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    Cyburbian Emeritus Bear Up North's avatar
    May 2003
    Northwestern Ohio

    The Hospitals Thread

    This past week Katie has been in and out of a local hospital, visiting (and encouraging) her sister. Katie returns each night with near-horror stories about the hospital her sister was rushed to last weekend. Her sister finally returned home on Friday but may have to go back in next week. Katie vows to get her moved to a different hospital.

    Her sister was at The University of Toledo's Medical Center, a teaching hospital. Complaints included un-responsive nurses, doctors who never show on time, and a feeling that all the tests may not be all that necessary. Katie wants to move her sis to St. Lukes Hospital, located on the suburban edge of inner-ring suburb Maumee, OH.

    My bone marrow transplant took place at The University of Michigan Hospital, a huge facility in Ann Arbor. I was there nearly a month. From my POV, the hospital did just fine in accomodating my needs, nurses were responsive (and very friendly), and wait times were not all that bad (considering the thousands of patients they deal with daily).

    Our only problem was on a Sunday when Katie found herself locked in a staircase, with an elevator that did not respond. If there would have been a fire, she would have died. Fortunately she had her cell with her and called me (in the hospital bed). I was able to alert the staff.

    Over the years, my hospital experiences have been OK. Never enough for me to say, "I'm changing hospitals!".

    First question for the brian of Cyburbia.....are most hospital problems caused by large staff reductions? Ironically, Katie's sister lost her job at Toledo Hospital a few years ago.

    What say you.....stat!


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    OH....IO Hink's avatar
    Jan 2005
    Hang on Sloopy...land
    Although I am not a part of the brian of Cyburbia... I will continue

    I have been lucky (or unlucky) enough to see both sides of the hospital world, as my grandparents have been in and out for years, and my wife is in the medical field. Hospitals are really made by the staff. I haven't found a hospital (oddly enough Bear, my grandparents live in Toledo, so I have been in Mercy and UT and since they got moved into a home in Perrysburg, St. Lukes) that really is horrible, but none that are great. I hear complaints about the food all the time, or the nurses or doctors. Not very often do you hear about the facilities. Most patients don't understand what they are getting let alone the capabilities of the hospital.

    Locally, we have two major hospital systems who are constantly fighting for patients. This had led to new hospitals being built with single patient rooms, great amenities, and easy access. Although I think the perception is one thing, and the reality is really something else, I don't think a hospital will ever be viewed by someone as a great place to visit. Even if you have a good experience, it is an emotional roller coaster, and your judgment is clouded, IMO.
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    Cyburbian DetroitPlanner's avatar
    Mar 2004
    Where the weak are killed and eaten.
    Lots of hospitals here have had staff reductions. Most notably was Beaumont.

    I was not overly impressed with the doctors at U of M though the nursing staff was great. Give me DMC or Henry Ford any day.

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    Chairman of the bored Maister's avatar
    Feb 2004
    on my 15 minute break
    I'm not sure if it's entirely on topic, but our local rag once did a restaurant review of a hospital cafeteria (and did not mow them to the ground either - then again they never mow anyone down)

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    Cyburbian imaplanner's avatar
    May 2004
    General hospitals seem to be really bad. The leading specialized hospitals seem to be awesome. My wife spent a bunch of time in some general hospitals that were not so good- and then she spent almost a month at the U of Washington Cancer center, and they were awesome.
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    Cyburbian illinoisplanner's avatar
    May 2005
    Blog entries
    From my experience, the better hospitals are usually the bigger, more well-funded ones that are often attached to a university. Out in the boondock suburbs of Chicago, there are plenty of hospital systems, and they're great for everyday injuries and whatnot, but for prolonged stays, serious life-threatening injuries or heart problems, and certain types of long-term illnesses like cancer, I would recommend one of the larger ones closer to Chicago.

    The far northwest suburbs of Chicago have Centegra hospitals in McHenry and Woodstock, Mercy Harvard Hospital, Advocate Good Shepherd Hospital in Barrington, and two hospitals in Elgin, Sherman Hospital and Provena St. Joseph Hospital. I would say the hospitals in Elgin are the best. These hospital systems are great for routine checkups and common injuries and medical procedures (the Elgin hospitals are expanding and becoming more well-known for surgeries), but the trauma and life-threatening injuries are best handled elsewhere.

    My dad had multiple myeloma and underwent a stem-cell transplant and an over a month long-stay at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in downtown Chicago (affiliated with Northwestern University). I would say that that is one of the best hospitals for treating cancer in the world. We are very lucky to have such a hospital in the area, otherwise he'd probably be dead right now. But he made a miraculous recovery and is alive and doing well today.

    Today, my dad sees specialists at more regular hospitals that are on a scale somewhere between Northwestern and the local hospitals in my neck of the woods. Hospitals like Alexian Brothers in Elk Grove Village and Northwest Community in Arlington Heights. These are more high-grade local facilities, slightly better than the Elgin ones, but still not as great as Northwestern and other trauma centers/teaching hospitals.

    Other great hospitals are Loyola University Medical Center in west suburban Maywood and Advocate Lutheran General Hospital in northwest suburban Park Ridge. Like Northwestern, both are Level I trauma centers and teaching hospitals. My uncle was air-lifted to Loyola when a routine heart test at a local hospital revealed serious problems and they saved his life there. My grandma underwent triple bypass surgery at Lutheran General and me and my brothers were all born there. All of these facilities being trauma centers, they are frequently mentioned in the media in news stories whenever there is a serious accident where people are commonly air-lifted to for better treatment.

