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Poll results: Do you care about the government shutdown

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  • Yes, it's embarrassing

    18 36.73%
  • Yes, I am a non- essential federal employee

    3 6.12%
  • Yes, i needed to get a new passport

    0 0%
  • Yes, those greedy dirty rotten bastards, all of them

    1 2.04%
  • Yes, the GOP sucks

    9 18.37%
  • Yes, but ACA sucks, so do what ya gotta do

    0 0%
  • No, I don't need Federal servicing anytime soon

    0 0%
  • No, Obama needed to call their bluff

    0 0%
  • No, the GOP needed to call Obama's bluff

    2 4.08%
  • No, whatever

    3 6.12%
  • I am still recovering from The Breaking Bad finale

    1 2.04%
  • I don't live in the USA and I find all this odd

    2 4.08%
  • Government, shut it down, man! Yeah!

    0 0%
  • Wait, what?

    1 2.04%
  • Other

    2 4.08%
  • This BS would probably have been avoided if Congress didn't get their paycheck

    7 14.29%
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    Quote Originally posted by btrage View post
    Sorry, maybe I'm just angry because people "ignore" me on Cyburbia.
    You will always be ignored because you are a middle aged white man.. no one feels your pain. :p
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    Empathy isn't everybody's thing, apparently. (It happened to me, so it should happen to everyone else, and they should just all shut up about it?? What bizarre, irrational thinking.)

    Anyway, my thoughts are with all those folks who are out of work, those who live paycheck-to-paycheck.

    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.

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    Roughly 75% of my workload disappeared at 12:01 am yesterday. I'm facing having to eat some unpaid time off (my father's health issues have killed by vacation balance over the last few months (he ain't dying, but ain't pretty)) if the folks in DC (I'm looking at both sides here) can't grow up and get this settled by the weekend.

    Quote Originally posted by reimaginethis View post
    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.
    Easy, now...this is vaguely insulting to me...
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    Quote Originally posted by reimaginethis View post
    Empathy isn't everybody's thing, apparently. (It happened to me, so it should happen to everyone else, and they should just all shut up about it?? What bizarre, irrational thinking.)
    I wish the chest-bumpers on this forum would show some empathy. nrschmid- you might be the most narcissistic person I have ever encountered, either in real life or on the internet. Get over yourself bro.

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    Two cousins without a paycheck as of yesterday. One of them posts on FB that she was trying to find a way to explain the shutdown to her 6 year old and told him 'it's like you have two kids that run a race where one loses fair and square but then that kid decides we aren't going to run races anymore'
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    Quote Originally posted by reimaginethis View post

    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.
    I guess that includes Ohio for example - the batshit crazy congressmen don't all come from Texas, but they do have a'plenty.



    My-feelings - I think it's all been said here already. There is such as disconnect between the DC congressman and the average citizen. Their high & mighty posturing does not help anyone but themselves. Remember their first job is to get re-elected based on their own little (gerrymandered) constitute group. It's really depressing in that regard.

    FYI-NC's own Rep. Patrick (Napoleon Complex) McHenry - never has held a job other than politics. Moved to a district as a long-term Rep was retiring so he could run for the vacant seat. Set up "a real estate business" but never opened for business or turned on his phone. Campaigned heavily and negatively. Elected and re-elected. But here's the interesting part - has been able to purchase a couple big Lake Norman houses, mountain property, etc. (but never had a real job). Disconnected, I think so.
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    Nothing earth shaking for me . . . . yet, but yesterday evening we tried to walk the dogs on the C&O Canal towpath and a nice ranger politely informed us that we couldn't access the park until the shutdown was over. This morning I tried to look up some census stuff, but that site is down for the duration. Good times, good times.
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    Quote Originally posted by reimaginethis View post
    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.
    I'd be careful about over generalizing the South. There are plenty of good people here. It's the crazy ones that get the bad rap. Plus there are Northern and Great Lakes states that would fit your definition.
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    Quote Originally posted by nrschmid View post
    Gee I only had a 20% paycut at my first private-sector job right after I earned by AICP, so I was making far less than when I started at the company. Oh yeah, and then 4 months later I was laid off. THEN over the next 2 1/2 years I was laid off again TWO more time in two other states, nearly lost the shirt off my back and had to start over just like millions of other Americans. I am supposed to sit here and feel sorry that some federal employees are going without paychecks for a few days or weeks. DEAL WITH IT
    I understand that you have had an interesting career path, but one person getting laid off because of a bad employer is not quite the same as hundreds of thousands of employees and services across many different departments and entities being suspended as a result of a few random politicians that can't get it together. It's a frustrating situation, regardless of the trials and tribulations others have experienced.
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    Quote Originally posted by kjel View post
    This is helping my grant writing. Not.

