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    APA National Conference - GET REAL

    I am joining thousands of other planners in wondering if the APA National Conference has jumped the shark. It is insanely expensive and the program is totally confusing. I don't have an issue with it being in LA but good luck getting around without renting a car - - - more expense. I need the CM's but can get them in a number of other places. I am seriously considering going to the Smart Growth Conference in San Diego instead - - - at roughly half the cost.

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    I've acquired the majority of my CM's from the Florida chapter conferences. Less expensive and more relevant. I'm unlikely to ever attend another national conference.

    Off-topic:
    I think APA's Daily Planning News page is rather odd. Duplicate links to the same news stories and links to stories unrelated to planning news. What's up with that?

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    Most cities and counties where I personally know some of the planners have stopped paying for attendance. with all the cutbacks in government budgets I'm surprised there is still a market for it. The last one I went to was years ago but it wasn't very fruitful. Is it possible to jump the shark when there never was a shark?

    My recent experiences with the APA has led me to suspect they have outsourced much of their admin staff to India. IMO the APA is a terribly run organization that is no longer very helpful to the profession.
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    Yah, maybe APA as a whole has jumped. Don't get me wrong I love my fellow state board members; we do good, relevant work serving our fellow members but it is national and its mission (if it has one) that has me miffed.

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    Quote Originally posted by TOFB View post
    Yah, maybe APA as a whole has jumped. Don't get me wrong I love my fellow state board members; we do good, relevant work serving our fellow members but it is national and its mission (if it has one) that has me miffed.
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    Quote Originally posted by TOFB View post
    Don't get me wrong I love my fellow state board members; we do good, relevant work serving our fellow members but it is national and its mission (if it has one) that has me miffed.
    You aren't the only state board having misgivings about APA National. There is significant need for real, meaningful change at the top of APA National--the board of directors, executive administration, everything. I feel like the organization has become inbred and needs new blood.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman View post
    You aren't the only state board having misgivings about APA National. There is significant need for real, meaningful change at the top of APA National--the board of directors, executive administration, everything. I feel like the organization has become inbred and needs new blood.
    Amen. APA and AICP could stand to go through the same sort of cost-cutting that most of our members have experienced in their work. There are many inefficiencies, bloated salaries, and uneccessary programs. The problem I see is that the typical planner cannot afford membership and their employer does not pay, either because they are at too low a level within the organization (the director may get the perk but they do not) or the organization is so small that it does not have the budget for $300-ish for APA, $200-ish for AICP, and $2000 for an annual conference.

    OK, I have said this before. Rant over.
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    I went to the Minneapolis conference and I thought it to be very informative. I would not have gone if I didn't have a poster session or got the student cheapo rate. Unless there is a national conference in my region I most likely will not be attending any time in the near future. As I really don't require AICP for my job there's no point in paying the ransom for it plus the CM requirements. The local chapter puts on a good two day conference that's very relevant to NJ and my organization is a charter member of NeighborWorks so I have a huge array of classes and regional training institutes that I can attend with all travel costs included for $400.
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    I've been pricing it out and I'm not sure. I have my staff to think about and conferences they need to go to, so it comes down to money. I enjoyed Vegas, Minneapolis and NOLA. 2013 is Chicago and I am defintely going to that one. Since I serve on the Board for the state chapter, I have to-and want to- attend our state conferences, so I have to figure in that in as well.
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    Not going - cost.
    Have been to only 4 national conferences since 1989.

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    Depending on what happens, I hope to go to the 2013 conference in Chicago. It would be my first. It seems like a no-brainer since I live in the Chicago metropolitan area, but if it was in Chicago in 2012 instead, I probably wouldn't go because my financial situation is that bad right now, where I wouldn't be able to afford the conference itself, even despite not having to pay travel/lodging costs. I hope to be in much better shape by 2013...and maybe will actually be a planner, rather than in an allied field.

    I enjoy traveling, but even if I was well-off, I can't justify the costs of attending the national conference every year.
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    Not going - cost.
    Have been to only 4 national conferences since 1989.

    brochure is in the recycling pile already.
    Ha, JNA. I worked in one jurisdiction for 8 yrs that never sent anyone to National or state; then 7 yrs for one where the director just took her best two buddies to National every year. Every damn year. State, we had to buy one "badge" when it was local, and "share" it among multiple planners. At least you got to go to 4. I got to tag along with RJ in San Antonio, not as a paid attendee, of course, but as an unscheduled occupant in his room.

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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    Not going - cost.
    Have been to only 4 national conferences since 1989................
    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    ........ I got to tag along with RJ in San Antonio, not as a paid attendee, of course, but as an unscheduled occupant in his room.
    But a couple of great Laefeasts at each location. Well, one with each of you.
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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    Ha, JNA. I worked in one jurisdiction for 8 yrs that never sent anyone to National or state; then 7 yrs for one where the director just took her best two buddies to National every year. Every damn year. State, we had to buy one "badge" when it was local, and "share" it among multiple planners. At least you got to go to 4. I got to tag along with RJ in San Antonio, not as a paid attendee, of course, but as an unscheduled occupant in his room.
    Well one I worked as a student & living there already, 2 of them I stayed with family and friend, and only 1 did I pay for a hotel.
    3 Registrations and travel were out of my own pocket, I got to go on the clock though.
    Only 1 since CM became required.
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    Well one I worked as a student & living there already, 2 of them I stayed with family and friend, and only 1 did I pay for a hotel.
    3 Registrations and travel were out of my own pocket, I got to go on the clock though.
    Only 1 since CM became required.
    I guess I "assumed"; y'know, you said you'd been to 4 so I assumed an employer had paid for it. Being from FL, chances I could stay with family for Nat APA are nil.

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    Those that attended the Philly Laefest - remember I was cheap - I only drank water.
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    Quote Originally posted by JNA View post
    Those that attended the Philly Laefest - remember I was cheap - I only drank water.
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    I am going. Although I am pretty disappointed about the organization of the events and the setup...

    Anyone else going? Or is it just going to be me?
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    Not a chance on going. I get questioned about going to state conference, but get to go for CMs.

    For grins & giggles I just priced the conference and included a couple moble workshops and a training session - grant total was $1600 (without airfare, hotel or meals).



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    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    Anyone else going? Or is it just going to be me?
    Not a chance in hell I'll be going.

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    APA Conference - 3 1/2 days - priced out at about $2200

    Smart Growth Conference in San Diego - 3 days - $1321

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    Quote Originally posted by TOFB View post
    APA Conference - 3 1/2 days - priced out at about $2200

    Smart Growth Conference in San Diego - 3 days - $1321
    MUCH easier to get around in San Diego, so factor that in as well.

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    Guess the APA forgot the PacNW exisits...
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    There will be no way that I am going to attend APA-LA. I just paid my dues for the first time as an independent business owner and was floored. My wife who helps to save peoples lives as an heart center operating room nurse only paid 1/4 of that to maintain her licence.

    Our local chapter does great things but I sometimes question the abilities of the national chapter.

    Does the value of the national conference justify the cost?
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    Definitely not going-but looking at the program---anyone see page 16 and the photo? Doesn't it look like it was taken in 1987 with the women's hair at the front table and a lady on the right side with shoulder pads and a Dorothy Hamil hair cut
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