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    September 11th - 10 Years Later

    Those of us who are rumbling through life as "baby boomers" remember where we were, what we were doing, etc., when President Kennedy was killed. When the incredible events of September 11, 2001, went down we were again witness to a series of events, the memories of which would stay with is until we exit this planet.
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    I was at the workplace, in my office. Katie called and said, "Hey, are you watching what is happening? A plane just hit the World Trade Center." We have a TV in one of our conference rooms so I walked over to that room. A group of office workers were watching the camera view of smoke coming from one of the towers. Moments after I walked into the room another plane hit the other tower.

    We were supposed to play basketball that evening bit, as the incredible events of the day unfolded we knew our roundball fun was not to be. What was to be was a changed world.

    President Bush was told of the attacks while he sat with school children. Many are critical of his seemingly slow reaction to the news. This Bear has no problem with his reaction.....and how his Administration reacted in the next few weeks.
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    During the course of the next week we will be given a continual stream of reminders of those tragic events. It is painful to watch some of the scenes but I will watch, again.....and I believe most of you will.

    What are your memories, thoughts, about 9/11 and the years after? Can it happen again, on that scale? (Note: this is not the 9/11 conspiracy thread.)

    What say you?

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    My girlfriends and I were chatting about this over lunch yesterday. None of us could believe that it really has been ten years, it doesn't really feel like it. All of them are NJ natives so it really hit close to home for them and all of them knew people that worked in the WTC or were first responders. I was living in Oregon at the time and married to a Middle Easterner so my point of reference is really different both in regards to the towers coming down and the social chaos in the weeks after.

    I think we all agreed that none of us feels particularly safer ten years later and the War on Terror has pretty much been a failure. We are also disturbed that we are still fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan but seemingly little has changed other than Saddam and Osama are dead.
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    10 years later a member of the Air National Guard at Toledo Express Airport (Swanton) is speaking out about the events of that day. When the unit received the word, by phone, to get fighter jets into the air and head east the Guardsmen had very little idea about what to do. There was no plan for the Toledo Wing to scramble in case of national emergency.

    While flying east the communications became clear enough to indicate to the Toledo group the possibility of shooting down a civilian plane. Of course, shortly thereafter, the flight in question disappeared from radar. The pilot says that if they had sighted the flight and were ordered to shoot the airliner down he would have done so.

    When the group from Toledo Express took off, Katie heard their jet engines (as we often do when they roar off the tarmac). She didn't know at the time that they were heading east, toward a commercial airliner that had been hi-jacked by terrorists.

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    I was in my junior year at college. It was a Tuesday, I think. Woke up in my dorm, saw a bunch of guys in the hall. More were crowded in the room next door watching the TV. At that time, I was the only guy in the military on the floor. My neighbor looks at me and says I'm going to war. I watched a few minutes and went back to bed.

    9-11 was a terrible tragedy. However, it really didn't come as a big surprise to me. I spent all of high school competing in speech and debate teams where I read at least 3-4 newspapers a day (still do). Many of these speeches were on foreign affairs. After reading a ton about the first WTC bombings, Oklahoma City, Waco, and Kenya, I put the puzzle pieces together and hypothesized we would VERY LIKELY have an even bigger catastrophe on our own soil within the next 5-10 years (that was back in 1997-1998).
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    I was a freshman in high school that day. I remember it being one of those beautiful late summer/early fall days. Perfect weather, clear-blue skies, 70s. Everything was good.

    I was sitting in my geometry class when they announced over the intercom about the plane hitting the WTC. My first thought was, wow, what a terrible accident. But granted, with all the air traffic in NYC and the towers as tall as they are, I figured a tragic accident like that was bound to happen at some point. But then when they announced that a 2nd plane had hit, that's when we all knew that this was no accident. When they attacked the Pentagon, it was like, "oh crap, they attacked the f***in' Pentagon...that's not good at all. We're at war. What's next? Chicago? L.A.? Disney World?" I got to my biology class around 9:20am CT or so, and CNN was on the TV. That's when we saw the images for the first time and saw the towers collapse in real-time. You could hear a pin-drop...everyone was so silent, stunned, and sad. I remember my biology teacher suddenly saying in her southern accent (she was from Louisiana) something like, "Whoever did this is gonna get a major ass-whoopin."

    The mood was very somber that day and no one felt like doing anything. In gym class, we didn't have to dress, and they just had us walk around the track a few times. In world history class, we convinced our teacher that since 9/11 was world history in the making, that we should just watch the coverage and discuss it the rest of the day.

    Living about 25 miles from O'Hare in a major flight corridor and also near a local general aviation airport, it was very weird not having planes in the sky and not knowing what was next.