    www.census.gov
    i don't understand this. the data is already there. the servers are already there. what does not having staff have to do with the website shutting down? heck, I have a livejournal I made when I was 15 that is still online after 16 years of not being touched.

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    I understand that you have had an interesting career path, but one person getting laid off because of a bad employer is not quite the same as hundreds of thousands of employees and services across many different departments and entities being suspended as a result of a few random politicians that can't get it together. It's a frustrating situation, regardless of the trials and tribulations others have experienced

    Well, the country views federal employees in a category onto themselves, separate from corporate jobs and probably most public sector jobs including state government jobs. Federal job offers are extremely difficult to earn, and I assume they should be very difficult to furlough. So when things like this happen, the media and general public take it far more seriously than other types of mass layoffs. I don't understand why it is set up like that, but it is what it is.

    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.

    I agree, and Texas is working very hard on doing that alone . We created most of the jobs during this "recovery" anyway.
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    Quote Originally posted by paiste13 View post
    i don't understand this. the data is already there. the servers are already there. what does not having staff have to do with the website shutting down? heck, I have a livejournal I made when I was 15 that is still online after 16 years of not being touched.
    I was wondering the same thing. The data is already online and the government is still incurring a cost with the servers running the site, telling everyone the Census Bureau is closed, although I guess the cost is lower than if the site was up and running (more traffic = more costs in terms of bandwith etc.)

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    When I logged on, I planned to vote "Yes" to more than one poll answer.
    But since only one poll answer could be chosen, I voted "Other".

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    nrschmid:
    How do you fee about:

    - Enemies of the U.S. being aware of the 70% cuts in army intelligence services? (Ted Cruz is very concerned about this.)

    - The shutdown possibly further imperiling the credit rating of the U.S.?

    - An extended government shutdown probably leading to U.S and global economic decline?
    ... and that economic decline would, among other things, lead to stock market declines; which would translate to declines in 401K and other savings & retirement plans?

    - Wall Street execs currently making big bucks on this shutdown via hedge funds, options trading, etc.?

    These questions are not meant to be confrontational; I really am interested in your answers.

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    Quote Originally posted by nrschmid View post
    I understand that you have had an interesting career path, but one person getting laid off because of a bad employer is not quite the same as hundreds of thousands of employees and services across many different departments and entities being suspended as a result of a few random politicians that can't get it together. It's a frustrating situation, regardless of the trials and tribulations others have experienced

    Well, the country views federal employees in a category onto themselves, separate from corporate jobs and probably most public sector jobs including state government jobs. Federal job offers are extremely difficult to earn, and I assume they should be very difficult to furlough. So when things like this happen, the media and general public take it far more seriously than other types of mass layoffs. I don't understand why it is set up like that, but it is what it is.
    .
    The fact that about a million federal employees are furloughed is, by itself, not really the major concern. It's a shame that it's happening and that some people say things like "deal with it", but it 's not the main concern. The other thing missing from your perspective is that many of the federal employees not furloughed will still work, but many of those having to work just won't be paid. Deal with it I guess.

    But even then that's not the main issue. This will cost economic growth at a time we can hardly afford it. Absolutely it will decrease the gdp.

    It also reduces so much of the services that make the country run well. National parks are closed- meaning a huge loss for my community that relies on the tourism we get. Food inspectors , ag inspectors, census and weather data is limited.

    Data, information, funding, cooperation, and so many other things that are critical to what we do as planners is unavailable to us. Hurting our communities. The fact that you don't seem to understand that these things are critical to planning is curious.
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    Quote Originally posted by reimaginethis View post


    As for the Republicans, I wish they would take their Southern states and just secede already. They could have their very own third world country of gun-toting cowboys, I could move out, and we would all be very happy.
    I am assuming you are speaking of Texas, as Florida hasn't really had "cowboys" since the crackers many decades ago. Texas is not part of the South. You have just insulted the South and probably Texas, too.

