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    It sure is fun watching the Armstrong Cult rock back & forth down here in the Austin area over this whole issue.

    I'm not mad at him for doping. I am mad at him for perpetuating the lie for 15 years, the large number of people he threw under the bus to remain in secret and his defamation lawsuits against anyone who dared speak an ill word against him in public. I am mad because he has furthered the "win at any cost" culture of athletics perhaps more than any other athlete, particularly since he was viewed as so squeeky-clean for so long.

    Lance Armstrong is a self-absorbed asshole. He was an absolute dick when developing his property near Austin and amassed a number of environmental violations & fines--and that's from the notoriously weak-kneed Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. There are a lot of people, including me, that believe his secondary reason for creating LiveStrong was to service a "good guy image" that allowed him to get the public benefit of the doubt during doping accusations and allow him to get away with his bullying intimidation of team members and team support staff that knew the truth.

    I view the fallout from his admission as a legal curiosity given his past success with defamation lawsuits against the press, his defamation of other cyclists & team support staff, whether past sponsors (including the USPS) seek restitution for fraud under morality clauses of contracts, etc. His admission at this point will set in motion some interesting things.

    "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

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    He is doing this because his ego is so big he cannot stand that he is being outcast. My guess is that he turns over some bigger names (Nike, USPS Team leadership, Olympic Level Leadership) who knew about this. He has to go big because he is banned from doing the only thing he was ever decent at.

    He should never be allowed to compete again. He should pay back the money he won from all the newspapers who said the truth. He should donate all his winnings to Livestrong. He should crawl up in a hole and disappear from the limelight.

    The Oprah thing is a joke. He is doing it so he can get some PR out there. I think his cheating was pretty standard really. What makes me really dislike him is that he was such a liar about everything that he had to take everyone out around him to keep him lie going. And when the world came crumbling down around him he STILL lied about it. He still thought he was bigger than the law.

    He will go down as one of the biggest disappointments in sports. Someone with tremendous talent who sold out to win and instead of being a man about it, he lied until he couldn't outrun his lie. I hope he finds that he has no supporters....

    Edit: I didn't read SR comments before I posted... I concur.
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    So now it's being reported that there was so much to the interview that Oprah will have to spread it out over 2 nights. Who thinks that his admission to doping will come on night #1? Lance and Oprah deserve each other for being egomaniacs.
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    Quote Originally posted by Suburb Repairman View post
    There are a lot of people, including me, that believe his secondary reason for creating LiveStrong was to service a "good guy image" that allowed him to get the public benefit of the doubt during doping accusations and allow him to get away with his bullying intimidation of team members and team support staff that knew the truth.

    I view the fallout from his admission as a legal curiosity given his past success with defamation lawsuits against the press, his defamation of other cyclists & team support staff, whether past sponsors (including the USPS) seek restitution for fraud under morality clauses of contracts, etc. His admission at this point will set in motion some interesting things.
    Not only did he need Livestrong to yellow-wash his image away from his cycling behavior, he was an asshole to the women around him as well as (ex-)friends.

    I agree that the fallout and fraud will be interesting, as well as what will happen with the other dopers who are still riding, many of whom are big draws for our new big bike ride here in Colo. I was going to volunteer this year and decline a trip to speak, but may change my mind because of this fallout. We might have a shake-up equal to Europe a couple years ago.
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    The truth is that everybody has been cheating at cycling. The testing agencies are evidently corrupt since Lance was able to bribe them in order to get negative results. The whole sport should be disbanded. It is 10x dirtier than MLB in terms of the PED use.

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