    Afterward, the country was so united and patriotic like I have never seen in my life. It didn't last forever though, and we went back to our usual bickering ways, but I've still seen that united sentiment shine through at various times. I remember listening to the radio on October 7 and Bush announcing on the radio the start of the War in Afghanistan and the greater War on Terror. I knew it was going to be a long haul. Many close friends of mine from high school and later, people I met in college, who were affected by the events and wanted to do something about it, decided to join the armed forces. I am fortunate to call many of these courageous people my friends and I'm lucky that those that I knew that served in Iraq and Afghanistan have come back in one piece.

    On October 8, I remember getting home from school and hearing this loud boom, and stuff falling off the shelves. Everybody was running into the streets and asking each other what the hell just happened. We learned that it was a sonic boom, and it was felt widespread from Rockford straight through to Chicago's northwest suburbs. Two military jets scrambled from a base in Wisconsin to intercept a troubled passenger jet and escort it to O'Hare. The jets traveled so fast that they broke the sound barrier, causing the sonic boom. Apparently a passenger with mental illness was having a hallucination that the pilots were going to fly into the Sears Tower and charged the cockpit to try and "stop" them. He was wrestled and subdued by other passengers and the pilots sent out a distress signal. Incidents like these were reminders of the very strange and dark times in which we were living.

    9/11 definitely changed the world. Things are not as good as they once were. When 9/11 happened, it was like "Party's over". I don't know if things will ever be as good as they were in the 90s again. I'm hopeful that they someday will, but I just don't know. Our national security and economy have been very fragile since then and remain that way.

    9/11 and many other events that have happened in the past decade (both personal events and larger events) have definitely altered my perspective on life and what's important and what's not. I've made efforts to be more positive, loving towards my neighbor, and just enjoy every moment and live life to the fullest. Sometimes I take things a little too far in regards to the latter, but it happens.
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    I was in an econ class and I remember the professor saying, "Did you guys here a plane hit the World Trade Center?" and I just imagined it was some little prop plane or something. After class my buddy and I were in the student center eating lunch and saw what was going on on the TVs. We went to a computer lab to check CNN.com and the newspapers when they made an announcement that they were shutting down campus for the day.
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    I sat down to eat cereal and watch the news before going to class. A second after I sat down I watched the second plane fly into the towers. I then went to my American History Class where the professor and the class talked about it for 10 minutes and dismissed us with an assignment on what happened, has it happened before, and how will it change America.

    I had a preseason meeting at the ski hill that I was working at then headed back to campus. I was on student government at the time and we were called into an emergency meeting to discuss how we can help the students deal with it. Best line was spoken by a pre-law major who simply said “I am all for helping other students deal with it, but who the hell is going to help us deal with it? None of us have ever had to cope with a situation as profound as this and I think that we are way over our heads.” It was then decided to contact all the counselors on staff who teamed up with us to have open meetings that night in the lobbies of each of the dorm halls.

    In retrospect, I agree that America was forever changed on that day. But I fear that we have not learned from it the way we should have. I also believe that there are absolute truths that our society continues to avoid because we frankly don’t know better.
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    it was second day after leaving my first job, in between moving to a new job and I woke up late and turned on the tv and was pretty darn shocked. My first thought was wow this is awful, and then second I wondered what we were going to do as a country and how this would change us. Hung out with my best friend at the time after he got off work, he is persian and he said he had had all sorts of nasty insults hurled at him and felt threatened at work (this was a planning office btw). His boss ended up getting suspended for harassing the employees of middle-eastern descent.
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    I was hiking in the Olympic Mtn. Range. With no contact with news sources, it is surprising how quickly the news got to my little group. We were informed that a plane had crashed into the WTC at about 9:00am (pacific time zone). We weren't sure how to process the information or how serious it was, but due to how urgent it sounded, we decided to pack up and head for civilization to find out what we could. A very surreal day. For some reason, everyone in Seattle and the Puget Sound area seemed to think our area was next. Most cities/towns considered that possibility.
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    Quote Originally posted by nrschmid View post
    I was in my junior year at college...
    Quote Originally posted by illinoisplanner View post
    I was a freshman in high school that day...
    Quote Originally posted by WSU MUP Student View post
    I was in an econ class and I remember the professor saying, "Did you guys here a plane hit the World Trade Center?"
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    I sat down to eat cereal and watch the news before going to class...
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    My husband and I were on vacation that week, staying at a B&B on Block Island. We had breakfast in the main dining room, then returned to our room to organize our gear for a day hike. When we came downstairs, we were surprised to see a crowd of people, other guests, gathered around a TV set in a small room. Peeking in, I remember my jaw dropped once I realized what was going on. I think this was after both planes had hit, but before the towers collapsed.

    Eventually we did head out for our excursion, but all day, everywhere we went, total strangers would ask us, "Did you hear what happened? Can you believe it?" Even though I didn't know anyone who worked at the World Trade Center, I couldn't wait to get home. It was a strange time.