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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    I am assuming you are speaking of Texas, as Florida hasn't really had "cowboys" since the crackers many decades ago. Texas is not part of the South. You have just insulted the South and probably Texas, too.
    Texas is definitely part of the South, as far as a cultural definition. Florida was a culturally "southern" state at one time, but it is no longer one.

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    No, ZG is right, Texas is not part of the South, so I apologize.

    Quote Originally posted by imaplanner View post
    The fact that about a million federal employees are furloughed is, by itself, not really the major concern. It's a shame that it's happening and that some people say things like "deal with it", but it 's not the main concern. The other thing missing from your perspective is that many of the federal employees not furloughed will still work, but many of those having to work just won't be paid. Deal with it I guess.

    But even then that's not the main issue. This will cost economic growth at a time we can hardly afford it. Absolutely it will decrease the gdp.

    It also reduces so much of the services that make the country run well. National parks are closed- meaning a huge loss for my community that relies on the tourism we get. Food inspectors , ag inspectors, census and weather data is limited.

    Data, information, funding, cooperation, and so many other things that are critical to what we do as planners is unavailable to us. Hurting our communities. The fact that you don't seem to understand that these things are critical to planning is curious.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/fa...n-parties.html

    It's very hard for me to feel sorry for these people when I read a story like this, but hey I'm not a union member either, like over 60% of federal employees.
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    Quote Originally posted by nrschmid View post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/fa...n-parties.html

    It's very hard for me to feel sorry for these people when I read a story like this, but hey I'm not a union member either, like over 60% of federal employees.


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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Texas is definitely part of the South, as far as a cultural definition. Florida was a culturally "southern" state at one time, but it is no longer one.
    South FL (except the keys) is no longer Southern; Boca Raton is Jersey and lonk island. The rest of FL is Southern. You people who don't live here don't have a clue. Most of FL inland of Miami and Naples, and northward except for the big cities like Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville, is rural and small towns. I've always lived here, so maybe I know? But that's another thread.

    Texas is NOT southern. Never has been, never will be.

    Which means, thank goodness, we can't possibly be connected to Rick Perry (who has to correct his wife on abortion, what a wuss); unfortunately we are stuck with Marco Rubio but at least he's 1, 000 miles away from us.

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    I think it is interesting to see what the federal government calls essential and non-essential. I also don't understand why outdoor monuments are being closed.... Like the WWII monument. Something makes me think that some of the closures are political.
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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    I think it is interesting to see what the federal government calls essential and non-essential. I also don't understand why outdoor monuments are being closed.... Like the WWII monument. Something makes me think that some of the closures are political.
    Aren't they still paying people to tell people its closed?

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    I see stories like this, where park rangers had to temporarily shut down a search for a missing hiker:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...missing-hiker/

    Good going, Congress!

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    Quote Originally posted by michaelskis View post
    I think it is interesting to see what the federal government calls essential and non-essential. I also don't understand why outdoor monuments are being closed.... Like the WWII monument. Something makes me think that some of the closures are political.
    Liability issues, security, etc.
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    Quote Originally posted by Zoning Goddess View post
    South FL (except the keys) is no longer Southern; Boca Raton is Jersey and lonk island. The rest of FL is Southern. You people who don't live here don't have a clue. Most of FL inland of Miami and Naples, and northward except for the big cities like Orlando, Tampa, and Jacksonville, is rural and small towns. I've always lived here, so maybe I know? But that's another thread.
    Ok, so except for the major metropolitan areas of the state where 80% of the population lives FL is still southern. Got it.

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    Quote Originally posted by hilldweller View post
    Ok, so except for the major metropolitan areas of the state where 80% of the population lives FL is still southern. Got it.
    You are acting like an ass. The vast majority of the acreage in FL is in citrus, cattle, agriculture, and small towns. Your supposition is like saying all of New York State is NYC (ask Tasman how that's working for him).

    I have no idea why everyone defines FL by Miami and Orlando (much as I love Orlando).

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