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    What reason do you think Obama will go down in history as one of America's greatest Presidents?

    I know this is a controversial topic and there's a lot of debate surrounding this question. After all, some folks think Obama is a great President for championing the cause of the poor with Obamacare, while others argue he should be remembered in history for being the first black President, while yet others believe his open endorsement of gay marriage will be what he is best remembered for. How do you think history will remember him?
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    I honestly think it's too early for legacy talks. A lot of his accomplishments will be moot if he fails to win reelection. Then with a second a term, he'll be concerned with legacy and not reelection, so I expect him to govern somewhat differently than he has been. I think it's anyone's guess as to what his legacy ultimately will be at this point.

    However I do find it funny how some people debate whether Obama was even the first black president since he's half white. There's no pleasing some people.

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    Quote Originally posted by Blide View post
    However I do find it funny how some people debate whether Obama was even the first black president since he's half white. There's no pleasing some people.
    You’re right, there is no pleasing some people. And that’s America! When it comes to keeping people down, anyone with African ancestry is automatically “black.” Unless they do something good for society in which case they are suddenly “part white.” And really, very few African Americans can claim to have no European ancestry at all. Its our messed up notion of “purity and pollution” that categorizes these people as just “black.” In fact, it was a retired federal judge with one African American parent and one Irish American parent that challenged the Census on its definition of racial categories. This is what resulted in the option to select more than one race on the census. I heard an interview on the radio with him once. Awesome dude!

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    But I digress. I suspect the healthcare legislation, the true effects of which will not be felt for some time, will be his defining accomplishment, but if he gets another term, who knows what could happen or what's on the agenda. I think there is the possibility of some interesting international developments in the coming years.
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    Unless there is change in the remainder of his term, or he wins a second term and can bring about change, I think Obama will be viewed as one of the "middle of the pack" presidents. A faltering economy and political opposition have kept him from achieving much. In fact, you could argue that the opposing party has had a strategy of keeping the economy from improving as a means to help them get elected in 2012.
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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal View post
    In fact, you could argue that the opposing party has had a strategy of keeping the economy from improving as a means to help them get elected in 2012.
    That strategy might be backfiring. Have you seen the recent polls on Obama vs. congress and Romney?

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    Having the stones to find and kill Osama bin Laden. (Obviously, he didn't pull the trigger in the literal sense, but he most certainly did in the figurative.)
    Closed second: Saving GM.
    Third: Gigantic expansion of clean energy using the Repubs-hated successful stimulus.

    Too soon to say with Affordable Care Act.
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    It depends on if he wins reelection and what he does second term. Currently I find no reason whatsoever that he would be ranked among the greatest presidents.
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    He was America's first black president..... Other that that, he will rate on the same level as Jimmy Carter.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    He was America's first black president..... Other that that, he will rate on the same level as Jimmy Carter.
    You mean a moral, decent, Christian man-right?
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    Quote Originally posted by Whose Yur Planner View post
    You mean a moral, decent, Christian man-right?
    Yep.... And had no real understanding of the economy, job creation, foreign policy, domestic policy, or fiscal responsibility.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    Yep.... And had no real understanding of the economy, job creation, foreign policy, domestic policy, or fiscal responsibility.
    Ya know, I could refute your talking points but it's like getting into a shouting match with a deaf person.
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    Quote Originally posted by Cardinal View post
    Unless there is change in the remainder of his term, or he wins a second term and can bring about change, I think Obama will be viewed as one of the "middle of the pack" presidents. .
    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    ...Currently I find no reason whatsoever that he would be ranked among the greatest presidents.
    Bottom third-half of the middle-of-the-pack. "Greatest President" surely is a gimmick to get someone to read the thread, as there is no evidence for the assertion.

    If he changes his basic nature and plays the game properly, he can change direction in his second term and do some things to fix this mess, but I don't see how an enraged Right and plutocrat-funded TeaPurty will allow that.
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    Quote Originally posted by ColoGI View post
    "Greatest President" surely is a gimmick to get someone to read the thread, as there is no evidence for the assertion. .
    Surely. Sadly that someone did not care to grace us with 'her' presence this time Oh well.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by ColoGI View post
    ..."Greatest President" surely is a gimmick to get someone to read the thread, as there is no evidence for the assertion.
    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Surely. Sadly that someone did not care to grace us with 'her' presence this time Oh well.
    As there has been zero evidence presented to defend the "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreatest Prrrrrrrrrrresident Evvvvvvvvvvvvvvahah!!!!!!1one!!" assertion, one must go with the 'gimmick' speculation. Smart money, yasee, mark to market..
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    The first illegal alien and Muslim President with ties to terrorism.

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    Boo. I thought it would be better.... very disappointed.
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    Personally and endearingly, I like how he at his core seems likes a normal person, someone I can relate to. Check out this pic of him playing with a toddler. Too cute!

    http://officialssay.tumblr.com/post/...d-by-a-toddler

    Nuther ones:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...in/photostream

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...in/photostream

    Ruling the country, tho, needs moar, "I got this!" <Note: Linkypoo NSFW>

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    Quote Originally posted by Hink View post
    Boo. I thought it would be better.... very disappointed.
    Agreed. That was quite disappointing.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    Quote Originally posted by Wannaplan? View post
    Personally and endearingly, I like how he at his core seems likes a normal person, someone I can relate to. Check out this pic of him playing with a toddler. Too cute!

    http://officialssay.tumblr.com/post/...d-by-a-toddler

    Nuther ones:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...in/photostream

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteho...in/photostream
    I do have to give him credit. He is great with kids on a personal level, and I think that he is a great dad to his little kids. I also think that in his heart, he genuinely wants to do the right thing for this country.



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    Agreed. That was quite disappointing.
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    With the exception of George Washington, great Presidents are those who change their mind a lot. Straight line rhetorical Presidents are easily forgotten, as are rhetorical bosses in the workplace.
    Psychotics are consistently inconsistent. The essence of sanity is to be inconsistently inconsistent.
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    He's proven he has some fine pipes. He did Al Green proud. He plays a mean game of hide and seek. Killed the then-reigning champ. Showed Pakistan up for what it is.

    He hasn't yet shown greatness. Not sure if he has it in him.

    Greatest president is a hard role to fill. Washington, Lincoln, and the two Roosevelts are in that realm. Jefferson was a great patriot, thinker and real estate speculator, but not really a great president. Kennedy was cut down before he could be judged on that regard. Reagan has been over-valued in that regard IMO.
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    Obama's stimulus doubled U.S. renewable energy production, so I think years down the road (when global warming becomes ever more apparent) his environmental initiatives will be an integral part of his legacy.

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