason to avoid foreign oil, it isn't foreign oil. It's US oil.
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    Hollywood and the oil spill -

    HEADLINE: Kevin Costner may hold key to oil spill cleanup
    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may...ywood-20100521

    HIGHLIGHTS:
    "The machines are essentially like big vacuum cleaners, which sit on barges and suck up oily water and spin it around at high speed," Houghtaling said. "On one side, it spits out pure oil, which can be recovered. The other side spits out 99% pure water."

    If all goes according to plan, he said, "We could have as many as 26 machines dispatched throughout the gulf. Our largest machine is 112 inches high, weighs 2 ½ tons and cleans 210,000 gallons a day of oily water. We are hoping to have 10 machines that size out there — meaning we could potentially clean 2 million gallons of oil water a day."
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    http://www.komonews.com/news/national/94694254.html

    There's a Facebook group suggesting a BP protest tomorrow in Houston, and boycotting purchases.

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    Quote Originally posted by Otis View post
    If you mean he should be pushing conservation and alternative energy sources, I agree. If you're thinking this is a reason to avoid foreign oil, it isn't foreign oil. It's US oil.
    No, all the oil goes for sale onto the world market. So oil from the gulf is the same as if it came from the North sea, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or any number of world sources. So the push is not to boycot forign oil. The push is to use sources of energy that would reduce the need for any oil forign OR domestic.

    Realistically we are stuck with oil in the near and mid-term. In the long term, we need to get away from oil. If Brazil can do it, we can do it.
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    I can't find alot of coverage of the spill any more, and I haven't seen anything about it recently on the news. Is it all cleaned up?
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    I can't find alot of coverage of the spill any more, and I haven't seen anything about it recently on the news. Is it all cleaned up?
    Yes. Nearly all the water has been expunged from the Gulf of Petroleum.
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    From my fair city's newspaper's editorial:

    The "heck of a job, Brownie" prize actually belongs to
    BP CEO Tony Hayward, who said early on that he believed the environmental impact of the rig explosion would be "minor."
    http://www.courierpress.com/news/201...-than-katrina/
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    New oil spill relative size application

    It's now about the size of the Upper Peninsula. I positioned it over the Chicago metro for comparison.

    http://www.beowulfe.com/oil/?loc=Kem...40.9355888&z=7

    This site also has a live feed webcam, and...a topic-pertinent sponsor, presented without irony.


    ETA: A look at BP's spill response plan. (Walruses in the Gulf?)
    http://www.grist.org/article/2010-05...-response-plan

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    Off-topic:
    Quote Originally posted by Veloise View post
    A look at BP's spill response plan. (Walruses in the Gulf?)
    http://www.grist.org/article/2010-05...-response-plan
    We have never seen a bad cut and paste job in a plan before have we ?

    Parts of the document read like boilerplate used by BP from region to region and underscore the company's inability to prepare for a major spill in deep water, said Rick Steiner, a former University of Alaska marine scientist who has reviewed the plan. In a section titled "Sensitive Biological & Human-Use Resources," the plan says "seals, sea otters and walruses" could be impacted by a Gulf of Mexico spill — even though no such animals live in the Gulf.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ill-gulf_N.htm
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    Well.....

    I love how it's all the gubernments problem now.....

    8 years of big oil de-regulation (R) + New (D) President + Current reports that Govt. didn't do enough = BP sipping martini's in the south of France and laughing their asses off

    Priceless

    Also: Can we change the title to include (Neverending Gulf Oil Spill Thread)
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    Quote Originally posted by The One View post
    I love how it's all the gubernments problem now.....
    There was a short entry in The National Review's "The Corner" blog about this called 'Obama's Katrina'. However, despite the article's title and the source of its publishing, it actually comes across as defensive of Obama, arguing that instead of a actually being a failure in government action, the current gulf situation is instead a painful reminder of the limitations of our own power, coupled with a sense that, due to our furtunate era (humans nowadays have the "least messy, least dangerous, least uncertain lives of any human beings in history"), we have unrealistic expectations in life and that sometimes our said limitations, especially combined with the powers of nature, can overcome our defenses we've established through science, technology, and modern government.

    Good read. Obama's Katrina - article link.

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    One of the key things to keep in mind regarding Obama's handling of the spill is that if the management of the spill response is federalized, that is if the federal government takes control of directing how the response is handled, BP could just walk away and let the feds handle it. In these major spills the feds walk a narrow line between pushing for better response and having to commit the federal resources (which are less than what BP has) to conduct and pay for the response.
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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    Why isn't President Obama using this as an opportunity to restate the country's need to become energy independent? This should be a rallying point. But maybe he is and I'm just not hearing him. Or maybe big oil got to him too.
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    Ha ha ha ha.....

    Quote Originally posted by DetroitPlanner View post
    It worked so well for Carter!
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    Why can't I shake this feeling that BP knows there's nothing they can do until they drill a relief well and all the top hats, top kills, dunk shots, and other gimmicks are designed to make it look like they are really trying to stop this disaster when there's really no hope any of them will work?

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    Quote Originally posted by Gedunker View post
    Why can't I shake this feeling that BP knows there's nothing they can do until they drill a relief well and all the top hats, top kills, dunk shots, and other gimmicks are designed to make it look like they are really trying to stop this disaster when there's really no hope any of them will work?
    It's better to keep doing something in the meantime. Something might actually work. Have you noticed how the Feds are backing slowly away from pronouncements of taking charge and moving toward making sure that someone/anyone else gets all the blame? Ken Salazar's statement that they'd push BP out of the way if they couldn't do the job was just stupidity. I'm for plugging the leak with politicians and lawyers. The only problem is that they would pollute the Gulf worse than the oil.
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    Looks like the oil is reaching the barrier islands off of Mississippi and Alabama with the coast of Florida next.
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    It's interesting how this sort of thing happens quite often but when it's in third world countries nobody cares.
    Children in the back seat can cause accidents - and vice versa.

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    East coast of florida and the rest of the east coast..... watch out.

    Projected current flows of the top 65 feet of water. What will the deeper plumes do as well?

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...tlantic-coast/
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    I was just reading somewhere that it's possible that remnants (or worse if they never stop the thing) of the oil may reach Europe.
    Children in the back seat can cause accidents - and vice versa.

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