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    Cyburbia Administrator Dan's avatar
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    After attending the recent APA Upstate NY chapter conference, a big concern that I, and other planners where I work, is the lack of unbiased, balanced information about hydrofracking. Seriously. Here in Hippie Valley, ground zero of the anti-fracking movement, hydrofracking is presented as the equivalent of a looming Bhopal. On the other side, we see lime green-highlighted propaganda depicting wildflowers, smiling families, clear skies, and a promising future. There seems to be nothing in the middle.

    Yes, I'm concerned about the short-term and long-term environmental effects, especially to drinking water. However, as a planner, I'm also concerned about ...

    * Impacts on the housing market; man camps, housing shortages, high rents and real estate prices, and the impact on long-time residents.
    * Impacts on roads, not just maintenance but also their character.
    * Well pad sites: clearing, grading, stormwater management, screening, remediation, and so on.
    * Ancillary and accessory uses: equipment storage lots, pipelines, and so on.
    * Farmland that may be taken out of production.
    * Disposal of toxic waste and contaminants.
    * Social impacts, particularly resulting from an influx of young men.
    * Hiring practices: high-paying jobs usually go to out-of-state roughnecks, engineers, managers, and so on, rather than locals.
    * Viability of hospitalityuses after the boom: hotels, restaurants, etc.

    Places that experienced this kind of boom-and-bust cycle are usually in the West and Southwest; not the Northeast. Northeastern planners tend not to look beyond the region, or even their own states, for best practices and lessons learned.
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    Like Dan, I have the same concerns. Face it, we need the oil even if I am not so naive as to think that oil is not a globally traded commodity, and drilling in the US does not mean that the US will be any less dependent upon imported oil. On the other hand, there is potential for environmental devastation. The source for this might be the chemicals used in fracking, contaminated aquifers, damage to cultural sites, gas seepage, or other concerns. Perhaps the biggest question, and clearest to understnad, is about the water used in fracking. Each well needs something like 2 million gallons of water - more than the weekly water demand of most of the small towns found throughout the oil fields of North Dakota and Montana. These are arid places to begin with. Can aquifers sutain pumping that rate? Can the Missouri and its tributories sustain being drawn down, without impacting navigation, wildlife, and water supplies of communities downstream? And then there is the wastewater, as a significant portion of what is forced down the well comes back up, contaminated by multiple chemicals and heavy metals. Where can this volume of wastewater be effectively treated? Do we really have the capacity to monitor the companies doing the fracking? It is a tough issue. Anybody with reason can see that the information passed around by some environmentalists and oil supporters is as tainted as a truckload of fracking wastewater. Nobody trusts the government to make balanced decisions based on scientific evidence. So where is the data and analysis people need to really make good decisions?
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    I actually just finished my masters course and my thesis focused on hydraulic fracturing. When I began I was quite opposed to the entire idea, but after looking at the industry for 6 months I have sort of switched views. I'm entirely convinced it can be done safely, a stronger regulatory presence probably would have prevented past problems, but it appears the industry is doing a better job self regulating and complying with best practice today than they did 5 or 10 years ago, this is largely due to public scrutiny. I cannot lend any insight on the water impact as I study in Ireland, and thus the cases I focused were in the Irish context, and the rain here provides more than enough for the process, I can see how it could be a problem in dry climates. From what I understand the influx of jobs is relatively short term as there is originally a large number of jobs created, these then drop off as wells come online and stabilize at much smaller numbers.

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    Beer vs. Fracking

    I've never been a big anti-fracker, but you start messing with beer, we's got sum problems.

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    Our commission is poised to adopt a resolution in opposition to a bill in the Florida legislature that would, among other things, preempt local governments from enacting ordinances to regulate hydraulic fracturing. We're considering taking a pro-active move and prepare amendments to our comp plan and land development regulations to prohibit hydraulic fracturing. Anybody have some language I can "barrow" or point me to some resources? Thanks in advance.
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    In a couple of days, here's what we've come up with:

    Objective 6.22: Protect surface- and ground-water resources, air quality, soils, flora and fauna, and public health, safety, and welfare from contaminates associated with hydraulic fracturing.

    Policy 6.22.1: Prohibit hydraulic fracturing in all land use categories. Hydraulic fracturing is the process which fractures in rocks below the earth's surface are forced open and widened by injecting chemicals and liquids at high pressure and typically used to extract natural gas or oil.

    Policy 6.22.2: Oppose any bill introduced into the Florida Legislature that would, in any manner, limit, restrict, or preempt local governments from regulating hydraulic fracturing.
    Be brutally honest with your comments. Thanks.
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    Here's our last draft.

    To the Comp Plan:

    Policy 3.3.2: Hydraulic fracturing is a prohibited use in all land use categories listed in Tables 3A and 12A of this Plan. Hydraulic fracturing is the process which fractures in rocks below the earth's surface are forced open and widened by injecting chemicals and liquids at high pressure and typically used to extract natural gas or oil.

    Objective 6.22: Protect surface- and ground-water resources, air quality, soils, flora and fauna, and public health, safety, and welfare from contaminates associated with hydraulic fracturing.

    Policy 6.22.1: Prohibit hydraulic fracturing in all land use categories listed in Tables 3A and 12A of this Plan. Hydraulic fracturing is the process which fractures in rocks below the earth's surface are forced open and widened by injecting chemicals and liquids at high pressure and typically used to extract natural gas or oil.

    Policy 6.22.2: Oppose any bill introduced into the Florida Legislature that would, in any manner, limit, restrict, or preempt local governments from regulating hydraulic fracturing.


    Land Development Regulations

    SECTION 311. Hydraulic Fracturing Uses. This Code intends to protect surface- and ground-water resources, air quality, soils, flora and fauna, and public health, safety, and welfare from contaminates associated with hydraulic fracturing. Hydraulic fracturing is also known by the common term “fracking.” To that end, hydraulic fracturing is a prohibited use in all zone districts in unincorporated Bay County. For the purposes of this Code, hydraulic fracturing is defined as the process which fractures in rocks below the earth's surface are forced open and widened by injecting chemicals and liquids at high pressure and typically used to extract natural gas or oil.

    SECTION 3508. Hydraulic Fracturing. It is the intent of this Commission to protect surface- and ground-water resources, air quality, soils, flora and fauna, and public health, safety, and welfare from contaminates associated with hydraulic fracturing. Hydraulic fracturing is also known by the common term “fracking.” To that end, hydraulic fracturing is a prohibited use in all zone districts in unincorporated Bay County. For the purposes of this Code, hydraulic fracturing is defined as the process which fractures in rocks below the earth's surface are forced open and widened by injecting chemicals and liquids at high pressure and typically used to extract natural gas or oil.
    The Man does not like Policy 6.22.2. I don't care.
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    Yesterday our Board approved a text amendment to our comp plan that I wrote to prohibit fracking in all land use categories. The amendment now goes to the state planning agency for analysis. I don't expect any objection from them. In the mean time, our legislative lunatics are considering a bill that would retro-actively preempt local government from regulating fracking. (How's that for home rule?) Our board has literally said "hell no" to fracking. We'll see how this plays out.
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    Quote Originally posted by Richmond Jake View post
    ..., our legislative lunatics are considering a bill that would retro-actively preempt local government from regulating fracking. (How's that for home rule?) Our board has literally said "hell no" to fracking. We'll see how this plays out.
    Way to go, Florida legislature! That's messed up!
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