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    Comp plans under attack

    In GA conservatives are trying to get rid of statewide requirements for local comp planning, claiming the state is "burdening" localities.

    In plainest terms it looks like a yearning to return to good-ole-boy local power playing.



    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-poli...ve-847869.html

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    I expect Wisconsin's 11-year old planning statute to be repealed as well. If it is not in the "budget" then it will be coming before long.
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    The new Kansas governor appointed a group to identitfy unneccessary and burdonsome statutes. While the legislature is passing statewide land use controls on titty bars. We are moving into a very strange era.

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    In times of resource scarcity, such things are to be expected.

    But to my mind, what is happening is detailed in Frank's The Wrecking Crew. We see this throughout history - we are watching it repeat.

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    Well.....

    We are in the middle of a successful movement here in Arizona to essentially get rid of major amendments to the general plans by making the area requirements so great that everyone now qualifies for minor amendments that can be done with much less public involvement and at any time, not just once a year.

    The economic development pressure around here is almost as frightening as the no clothing rule for RJ's hot tub
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    In our economically blighted corner of a mostly go-slow state there was hardly ever any more hope than becoming a lower taxed bedroom community for a neighboring metro center. What was proposed for commercial development was never grand enough in scale to meet the area comp plan's goals of avoiding piecemeal strip retail, ergo, strips is all we've gotten.

    Our area has a lot of little brick towns that once sprouted up along railroads as gathering points for shipping cotton. Our county once had eleven cotton gins. The railroads stopped serving the little towns when the automobile took over transport of people, and now not one train ever even slows down through any town. The little towns would like to 'revitalize" their centers, but those centers by and large are bypassed by highway traffic.

    State comp plan requirements are kept in place by strings of compliance attached to any kind of grants or assistance from state level. Now that the state, like so many today, says it is going broke, the teeth are losing their sharpness, and the dog its bark.

    Cotton growing and intensive chemical fertilizing damaged area soils so that now nothing but pine trees and hay will grow. Textiles and apparel once employed a lot of people, but now those jobs are scarce.

    Before long we will be living on poke salad and squirrels.
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    Here in Massachusetts, we are working to create more state oversight on planning and reduce local controls in an effort to promote smart growth. There is a thought that given the recession, this is a good time to begin another push for this.

    Then again, we have universal health care here.

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    Jeeeeezzz

    Quote Originally posted by Gotta Speakup View post
    Here in Massachusetts, we are working to create more state oversight on planning and reduce local controls in an effort to promote smart growth. There is a thought that given the recession, this is a good time to begin another push for this.

    Then again, we have universal health care here.
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    Quote Originally posted by The One View post
    Mods, please move this post to the One Uppers thread......thanks.
    My apologies. But really, we are in the middle of a new zoning reform push that aims to curb sprawl.

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    A draft bill we've seen begins...

    The legislature finds that growth management has matured to the point that state oversight is not longer desired....
    Or language similar. I can post more accurate material tomorrow. Needless to say, Gov. Scott is proposing huge changes in Florida's land use process.

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    Good for ya'll, gotta.

    Down here the local commissioners' idea of planning is setting the next meeting's agenda.

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    Quote Originally posted by fringe View post
    Good for ya'll, gotta.

    Down here the local commissioners' idea of planning is setting the next meeting's agenda.
    Post of the week!!
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    Fringe,

    I read a similar article yesterday in the AJC Business Chronicle and share similar concerns. I understand this proposed legislation has lost some steam and support since first introduced. I'm not real pleased with our state level planning and oversight that currently exists but what we have is better than none.

    It will be interesting to see what comes of it. There is a state rep from Cobb County that has proposed an amendment to completely do away with counties and municipalities having zoning and land use authority. Of course he is the same guy that has proposed to allowing 12 year olds to get drivers licenses and change the verbiage of rape victim to rape accuser until guilt is found by the courts. We got some real winners under the "Gold Dome."

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    I think the equivalent of a Comp plan in BC is the Official Community Plan, which shows no sign of being weakened... residents cling pretty tightly to their OCP when it comes to public hearing time for development applications. The gov't has recently added new powers incl. energy and water conservation Development Permit areas and some other neat tricks that people are only beginning to use.

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    Quote Originally posted by Gotta Speakup View post
    Here in Massachusetts, we are working to create more state oversight on planning and reduce local controls in an effort to promote smart growth. There is a thought that given the recession, this is a good time to begin another push for this.

    Then again, we have universal health care here.
    Tight state oversight on planning is not without its flaws, some of them big. VT has Act 250 which has its benefits- smaller communities (in VT that doesn't' mean less than 25,000 people, it means less than 2000) who don't have professional planning staff now have some guaranteed oversight of certain projects. But it leaves a one-size-fits-all mold for development, which is unrealistic. You can't apply the same standards to a town of 500 with no downtown that you would with a more urban community of 40,000.

    It also creates another level of cost. I've heard from many developers that even the simplest and smallest projects have minimum state permitting fees in six figures. MAYBE, and thats a big maybe, you reach some level of smart growth, but do you lose another vital piece of affordability in the process?

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    Quote Originally posted by ThePinkPlanner View post
    but do you lose another vital piece of affordability in the process?
    Another way of looking at it is: are you reducing the externalities of development?

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    Quote Originally posted by Gotta Speakup View post
    Here in Massachusetts, we are working to create more state oversight on planning and reduce local controls in an effort to promote smart growth. There is a thought that given the recession, this is a good time to begin another push for this.
    So more shoving projects down communities' throats like the affordable housing rules?

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    I'm going to an information session on the new proposal the last week of March. It will be interesting to see what the ideas are.

    The referendum to get rid of our affordable housing law lost big in November. Perhaps that's why everyone is oprimistic about these new zoning push?

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    One size fits all can be like a stocking hat instead of a wooden boot.

    The comp plan models in this state are like cartoons drawn with very crude and broad brush strokes. They simply try to get localities to consider their neighbors, to avoid sprawl, to at least think about mass transit.

    My limited experience with local governing bodies (in GA there are 159 counties, and I do not know how many incorporated towns/cities) is that there is often a skills deficit among local staff, so that plan development has to be hired out by state level offices where the literacy and educational level is sufficient. Many of the locals can't even read the plans they are provided with.

    Did I mention GA's high school grad rate that hovers at 60-65 percent, which is expected to plummet by fifteen + points when federal rules force a change in grad rate formula?

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    Wisconsin's governor announced that he will kill agricultural preservation programs, some of which have been in place since 1970. The program was expanded under the last governor. It will be gone now. I am just waiting for the announcement about repealing the 2000 Smart Growth Law mandating comprehensive plans. It does not stand a chance. Surprisingly, not much discussion about that at the WI APA conference last week.
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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal View post
    Wisconsin's governor announced that he will kill agricultural preservation programs, some of which have been in place since 1970. The program was expanded under the last governor. It will be gone now. I am just waiting for the announcement about repealing the 2000 Smart Growth Law mandating comprehensive plans. It does not stand a chance. Surprisingly, not much discussion about that at the WI APA conference last week.
    The Wrecking Crew is in full disaster capitalism mode.

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    ....what Naomi Klein said.

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    Update.

    The state law subject of the OP, while passed by the state legislature, was vetoed by Ga's Republican guv.

    No explanation was offered. The sponsor, a local freshman senator, also was not given any reason.

    He aimed to discuss it with the honorable, but did not indicate whether he had an appointment to do so.

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