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    Obama releases long-form birth certificate

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im...-long-form.pdf

    Does this mean the birthers will go away?

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/im...-long-form.pdf

    Does this mean the birthers will go away?
    No. They've all started saying crap like "It took them three years to create a fake one with an appropriate range serial number", etc., or start complaining about something else, usually bringing up the "Why did it take three years?" questions, despite the fact that Obama released a certificate in 2008 that met all the legal requirements to establish his place of birth and, subsequently, his citizenship. This "long form" is just that - a longer form of what he released in 2008 - both of which the State of Hawaii has said establish, legally, his location and date of birth.

    This whole Obama birth certificate "issue" is merely a red herring for all involved - "birthers", Trump, and now the White House, too, with their catering to the ingrates. Now if everyone can kindly move on with their lives and to other things that are actually important and relevant...

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Does this mean the birthers will go away?
    And that Donald Trump will shut up? We can hope...
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    Nope - yet another politicaly charged diversion will creep out and clog the airways.
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    Quote Originally posted by TexanOkie View post
    No. They've all started saying crap like "It took them three years to create a fake one with an appropriate range serial number", etc., or start complaining about something else, usually bringing up the "Why did it take three years?" questions, despite the fact that Obama released a certificate in 2008 that met all the legal requirements to establish his place of birth and, subsequently, his citizenship. This "long form" is just that - a longer form of what he released in 2008 - both of which the State of Hawaii has said establish, legally, his location and date of birth.

    This whole Obama birth certificate "issue" is merely a red herring for all involved - "birthers", Trump, and now the White House, too, with their catering to the ingrates. Now if everyone can kindly move on with their lives and to other things that are actually important and relevant...
    Texan,
    while I don't always agree with you on political issues, I find that I do agree with your viewpoint on the birthers and their crap. Since I was born in Hawaii, my parents are very familiar with this issue, and find the unbelievers, frankly, unbelievable. If the guy has been declared legal by the state of his birth, at some point got a passport, and proved his citizenship in order to even run for President, why will the birthers not drop this issue and move on?
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    Trump should, in the spirit of full disclosure, finally release the intricate system of his combover/comb forward/DQ icecream twist that has been confounding people for the last twenty years or so.
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    Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that went away? They just morph slightly and keep on going. It was a lot harder before Al Gore invented the www.
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    Getting in touch with my inner birther...

    This doesnt prove anything! It brings up more questions! It says his father is African!!! It proves he isn't a "natural born citizen"! Why did it take so long to release?? Why is he releasing this instead of focusing on solvng he country's problems!! He should be releasing a jobs plan not a birth certificate!! What is he hiding???!!! This proves he is awful!!!!!!!
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    For a brief spell during my misspent internets youth, I debated with holocaust deniers. There was absolutely nothing they saw or heard that they couldn't just brush off as fake/a Zioni$t lie/etc. The birther thing, like 9/11 was an inside job and the moon landings were faked, is that sort of conspiracy. Some people really are that stupid.

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    Quote Originally posted by ofos View post
    Has there ever been a conspiracy theory that went away? They just morph slightly and keep on going. It was a lot harder before Al Gore invented the www.
    I remember reading once that doomsday cults exhibit a similar dynamic. Even after "end of the world" predictions don't come to pass, believers will accept any explanation that doesn't negate their views. They are so invested, to admit it was all a farce or a misguided belief is tantamount to an existential crisis.

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    Hilarious comments

    On FB one of my friends, a professional clown, hadn't heard. She's responding to the "carnival barker" line in a way she'll regret.

    A fun summary of local comments.

    More entertainment: the correspondence


    ETA: this just in from another clueless FBer:
    "I looked over the certificate and I was surprised to find that the doctor did not know whether or not he was an MD. it is scratched over and goes through the word OTHER. Is it blocking out that Ann was not the biological parent? I am not a birther. I think the repubs should come up with a better fight then ancestry as their best pot shot but it should not go without question."

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    I found that issue to be a curiosity when Hillary Clinton brought it up during the primary season back in 2008, but found it to be totally silly shortly thereafter. OTOH, I was then (and still very much am now) much more concerned about the content of his character and how he is and will be handling the very real issues of the day (ie, the out-of-control deficit, our collapsing currency, high energy prices and our not allowing the development of our own *VAST* proven reserves, ongoing foreign affairs FUBARs, etc).

