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    Medical marijuana

    What do you think about legalizing marijuana (ostensibly) for medical purposes? Also, do you think hemp should be legalized because it is a useful fiber?
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    What do you think about legalizing marijuana (ostensibly) for medical purposes? Also, do you think hemp should be legalized because it is a useful fiber?
    It should be legalized period, medicinal or otherwise.
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    I'm in favor of full legalization and simply treating it like alcohol. I would not use, but I think it is time for this course correction in our drug policy. I think it would have significant positive effects on drug trafficking and actually help better stabilize northern Mexico, which has been plagued with cartel violence.

    Also, it will allow me to begin investing heavily in Frito-Lay and Taco Bell stock.

    Hemp is truly a no-brainer. It is actually better adapted to be grown in a number of climates with more ease/success than cotton.

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    Marijuana: should be legalized, regulated and taxed in a manner similar to tobacco or alcohol.

    Hemp: I think the "miracle fiber" claims are overrated, but it gives farmers another crop to add to their rotation.

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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    It should be legalized period, medicinal or otherwise.
    I agree. Numerous studies have shown that legalizing and taxing marijuana, as we do alcohol and tobacco, would provide states with a strong revenue stream. It is no more harmful than alcohol. It would relieve an overburdened court system from prosecuting increasingly unpopular laws. And it makes people feel better and relieves stress.
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    We already have one mind altering drug readily available - alcohol, that extracts terrific costs to our society. Do we want another such substance readily available?
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    We already have one mind altering drug readily available - alcohol, that extracts terrific costs to our society. Do we want another such substance readily available?
    Some would argue that it is already readily available. Besides, you can grow it yourself.

    Prescription drug abuse is a much more serious problem.
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    I think it's pretty much in the same class as alcohol. If marijuana is legalized, I was to see standards set for what constitutes impairment, just like it is with alcohol. I also want smoking it in public limited just like tobacco. Hemp is just a fiber, some of it makes good rope, some of it makes good dope.
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    I tend to agree with btrage. The American public has made it clear that they are very interested in MJ's use. Like alcohol, it has very widespread use and attempts to curtail it through legal means has been marginal at best. This may be one of those issues where government needs to consider people's actual behavior instead of the desired behavior and accommodate that in the law. Its a terrific opportunity to bolster tax revenue and bringing its economy into the light could reduce a lot of crime that currently surrounds it as a black market good. Is it destructive?, perhaps not for everyone (like alcohol) but yes, people who are prone to substance abuse will find themselves in trouble. But these people may have sought it out anyway and use and treatment would likely be more open and easy to access if legal.

    At the same time, I am not sure where I draw the line. If prescription drug use was as widespread, would I also think it should be legalized because its "what the people want"? I'm not sure. That seems a lot more harmful and dangerous to me. So, when I drill down to the details, its hard for me to come up with consistent criteria I would use to decide what should be legal (or "tolerated" as they do in Holland) and what should not.

    An interesting twist on the Med MJ issue is an article I saw a few months ago in my fair state (which does have a medical program, though its very low key and no dispensaries). Apparently, researchers have been perfecting a strain that contains all the medicinal properties but without the THC (the part recreational users desire). Would current support of MJ be the same without its intoxicating effects? In many ways, I do feel a lot of supporters (particularly those who do not have medical conditions) see it as a step toward decriminalization and more open recreational use.
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    I think that the Federal Government should eliminate all regulatory control on it, and let each state decide. Personally, I think the states should legalize it, treat it the same as Alcohol or Tobacco, and tax the hell out of it… at the state level.
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    Peyton Manning just bought several PapaJohn Pizza franchises in the Denver area. Now Colorado has legalized MJ. Man Peyton is smart and is gonna rack in on the munchie fixes in the community!
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    Quote Originally posted by Dan View post
    Hemp: I think the "miracle fiber" claims are overrated, but it gives farmers another crop to add to their rotation.
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    WR Hearst thought it was a big enough threat to his fiber plantations to demonize it. Nevertheless, if it replaces even 1/4 of the acreage in cotton - especially in CA - we are already much, much better off. Not the chemical companies better off, but everyone else. And that is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    We already have one mind altering drug readily available - alcohol, that extracts terrific costs to our society. Do we want another such substance readily available?
    No, we don't. It is one thing to decriminalize MJ (which I support), but allowing full-blown commercial sale of it is the wrong path to take IMO. We don't need another vice industry like alcohol and tobacco that markets to teens. Big tobacco already has its sights set on MJ, and frankly, it's too lucrative of a business to keep them out of it. Why can't the government just decriminalize it and allow people to grow their own product? Why does it have to get in the business of trying to regulate and tax it?