    A few days later I dreamt that I was crossing a bridge on the interstate and saw a mushroom cloud in the distance. Scary! Honestly, I don't want to watch the coverage of the 10-year anniversary. It doesn't seem like that long ago to me.

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    I was heading into my building when someone told me about the plane hitting the building. Terrible day.

    That said, it was ten years ago. I am really tired of replaying the events. It happened. It was a terrible tragedy. If I never heard the term "9/11" ever again I would be content. It is long past the time we should move on and stop picking at the scab.
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    Quote Originally posted by Mud Princess View post
    Why, some of you were mere babes!
    Ha! I was in 8th grade at the time
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    I was a sophomore in college, drove to campus, parked at my sorority house, then popped inside to watch TV for 15 minutes or so before I walked to my Spanish class close by. It was about 8:30 in morning and I saw the news about the first plane. I then had to go to class at 9, so I walked and we were talking about what had happened. On the way I called my dad who travels frequently and he was safely in a Las Vegas hotel room. I had classes until about 12, but someone came in my second class, chemistry, and told us all to go home around 11:30. Definitely surreal that it has been 10 years.

    In March of 2002, I went to NYC for the first time in my life and we visited the site and I took picture of the memorials...one thing I will never forget is the smell of destruction that still lingered in the air that many months later.
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    Quote Originally posted by Mud Princess View post
    Why, some of you were mere babes!
    Just as I was a younger than them for JFK. Bobby, & MLK.
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    Quote Originally posted by otterpop View post
    It is long past the time we should move on and stop picking at the scab.
    Mayor Bloomberg agrees...

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    I remember it clearly because I was the Resident Assistant on-call in my dorm and was preparing to open the front desk. I ended-up fielding a bunch of phone calls that morning as the university decided to shut down. I saw it all happen on the news in the lobby with a large crowd of students, including the second plane hitting while they were live.



    As for my feelings, I'm with otterpop.

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    Quote Originally posted by otterpop View post
    I was heading into my building when someone told me about the plane hitting the building. Terrible day.

    That said, it was ten years ago. I am really tired of replaying the events. It happened. It was a terrible tragedy. If I never heard the term "9/11" ever again I would be content. It is long past the time we should move on and stop picking at the scab.
    Working at major airline, saw report of first plane, saw second plane hit, everything changed in the industry that day. Agree with otterpop but there's no way that will happen.

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    Freshman in college when JFK was assassinated. Talk about time to move on...
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    I was born in Manhattan and spent more than half my life in the Metro area. One of my early planning jobs was with the City of NY and my office on John St. was a few short blocks from the WTC. Most of my family is still there (including, at that time, several members of the FDNY/NYPD) as well as many of my friends.

    I was having my last cup of coffee at home in downtown Chicago before heading to work. I overheard a local news announcer say that there were reports that a “small plane” had crashed into the WTC. I quickly switched to a national morning news program. I sat and watched it all unfold in real time.

    After watching the second tower collapse and hearing that the high rises in the Chicago Loop was being evacuated I decided that I’d head to my office in the burbs. I wasn’t having much luck trying to reach NY and that’s where people would most likely try to reach me. It was well into late afternoon before I got word that at least my family and immediate friends who had been in the area were OK.

    As for my feelings about the 10th “anniversary” – they’re decidedly mixed. I won’t go to any of the ceremonies but I can’t bury in the back of my mind like a bad date that I had in 1984 either.

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    I was sitting in the County Attorney's office talking with his assistant when it happened. She had it on the TV.
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    I was at home. We had gotten up early to take my SIL to the airport and came back to crash for a little bit. I called in to the office to say I would be in a little late and they said "That's ok, we're all in Steve's office watching TV anyway." Which sounded a bit confusing to me since we never watched TV at work. After a pregnant pause the person said "do you even know what happened?! - just turn on the TV..." and so I did. After just a few minutes, we watched the second plane hit the towers. Very otherworldly and I remember one thing that struck me at the time was how that image - of a plane flying into a building - was both horrifying and strangely familiar. Not that it had happened before, but that endless movies and special effects had numbed me to the gravity of such a thing happening IN REAL LIFE. Or maybe it was just my brain trying to process how such an impossible thing had become possible.

    My SIL made it as far as Dallas and then was grounded. She ended up renting a car and driving the rest of the way to Tulsa. I remember being very uncomfortable for weeks when planes came in to land at our airport. We lived close by and my route to work took me right by it. A lot of dark shadows passed over my car that made me very uncomfortable as I gazed up at the underbelly of airliners landing or taking off.