    Mike

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    [birther] He might have some dang 'ol birth certificate, but that ain't don't mean he's a real 'merricun. Also, I ain't gonna' trust nothing that the gub'mint issued. *spit* [/birther]
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    What I find most disturbing about all this 'birther' nonsense is that it appears nearly half of self-described republicans buy into it. We're not talking about just a few gap-toothed, home schoolers holed up in a compound in Wyoming here.

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    We're not talking about just a few gap-toothed, home schoolers holed up in a compound in Wyoming here.
    Agree, but to be fair the Wyoming Militia of Constitutional Defenders has an excellent dental plan

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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    What I find most disturbing about all this 'birther' nonsense is that it appears nearly half of self-described republicans buy into it. We're not talking about just a few gap-toothed, home schoolers holed up in a compound in Wyoming here.
    Some non-scientific polls on various websites are indicating that the majority of republicans are still not buying that he is a citizen even after this release.

    I am having a very entertaining time reading various right-wing sites and commentors on this issue today.

    Truthfully- it seems as though nearly half of self-described republicans have completely lost their minds.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    Some non-scientific polls on various websites are indicating that the majority of republicans are still not buying that he is a citizen even after this release.

    I am having a very entertaining time reading various right-wing sites and commentors on this issue today.

    Truthfully- it seems as though nearly half of self-described republicans have completely lost their minds.
    Don't those polls have to be wrong? How can that still be a serious question for so many people?!? I don't even hear it seriously discussed in Utah, for pete's sake, and everyone (almost literally) is Republican. Jeez.
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    Quote Originally posted by ursus View post
    Don't those polls have to be wrong? How can that still be a serious question for so many people?!? I don't even hear it seriously discussed in Utah, for pete's sake, and everyone (almost literally) is Republican. Jeez.
    I would hope so. It could be that on various websites morons are more overrepresented than the general public. In fact I would say that must be true.

    It will be interesting to see some scientific polls in a few days or so. Like some otehrs have mentioned- true conspiracy theories never go away.
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    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    not allowing the development of our own *VAST* proven reserves, ongoing foreign affairs FUBARs, etc).

    Mike
    You mean the ones that will go straight to the world market and we won't see a drop of oil

    On-going foreign affairs-he's sleeping with women from other countries, not good old American girls.

    The birther nonsense was just a distraction meant to rile up the true believers. The media ran with it because people would watch that junk, which translated into ratings, which translated into money. They have more smoke and mirrors waiting.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    I would hope so. It could be that on various websites morons are more overrepresented than the general public. In fact I would say that must be true.
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    this probably won't make me popular, but I've long viewed birthers with the following mathmatical formula:

    birthers = bigots

    Mainly because every birther I've encountered has mentioned:
    OMG he's a Muslim (most common)
    OMG he hates white people
    OMG he's black

    It is probably an unfair characterization, but it has been my experience around these parts locally (haven't seen this in any Cyburbians, but I don't think we have any that I immediately recall).

    Birthers frustrate me because they ruin political discourse with these red herrings. I've got no problem if someone doesn't like Obama--he's done (or hasn't done, as the case may be) some stuff that has pissed me off. He's done plenty of things that conservatives can target easily for meaningful criticism. I would welcome their debate and criticism of these things. But debating his citizenship, which he has more than adequately proven? That is a debate that angers me.

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    Quote Originally posted by mgk920 View post
    I high energy prices and our not allowing the development of our own *VAST* proven reserves, ongoing foreign affairs FUBARs, etc).

    Mike
    The US has 3% of the worlds proven oil reserves but we produce 10% of the worlds oil. I would say thats not bad
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    The Onion's take on the whole situation can be found here.

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    Quote Originally posted by dandy_warhol View post
    The Onion's take on the whole situation can be found here.
    That one may go down in the annals of Onion history as one of their truly great headlines.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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    The more soundbites I hear from Trump, the more convinced I am that he has a black soul. I think I may dislike him more than some of the Tea Party politcians.
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