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Gay index: 83
Gay male index: 82
Lesbian index: 84
Carrboro, NC is about as crunchy as crunchy gets, is a town within Chapel Hill. I once went to a presentation that had a Carrboro alderman giving a presentation on growing local food, bee keeping, etc. Asheville has its crunchy parts too...but its bigger and has a large half-back population. I'd really say its Durham around here...doesn't give a breakdown, but over all is 152?
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Gay index: 75
Gay male index: 52
Lesbian index: 98
There are two really false images of New York State among a great many Americans. The first is that the state is just one large city from NYC to Buffalo. The second is that it is a socially progressive state. The NYC metro is socially liberal, but Upstate, especially outside of the cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Albany and Syracuse, is much more like the rural Midwest or Appalachia in its social attitudes than it is like the East Coast.
Dan's Ithaca is an island of progressivism in the social backwater that's the Southern Tier (aka Pennsyltucky).
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'No thanks'." - Henry Rollins
and FTW and the new car and all-expense paid trip to Vegas...
"What attracts lesbians to a city or town?"
thank you very much, I'll be playing at Mohegan Sun all week.
Really?! You forgot the image that many NYC-centric folks have: everything "upstate" is just one big rural area in the middle of nowhere. One of my favorite stories from college is when one of my roommates, a lifelong resident of Queens, was interviewing me for a sociology assignment. At the time, my home base was Albany (the City of). Jotting down the basic profile of her interview participant, my roommate offhandedly asked, "You live in a rural area, right?"
Maybe Albany isn't exactly a big city compared to the Big Apple, but it IS a city!
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Interesting question. What is really needed is an 'Ask a Lesbian' forum.
Back in the 1980s, lesbians started moving out of the Fenway district of Boston - on the edge of the downtown district - and into residential Jamaica Plain. At the time, for the rent they were paying for crappy walk-ups, they could buy a house or condo on a leafy, flower-lined street. Jamaica Plain is now known as a LGBT-friendly district, but I suspect it's still weighted towards the L.
Btw, I'm from Ho Chi Minh city, Vietnam. And I think here is a good place for both gay and lesbian for one reason:
A good place to live - HCM city is a multi-culture city so gay or les is not really something too terrible. Moreover, the economy of the city make it a good place to live not only to gay/les but to all people. Another explanation is that the city locates in the south of the country, so the weather make the citizens here more relaxing and easy-going than in the north and the middle.
There are many gay bars and clubs. But i dont know much about lesbian places. I just saw them a lot in daily life, especially now in places for teenage.
My fair town doesn't have a listing for the Gay Index on epodunk. The only neighboring city that does is New Brunswick which is home to Rutgers;
Gay index: 140
Gay male index: 158
Lesbian index: 121
Other locations I have lived in...
Gay index: 239
Gay male index: 209
Lesbian index: 270
No surprises here as it's a pretty tolerant place and I am glad I had the opportunity to grow up there.
Greenville, South Carolina
Gay index: 94
Gay male index: 115
Lesbian index: 72
Slightly better than I thought but it tends to have the greatest socio-economic diversity in the Upstate region.
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My city was probably a bit too small to get gay indexed, but it is near Austin and exhibits many of the same traits as Austin.
Gay index: 169
Gay male index: 172
Lesbian index: 166
I think the attraction is similar to what attracts any knowledge/creative worker to a city--lots of stuff to do, recreational opportunities, cultural arts, creative/academic jobs, etc.
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
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Still can't find the gay index on epodunk, but I don't need it to say that Northampton, Ma. is the ultimate Lesbian community. Whatever they have done to attract lesbians is working. Of course, Northampton is such an awesome, livable, one-of-a-kind small city that it attracts all sorts of people
I'd be curious to see if/how demographics have changed with changes in state legislation regarding civil unions and same-sex marriage. I wonder if that is enough to attract couples to move? Or maybe its more of a chicken-egg thing: those states have already established a more tolerant position because the same sex couples are already there?
I think at least where I live, its very difficult to assess the prevalence of same-sex couples. If you see two women in a restaurant or the movies, how do you know if they are simply friends or are in a committed relationship?