    While I agree that dwelling on the sordid details is not that productive, I do feel that, as a watershed moment, taking time to reflect on what has happened between then and now is a healthy thing to do. You notice things - both good and bad, beautiful and ugly - and maybe become a better person. Or society...
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    Like most, we just need to move in with life. Let those that this tragedy has directly affected them mourn in their own way.

    Like most of the youngin's i was getting ready to leave San Francisco for college. 9/11/2011 was scheduled to be my last day as an intern and i was going to head to Sacramento to do some final packing before heading down south for my 3rd year of college.

    That morning i woke up around 6am like usual to take BART into the City. The morning DJ was talking about a small plane hitting the the WTC. I was like "whatever". Hoped into the shower and got ready. Wondered into my Aunt's kitchen where they were watching live the news. My Uncle said it was no accident and I just said, well probably is. Then we saw the 2nd plane hit. My Aunt and Uncle wanted me to stay home, but i insisted i go to work and carry on with my day.

    I got in the car for the short drive to the BART station listening frantically to the radio. At the train station everyone was asking for updates and wanting to know what happened. As i got on the platform someone asked me if i knew an update and i said that the 1st tower had collapsed. The ride into the City was quiet like any other morning except as each person got on the train more people gave information about what was going on. All types of questions like, is it going to happen here? Are they shutting down Financial District? Golden Gate Bridge?

    Once we hit the City it was completely surreal. 8 am, height of rush hour, and everyone was taking trains outside of San Francisco. The trains in the opposite direction were packed. Literally everyone wanted out. They were shutting down the golden gate bridge and the bay bridge as a precautionary measure. Mayor Willie Brown ordered all non-essential employees home. That meant me. As soon as I got to City Hall I was turned away. Didn't know what to do so I decided to wonder around the City for a little bit. Went to the haight, dead. Mission, dead. Then headed to Union Square/financial district, dead. No traffic. No people. It was an empty town at 10am on a weekday morning. Weirdest moment..ever. Strait out of a 28 days later. The place was a ghost town.

    Decided to call it a day and went back to Berkley. Trains were empty. Freeway empty. Air empty. Packed up my shit, said by to my Aunt and thanked her for a wonderful summer and sat and watched the news all day long. Next day went back to work to get my review and final check. Had a brief review and they apologized for no send off. No worries. Everyone was on edge. The City was in mourning due to one of the flights having its final destination in San Francisco. On the way south a lot of overpasses proudly had flags draped over them and one near Gilroy had a great banner... Revenge is a moutherfucker... Guess caltrans didn't have the heart to take that one down.
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    I woke up in my little apartment in Honolulu and got online to check my email. It was 8am there, 1pm in NYC. A month later I was on active duty.
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    I was a senior in high school in SC, actually in Speech and Debate (Model UN) class. Ironically my class was in the library that morning after we discussed going to New York that next spring to visit the UN.

    I remember looking up and seeing the TV reporting about the first plane that hit. I remember the anchors saying that a small plane had hit the WTC. I was looking at the picture on the TV and thinking that was a large hole for a small plane. When I was turning to head back to my table I heard the anchors gasp, looked up and saw the second plane hit. At that second I felt a pit in my stomach and knew this was no accident. By the end of that day all of us guys really thought we would be drafted.

    Two things that stand out to me was how eerily quiet the hallways of my high school were that day. The other thing that was strange was that my town was directly in the flight path of planes flying into Atlanta airport from the north, the sound of high flying airplanes was a constant of my town's background noise. After all flights were grounded it was bizarre not hearing any jets or seeing any contrails for those several days.

    I can't believe it has been 10 years. I do think that we should remember this anniversary but it does no good dwelling on it *looks at NBC, for their airing of a 2-hour special on "The Children of 9-11."*

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    My international perspective... for what its worth..

    I was in my final year of school, heading towards our final exams. My mum woke me up early with this despondant look on her face. She looked at me and said "The world has changed forever today". and said to watch the tv. Here in Australia, our local news consists of at least 1/3 international content, we are pretty informed on happening around the world generally- but for the next couple of days, all we saw was news on 9/11.

    9/11 is my granny's birthday. She is quite upset about that fact and has often stated she would like to change the date of her birthday.

    When i went to NYC in 09 i made sure i visited the WTC site. My travel companions and i walked the entire perimeter of the site, i guess to understand the sense of scale. I had previously studied the architecture of the towers in art class, so i was familiar with the buildings, but its the extent of the site which i had no bearing of. After that we went to the little memorial centre across the road. That place haunts me today, i suppose because i was alive at the time, and it put everything into perspective. I wept in the centre, alike most people that were there, including my two male travelling companions.

    During my lunch break today i have had the chance to look at the NY times website- thats been a good source of feeling as we mark this moment in time. I particularly was interested in reading the stories of those that kept momentos from the site and the stories behind these. Touching and moving.
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