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    Cyburbia dispute resolution services: 1/18/13 edition

    Please settle this dispute.

    The question was posed "when did the US become a nation?"

    Party A states July 4, 1776.
    Party B says September 3, 1783

    who is right and why do you think so.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    I think that's an issue of perspective. I'm inclined to go with 1776 though since a county can break away without the approval of the mother country. Plus as soon as you get the acknowledgement of another nation, you can make a reasonable case that you're an independent nation. Even today you have places like Kosovo and Taiwan that are independent nations where the mother country still hasn't acknowledged them.

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    Quote Originally posted by Blide View post
    I think that's an issue of perspective. I'm inclined to go with 1776 though since a county can break away without the approval of the mother country. Plus as soon as you get the acknowledgement of another nation, you can make a reasonable case that you're an independent nation. Even today you have places like Kosovo and Taiwan that are independent nations where the mother country still hasn't acknowledged them.
    Hmmm, I just may have to visit the Republic of Biafra some time soon.

    What does Gedunker have to say?
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    I don't think either A or B are correct. The US did not become a nation until affirming it's ability to defend itself and maintain it's sovereignty in the War of 1812. Until then it was a paper nation.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    who is right and why do you think so.
    What is 'right'?
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    Quote Originally posted by Maister View post
    Please settle this dispute.

    The question was posed "when did the US become a nation?"

    Party A states July 4, 1776.
    Party B says September 3, 1783

    who is right and why do you think so.
    I think both A and B are wrong. I think it was March 1, 1781, when the 13th state, Maryland, ratified the Articles of Confederation.

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    1776. Nobody cares what those blokes think across the pond.
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    I will go with A since that is when the US asserted its sovereignty. It is also when the US recognizes its birth date.
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    Quote Originally posted by Brocktoon View post
    I will go with A since that is when the US asserted its sovereignty. It is also when the US recognizes its birth date.
    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    1776. Nobody cares what those blokes think across the pond.
    I'm with the date of our 'birthday', but there are those out there of a...erm...technical bent...that look to paper and treaties and rules of law for validation.
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