My metro area was listed already in this thread as having a high "gay index." But honestly, I can't say I ever really saw any outward signs of this until I started frequenting the fertility clinic and saw so many female couples trying to grow their family.
Chicago's gay index is 157, with 186 for gay males, and 128 for lesbians. Chicago is pretty much the opposite of DeKalb, since the gay male index is much higher than the lesbian index.
Evanston actually has a higher overall gay index, at 159, but with a more balanced gay/lesbian mix, with the gay male index at 156 and the lesbian index at 161.
And west suburban Oak Park has them both beat. Oak Park's gay index is 196, with a gay male index of 203 and a lesbian index of 189.
In the suburbs, the only other cities I found that had gay indexes over 100 were Cicero (130), Elgin (109), Waukegan (106) and Berwyn (105), and they had fairly balanced gay male/lesbian index scores. Berwyn's lesbian index was only 95, so I wouldn't count that. And Cicero is a cesspool of corruption. Aurora, at 98, was just shy of the 100 mark.
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Once DOMA is overturned, all states will be required to recognize a same sex union that is performed in another state, just like they are required to honor an opposite sex marriage, and the federal government will be forced to stop denying benefits to same sex couples. So, after DOMA falls, you will probably see a lot less migration within the US from couples trying to find shelter from discriminatory policies. It. Is. All. About. Federal. Legislation. Though, I do support and encourage all state-level equality policies.
The economic development benefit of SSM hasn't been mentioned much, but I see it as helping to keep young gay men and lesbians in the state, where they might have left in the past. Why move to North Carolina like all of your heterosexual peers if you're only going to be considered a second-class citizen upon arrival? When I worked in the Cleveland area, after the Ohio constitution was amended to ban SSM, one of my interns, a young gay man, left the state almost immediately after he graduated. He cited the amendment as one reason for leaving. If Ohio had SSM, or even didn't have such a hostile constitutional amendment prohibiting it, he might have stayed.
Also, I'm using SSM as an argument to promote traditional neighborhood development. With the area having such a large GLBT population, and same sex couples still less likely to have children than opposite sex couples, they're part of a growing market for smaller houses in a more urban setting.
Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey
That's why NYS legalizing SSM is such a milestone: the new law will create a much larger pool of people to complain about unfair treatment by the feds and some other states.
Linda_D nailed it. Back in the 1970s the U.S. went through an extremely similar process with interracial marriage. Some states "progressively" legalized it while the usual suspects dragged their feet through the mud, screamed, and yelled about how their rights were being infringed upon and how it was against their religion to marry interracial couples. Once the federal government prohibits an act of discrimination, no state constitution can deny those rights.
DOMA is already facing the firing squad and has received a few hefty blows. Once it is revoked, there isn't a state in the U.S. that can deny an SSM that was performed in another state. However, simply revoking DOMA does not mean that states who have constitutional amendments to discriminate against LGBT couples are forced to perform SSMs. We need new legislation to deal with that.
Dan, your research sounds a lot like work I did for my master's thesis. I really need to find my books. Let me know if you are missing any crucial data and I will see if I can hunt something down for you.
TerraSapient- what did your Master's thesis focus on? I love demographics and trying to understand why people move. My own Master's thesis was concentrated on young people, and what attracts them from place to place (or doesn't, as the case turned out). I struggled a bit with quantifying what I eventually called a diversity factor- race, gender, sexual preference, and even age to some degree. Its been a few years, but I recall that this diversity factor was actually one of the few that actually did have statistical significance in the movement of younger people (defined as <35 in my study).
While same-sex couples may move in order to live in a place which grants them their legal rights, are other people also drawn to those states/communities? While I am not pursuing same sex marriage for myself, would I still be comfortable living in a place where tolerance (legislative and otherwise) is low or non-existent?
Wasn't sure where to post this... I guess this thread is appropriate.
Interesting piece from the NY Times about communities* with the highest rate of same-sex couples based on Census data. I've lived in one of these places.
I don't see Ithaca on there.
* The title reads "cities," but not all of the listed places are cities - some are towns or villages.
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