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Poll results: Zoning violation or not?

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  • Hell yes! Throw the book at them!

    4 11.43%
  • I dunno. Lemme' check the code ...

    5 14.29%
  • Nope. These meet our accessory building requirements.

    1 2.86%
  • This is obviously Houston.

    5 14.29%
  • Why do you hate America?

    13 37.14%
  • May the mother of your camels spit in your yogurt!

    7 20.00%
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Thread: Zoning Violation or Not?: 14 December 2010:

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    Cyburbia Administrator Dan's avatar
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    Zoning Violation or Not?: 14 December 2010:

    A neighbor calls to complain about some buildings in their neighbor's backyard. You arrive in your municipal white Ford Taurus, and find this. Zoning violation or not?







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    Cyburbian Richmond Jake's avatar
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    It all depends, doesn't it? Zone district. Development criteria. List of allowed uses. List of conditional uses.
    Sorry to get so technical on you.
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    Haha that's awesome! But in all seriousness, the main violation that jumps out at me is the vehicles that aren't parked on a hard surface. Of course, I would be afraid that the Alan Alda impersonator that is the resident of this home would come to my counter and yell at me.

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    I see more than one accessory building, possibly violating setbacks and lot coverage requirements. Possibly in the front yard. Illegal signs. Maybe an illegal home occupation. Maybe the militia, ya never know

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    Definitely too many accessory structures (did they get permits for those things?). How about that sign? I'll have to check.

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    That is simply awesome!!!
    No I don't see any violations.
    They are tents. I don't have regulations against tents. As for the two antique vehicle. I have no problem there.
    I would have to check on the out house. If it was not actually usable I would maybe make them get a permit for a shed.
    The outhouse would be my only question.

    We live in a very rural setting. Most of that would not be an issue. We would probably encourage them to actually do something public with it if possible.

    I am sure others will be more restrictive. I see an awesome opportunity.

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    Looks like a federal installation, I don't think that local zoning or building codes apply.
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    Since we can't regulate taste, I guess I only see the car, signage and probably lot coverage. They have too many flag poles as well.
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    is there a electrical permit ?
    are the vehicles licensed ?
    are tents temporary portable structures ?

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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    Looks like a federal installation, I don't think that local zoning or building codes apply.
    Best answer so far!


    I see no foundations or footings on those tents so I don't think they would qualify as accessory buildings.

    The vehicles are specifically designed off road vehicles so they may be able to be parked off of a hard surface but are they both registered? Of course, they would qualify under historic vehicles because of their age and condition so that may not be an issue either.

    However, the biggest problem in my mind is that they didn't submit the paperwork for their awesomeness permit.


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    I'll have to go with ofos...the Feds preempt local jurisdiction.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Zoning

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    Quote Originally posted by Queen B View post
    That is simply awesome!!!
    No I don't see any violations.
    They are tents. I don't have regulations against tents. As for the two antique vehicle. I have no problem there.
    I would have to check on the out house. If it was not actually usable I would maybe make them get a permit for a shed.
    The outhouse would be my only question.

    We live in a very rural setting. Most of that would not be an issue. We would probably encourage them to actually do something public with it if possible.

    I am sure others will be more restrictive. I see an awesome opportunity.
    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    Looks like a federal installation, I don't think that local zoning or building codes apply.
    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    Best answer so far!


    I see no foundations or footings on those tents so I don't think they would qualify as accessory buildings.

    The vehicles are specifically designed off road vehicles so they may be able to be parked off of a hard surface but are they both registered? Of course, they would qualify under historic vehicles because of their age and condition so that may not be an issue either.

    However, the biggest problem in my mind is that they didn't submit the paperwork for their awesomeness permit.


    I voted for the, "Why do you hate America?" option as it is finally appropriately placed in one of the polls.
    Great replies! I voted for "Why do you hate America?", too. This is the kind of quirkiness that Americans are noted for.

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    First, is the outhouse working or not? If so, we would definitely need a sign off from the BOH. I work in a rural county that is rapidly suburbanizing. Depending on whether is was open to the public or not, I would require CU.
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    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    However, the biggest problem in my mind is that they didn't submit the paperwork for their awesomeness permit.
    Don't you mean the "All My Neighbors Will Think I'm a Stupid Douche" permit.

    I say violations all around. I'll stretch the interpretation of my ordinance simply to nail this SOB. I'm serious.
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    Where do i start with this one?

    First, the red tag from building because there is no toilet area, nor running water, and a hose does not count. The following would be written on said red tag:

    Parking in the lawn, that's a paddlin'

    Large signage not attached to a Home Occupancy nor within size limits, that's a paddlin'

    Unpermitted habitable structures, that's a paddlin'

    Setback violation for the "storage/potential outhouse", that's a paddlin'

    Overhead electrical improperly grounded, that's a paddlin'

    Lack of permits or payment of Development Impact Fees, that's a paddlin'

    wait a minute... was this a scene strait out of "After M*A*S*H"?
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    Having worked in Houston, I can safely vote for this option!

    Tents are not accessory structures.

    Museum-quality antique cars can be parked in the rear. Registration? A good idea.

    Running water & electricity not required - these are not habitable structures.

    Basically, it's a back-yard museum. He should charge admission!
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    - Do the neighbors care?
    - No.
    - Carry on...I didn't see anything.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

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    Well......

    Obviously it depends on how "advanced" your codes have become. If it is purely for personal enjoyment and that outhouse isn't for real, no problem. If I put a tent up in my backyard for the kids to camp out in, who the hell cares. If they charge admission and give tours, then they are in violation of the home occupation/business regulations and will need a CUP or temporary use.

    Carry on.....there is nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally posted by mendelman View post
    - Do the neighbors care?
    - No.
    - Carry on...I didn't see anything.
    'Nuff said.
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    As much as I'd prefer to see it mendelman's way, my code says any accessory structure or use must be commonly associated with the principal use. Sorry, a backyard M*A*S*H tv-set recreation is not a common accessory to a residential use.

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    This is a perfect example of the "Why Do You Hate America?" poll option coming in handy.
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    Citation for failure to complete site plan as approved with 25' guard tower and barbed wire fence.

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