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    How To Start Future Hurricane-Superstorm SANDY Aftermath Planning Topics?

    In a search over the past 3 months, the keyword Sandy was found in these topics:**
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/searc...archid=1106129

    Planning discussion (per se) for Sandy's aftermath has begun in these topics:
    USA Today Editorial: To cut power outages, bury key electric lines
    Should we rebuild in flood zones???
    The 2012 Hurricane Season thread

    The NEVERENDING Weather Thread

    Random Thoughts Deserving No Thread Of Their Own 7 (2012)
    The First 2012 Presidential Election Thread
    All topics but the "Power Outages" topic were in the Friday Afternoon Club.


    My question(s):


    Should we continue to discuss Hurricane/Superstorm Sandy aftermath planning as we have been doing? And should we start new topics in whichever forum we think is best suitable?
    I'll call this the "decentralized approach," for lack of any more suitable term which I can conjure at this moment.

    Alternatively, should we begin taking a more "centralized approach" to Sandy aftermath planning discussion? And if so, should we start most new topics in "Make No Small Plans," or is there a better way?

    Alternatively (again!), is there an organized way of taking a "decentralized approach" some times, and a "centralized approach" at other times?



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    **Unfortunately, there was no way to remove "Sandy Hook" from the search.

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    Start a new thread on Disaster Recovery.


    I had raised a related question in this thread -

    Question about need for new specialized Disaster Recovery training
    http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46603

    And

    for those attending the national conference there are several session about this -

    http://www.planning.org/conference/p...&ViewType=LIST
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    I do think NY and NJ need to get serious about planning for surges and ultimate sea level rise and planning needs to be part of that discussion for certain.

    I see this as an example of our country's infrastructure catastrophe in the making as there will not be money to fund flood control systems, if not a symbol

    I also see it as an example of a backlash against zoning as some if that land simply should not be built

    It's finally an example of the power elite that will never give up developing in NY. NJ even though they are at sea level

    I think people in here may not be as responsive as we should because it's obvious what needs to happen and it's scary that it likely will not happen

    Hope you are doing okay

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    Please register for The Nine Steps to Build Back Safer & Smarter on Feb 22, 2013 12:00 PM CST at:

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    If CFM get credit for it so should AICP under self reporting.
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    My read is that a disaster mitigation thread belongs in Make No Small Plans and that future threads with that theme belong there.
    People will miss that it once meant something to be Southern or Midwestern. It doesn't mean much now, except for the climate. The question, “Where are you from?” doesn't lead to anything odd or interesting. They live somewhere near a Gap store, and what else do you need to know? - Garrison Keillor

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    It sounds like there's a big picture discussion "Make No Small Plans" if you will, and then locally specific responses for changing land-use, zoning, making infrastructure investments or changing response, recovery, and resilience policies. These local and specific responses will be very geographically unique. For example, a big picture discussion might be on broader issues of climate change. Meanwhile, Maryland, which arguably has the biggest sea-level rise problem in the US, doesn't actually have anywhere near the biggest storm surge problem (vs Florida or New Jersey, say). Oklahoma and Nebraska are looking at a potentially devastating desertification risk. And California mainly just needs to figure out how to steal more water from its neighbors.

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    NPR show - On Point - February 5, 2013

    After Big Storms: Rebuild Or No?
    http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/02/05/rebuilding
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    Thank you, JNA, LP, Cismontane, Maister, for your input. Your thoughtfulness on this subject means a great deal to me.

    From my (very geographically close) viewpoint, it appears as if LP has hit the nail squarely on the head:
    Quote Originally posted by luckless pedestrian View post
    . . .It's finally an example of the power elite that will never give up developing in NY. NJ even though they are at sea level

    I think people in here may not be as responsive as we should because it's obvious what needs to happen and it's scary that it likely will not happen. . .

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    Florida and the Mississippi valley also need to ramp up their game on this topic. Every few years there are either terrible floods or hurricanes that seem to take out the same areas over and over. LA and CA are probably way ahead of the game.

    Places like NJ, Long Island, and NC have similar landscapes along their oceanfronts (heck we can throw parts of Florida in there as well) perhaps these areas can learn from each other? I know in places like the Outerbanks in NC have designed their homes high on sticks to mitigate the effects of storms. I have not seen that in the Wildwoods of NJ or along Miami, though those places are much older in terms of development. Communities with similar issues should try to come up with general guidelines first, then decide how to make impacts less in the future.

    Here in Michigan we may get snowstorms, but we are lucky in which tornadoes are in very frequent and it takes years for water levels to change along the great lakes. Where we have issues its simply adding a sea wall and your good for 40 years.

    Thats all I got.
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    America's Coastal Denial
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...our-lives.html

    About Long Beach Island, NJ

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    Stupid Court Case
    Highlighted in this article When it comes to sand, the courts don't know what they're dune
    http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine..._the_cour.html

    BOROUGH OF HARVEY CEDARS v. KARAN
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    Oddball
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    The other issue that gets ignored a lot is subsidence. MD and VA have argued that they have acute sea level rise problems. Really, the seas aren't rising any more quickly there than anywhere else. It's just that in swathes of those two states, coastal land is sinking into the seas due to generations of poor water, stormwater and land management policies. 50-80 years from now, the combination of subsidence with actual sea level rise will be what leads to some of the most devastating consequences.

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    From PBS -

    How Cities Are Preparing for the Next Big Disaster
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...-disaster.html
    Oddball
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    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
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    BUMP -

    HEADLINE:
    How to Think Like the Dutch in a Post-Sandy World
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/ma...orld.html?_r=1

    HIGHLIGHTS:
    The new buzzword that accompanies all of this — “resiliency” — is intended as a nonpolitically charged way of getting at issues underlying climate change: the need to rebuild in ways that take ecology, economy, infrastructure and weather uncertainty into account.
    mantras is: “We need to use the future as a reference, not the past.”
    Oddball
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    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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    ORLI

    I believe ORLI (operation resilient long island) is one of the most active group up to now to really push forward some amazing design responses in regards to Hurricane Superstorm SANDY disasters. They also organised a design competition for the revival of Long-Island, which resulted in awesome design responses from students and professionals around the world http://http://www.3ccompetition.org/ .
    ORLI is a student-led grassroots committee of architecture, interior design, and construction management students from New York Institute of Technology. With campuses in Manhattan and Long Island, some of the students were directly affected by the storm. The committee exists as a collaborative response to Super-storm Sandy, founded to explore and develop methods to aid local communities by finding long-term resilient building and design solutions. http://http://www.longisland.com/bus...ng-island.html

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    New York Times article -

    Building for the Next Big Storm
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/ny...ef=todayspaper

    this month, the City Planning Department published a 57-page guide, “Retrofitting Buildings for Flood Risk,”
    with instructional case studies on various building types: bungalows, attached two-family homes with garages, mixed-use mid-rise walk-ups.
    Oddball
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    Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
    Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
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    Are you sure you're not hurt ?
    No. Just some parts wake up faster than others.
    Broke parts take a little longer, though.
    From Electric Horseman (1979)

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