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Why can't the government just decriminalize it and allow people to grow their own product? Why does it have to get in the business of trying to regulate and tax it?
    Decriminalization is another route to take. As far as Big Business taking it over and the government taxing it, I think an argument can be made similar to home-brewing. People currently avoid commerically produced alcohol and paying taxes on it by making their own beer, wine and mead. Marijuana can be easily grown for personal consumption, thus avoiding both Big Business and taxation. But there will also be a market for people who don't want to grow their own. Particularly those who want to smoke bud but don't want plants growing in their homes where their kids can get hold of them.

    Were it legal or decrimnalized, it would be very easy for a person to grow enough pot for his or her personal consumption in a closet or in the basement of the house. And avoid Big Business and taxation.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    We already have one mind altering drug readily available - alcohol, that extracts terrific costs to our society. Do we want another such substance readily available?
    What terrific costs to society do marijuana cause?
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What terrific costs to society do marijuana cause?
    Well, for starters, those Harold and Kumar movies are pretty annoying....does that count?

    Seriously, I'm undecided on the recreational side. I assume it would be given an age limit like tobacco or alcohol and there would be potential criminal uses of it just like there are still today (dui, etc.)

    However, I do think it should be made available as medicine. As a likely future sufferer of Parkinson's I'm going to want it to deal with pain and with nausea from other medications. My father is suffering with Parkinson's and cancer right now and he could use it. It would add to the quality of his life.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What terrific costs to society do marijuana cause?
    Right now the societal costs of MJ are somewhat blunted (hee hee) due to its illegal status and includes costs associated with law enforcement, courts, and incarceration costs. The question we should be asking is what terrific costs to society would MJ have if it were provided a legal status comparable to alcohol. Alcohol's costs are pretty well documented and include things like decreased work productivity, increased health care costs, traffic mortality rates, addiction and the various social costs traditionally associated with addictions (e.g. spouse abuse, child abuse, poverty, and family/marital problems). I leave the question open to others as to whether they believe MJ would necessarily result in the same or similar problems that alcohol causes.
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    Quote Originally posted by otterpop View post
    But there will also be a market for people who don't want to grow their own. Particularly those who want to smoke bud but don't want plants growing in their homes where their kids can get hold of them.
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    I agree. Not everyone can keep plants alive ( a walk around my neighborhood - any neighborhood - and look at the cr@ptacular landscaping proves that ), and those that can may have kids.

    I don't know how I feel about regulating MJ in the marketplace to keep from peddling to kids - we do a horrible job at this already with BudLight Lime gets you poularrrrr with teh hotties!!! and Joe Camel and the like. Corporations will buy off politicians to make money.
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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What terrific costs to society do marijuana cause?
    Addiction/abuse and all its consequences.

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Addiction/abuse and all its consequences.
    What consequences?
    Children in the back seat can cause accidents - and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What consequences?
    Use your imagination.

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Use your imagination.
    MJ is addictive and causes societal consequences? I can't imagine. Is that what the literature says?
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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Use your imagination.
    Flesh-eating zombies?
    Children in the back seat can cause accidents - and vice versa.

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    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    What consequences?


    I suppose you think sin, degradation, vice, and insanity are things we should welcome in our society?
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    I've seen many of fights when alcohol is involved (drunk people). I have never seen a fight when MJ is involved (stoned people).
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