    As for hospital cafeterias, some of them are really great. I remember Provena St. Joseph having a really good cafeteria for a local hospital, while Northwestern had an Au Bon Pain inside. That got expensive really quick though.
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    Super Moderator kjel's avatar
    Dec 2005
    Wishing I were in Asia somewhere!
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    I have had three hospital stays. When I was a teenager I contracted E.coli and had a nasty kidney infection as a result and spent 7 days in a Kaiser Permanente hospital. It wasn't too bad although I was stuck on the pediatrics ward due to policy. The nurses were generally quite good but the food sucked.

    When R.T. was born I had to deliver at Oregon Health Sciences University hospital because of a possible complication and they had a NICU unit rather than the community hospital I was supposed to deliver at. Massive hospital and short staffed but care was of good quality and I was only there 24 hours.

    My other stay was at St. Vincent's Catholic Hospital and they were fabulous for the surgery and aftercare. My ex had surgery there as well and the accommodation and care was also stellar. It was our ER of choice even though we had to pay an insurance surcharge to use it.
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    Cyburbian Emeritus Bear Up North's avatar
    May 2003
    Northwestern Ohio

    Fishkook Removal Hospital

    Set your WAYBACK MACHINE for (aprox) 1978. This Bear hooked-up one of the former boats (Sea Nymph 17-footer) and drove to Cleveland's far eastern suburbs to pick-up my brother. Along with my brother, my dad and my son were with us. We drove to a huge man-made lake in eastern Ohio.....West Branch. We were going for bass, northern pike, and muskies.

    Beautiful day with only a few smaller fishies pulled in. I was using a topwater bass bait, with a pair of treble hooks......I just knew I was going to get a big fish.

    I did. Me.

    My artificial bait became stuck in the weeds. I gave it a good yank.....and the dang thing flew back at me, aiming for my face. My reaction prevented me from being fish hook impaled in the blue eyes but one of the treble hooks went deep into my middle finger. Ouch!

    We tried to remove it but my small boat was not equiped with hospital tools. The fishing ended and we headed for a hospital. We found a small hospital in Geauga County. The Emergency Room folks tried to hide their laughter at the size of my dangling artificial bait, driven deep into my middle finger. They struggled to get the hook out without the turnback barb doing more damage. Even my brother had to hold my arm as they worked on the killer bait.

    The hospital staff was nice. But days later I got the bill....and the statement included this phrase.....

    "Difficulty to remove: $75".


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    Cyburbian WSU MUP Student's avatar
    Mar 2007
    Lowering the PCI in the Hills
    The only hospital that I was ever a patient at (besides when I was born) was the U.S. Naval Hospital at Camp Lejeune, NC. The service was free, fast, and expertly performed. (Hmmm... if the government can get it right on a military base, why can they not help out civilians like that?) I was there for nearly a week and had zero complaints.

    In the Detroit area we have a few large hospital networks (Henry Ford, DMC, Beaumont). When we were choosing a doctor and where to have our baby we picked Beaumont Hospitals because their largest facility is relatively close to our house and my wife wanted to go there because it's also where she was born. (I wanted her to pick the Henry Ford system because they have a brand new hospital near us that is supposed to have awesome food and a spa like atmosphere. But alas, I was vetoed)

    We had no major complaints about our experience at Beaumont other than two particular nurses who seemed a bit surly and/or inattentive (but still both seemed skilled at their jobs).

    The Beaumont hospital that our baby was born at is a large teaching hospital and wandering around it amazed me how busy it was at virtually any hour of the day, but particularly between the hours of 7:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. It made me think about how boring and lonely things can be at my staid office and made me start wondering what it would take to get into hospital administration or development. Oh, and I also realized that if I were single, a hospital would be a great place to meet girls... that place was overrun with them! Nurses, doctors, assistants, social workers, administrators... there must be a vast majority of employees at the hospitals who are women.
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    Nov 2009
    The Glass City

    Whatever you decide to do, do not go to St. Anne's in Toledo. I spent the better part of 2 months there and had 3 surgeries from that hospital, I will never go back.

    Issues included:
    - Being misdiagnosed TWICE
    - The surgeon missing an internal bile leak that went unchecked for 2 weeks, telling me I was simply constipated (despite having not eaten for week and having brown pee and horrific pain) and pumping me full of medication that only made the condition worse
    - Cutting a bile duct while performing surgery, requiring 2 subsequent surgeries to repair the mistake
    - Improperly fitting a surgical staple that later slipped and led to a serious health condition
    - Being left in the emergency room on an emergency oxygen supply unit unattended for an hour and half, and nurses would walk by and ignore my plea for help because the hospital had decided to admit me for emergency surgery, which meant I was technically a hospital patient at that point and no longer an emergency room patient.... not kidding. They wouldn't help me because I was a hospital patient who was in the emergency room while they prepared me a room, so "legally" they couldn't touch me, whatever that means.
    - Having a nurse transfer me from one bed to another before giving me pain medication (I almost black out from the pain) because he claimed he needed the bed for another patient
    - Gave me medication that I wasn't allowed to have before a surgery, which postponed my agony and surgery another 24 hours

    It was so bad that at one point, I had an ambulance rush me to Flower hospital, who then refused to see me because they said they had no doubt whatsoever that the surgeon from St. Anne's screwed up big time and that they couldn't legally get involved at this point in case I wanted to sue (this is an entire other rant however).

    So back in the ambulance and to St. Anne's. I feel lucky to have made it out of there alive.

    So, I repeat, do not go to St. Anne's!

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