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    Cyburbian Hawkeye66's avatar
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    Getting beat up over proposing a storm water utility

    Nothing like being accused of trying to rip people off...of totally lacking empathy....

    and if you respond, you are the one who looks unprofessional....

    Man I am tired of it.

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    Blame it on the feds ... and, by the way, they plan to start doing inspections in hopes of finding communities that aren't doing what they are supposed to. It will not be a happy time for the communities they nail. We got it from them for discharges to a national waterway from our pre-treatment plant. Tens and tens of millions later, we have learned our lesson. Keep your chin up and good luck!
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    Yep, 'yer taxin' the rain' and all that BS

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    We're about to propose that here. Our primary strategy entails blaming unfunded federal and especially state mandates. We're at least fortunate because every other city around us has already enacted such a fee.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

    - Herman Göring at the Nuremburg trials (thoughts on democracy)

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    Cities are getting nailed with storm water runoff regulations while farmers run free. Where I live any attempt to reign in anything to do with farming (like proposing farmers pay taxes on their vehicle gas) is shut down immediately. Talk about the new landed gentry.
    I burned down the church to atone for my transgressions.

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    Just keep stressing that you have to do the storm water projects anyway, and that this is a better way to pay for it than using property tax. It helps to cite the tax relief figure as well from time to time.
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    Quote Originally posted by TOFB View post
    Yep, 'yer taxin' the rain' and all that BS
    I had a guy come in after we implemented it... $1.51 on the water bill. "Now I gots tuh pay fer the rain, too!" I said, "Yes sir, it's unfortunate but true. At least it's summer, just wait until the winter rains hit!" Man, I could hardly keep a straight face.
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    We have a Long Term Control Plan with the EPA, and it calls for separation of storm and sanitary sewer.

    What do you do with a councilor who claims to be sticking up for the little guy but has lots of big roofs and lots???? Is there a word for that? Probably not one I would repeat here.

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    Some of my work this year is about trees and stormwater, and making enough rooting volume for large trees so they can intercept precip. Only going to get stricter and stricter, and we should have started 20 years ago.

    But I hear you about people complaining. Not a lot you can do, and you are going to implement measures regardless of their complaints. Look at Philly and what they are doing to get their CSO problems under control (and be glad its not you).

    This is another area - like Agenda 21 - where we need someone to do a workshop where phrasing that planners can use is an output.
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    Quote Originally posted by Hawkeye66 View post
    We have a Long Term Control Plan with the EPA, and it calls for separation of storm and sanitary sewer.

    What do you do with a councilor who claims to be sticking up for the little guy but has lots of big roofs and lots???? Is there a word for that? Probably not one I would repeat here.
    Unfortunately all you can do is count on the rest of them to do the right thing.
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    I go through something similar three times per year! Sometimes I am amazed by how apathetic the population is, other times its like war!
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