Government Shut down, do you care?

[michaelskis]

That is the most feeble and convoluted attempt at logic I have ever seen-congrats you win the prize.

Sometimes what it doesn't say is as telling as what it does say. Trying to prove something didn't happen is a bit more difficult than proving that something did.

[Whose Yur Planner]

Sometimes what it doesn't say is as telling as what it does say. Trying to prove something didn't happen is a bit more difficult than proving that something did.

Try again, your logic still doesn't make sense. People don't say a lot of things. That doesn't mean you can read whatever you want to into what they didn't say. It comes close to tin hattery. Absent of non verbal cues or intentional irony, you take things as they are presented.

[Duke Of Dystopia]

Try again, your logic still doesn't make sense. People don't say a lot of things. That doesn't mean you can read whatever you want to into what they didn't say. It comes close to tin hattery. Absent of non verbal cues or intentional irony, you take things as they are presented.

He he he, .... He claims to be a planner who would protect taxpayer money, yet he would allow the creation of a superfund clean up site in his neighbors yard. There is no logic, decency, or ethical system to which you can appeal.

[rcgplanner]

Sometimes what it doesn't say is as telling as what it does say. Trying to prove something didn't happen is a bit more difficult than proving that something did.

Otherwise known as making sh*t up to fit your preconceived storyline.

[hilldweller]

Obviously the GOP is 100% responsible for the shutdown happening, but I think that Obama is trying and make it as painful as possible to score political points. Why do state parks have to close if the vast majority of the funding comes not from the feds but from the state itself? Apparently the WI Governor is bucking the feds by keeping some parks open, parks that are largely paid for by state taxpayers. Sounds reasonable to me. I want to know if Obama is ordering parks closed across the states or if he is just targeting the parks in states with Republican Governors. And I still don't buy the argument that these federal websites need to be inoperable due to security threats. This is public information and it shouldn't be held hostage due to politics or by federal employee unions, whatever the situation may be.

[chupacabra]

State parks in Alaska are all open. It's just national parks that are closed. I'm not sure how the federal government could even do that. Link?

[chupacabra]

And I still don't buy the argument that these federal websites need to be inoperable due to security threats.

I agree with you there. Some of the only people still working in my agency are the IT nerds. It could be that they have shut down the central server farms but more likely it's political showboating.

[chupacabra]

I looked around online, and here in AK there's a river (the Kenai, and right now is primo trout fishing time) that is co-managed by the state, the USFS, and USFWS. The federal agencies own and manage most of the launch points and they are all open.

[imaplanner]

Obviously the GOP is 100% responsible for the shutdown happening, but I think that Obama is trying and make it as painful as possible to score political points. Why do state parks have to close if the vast majority of the funding comes not from the feds but from the state itself? Apparently the WI Governor is bucking the feds by keeping some parks open, parks that are largely paid for by state taxpayers. Sounds reasonable to me. I want to know if Obama is ordering parks closed across the states or if he is just targeting the parks in states with Republican Governors. And I still don't buy the argument that these federal websites need to be inoperable due to security threats. This is public information and it shouldn't be held hostage due to politics or by federal employee unions, whatever the situation may be.

All of our state parks are open so I'm not sure what you are talking about. if some states have state parks that are operated by the feds or have some split funding the it would be more complicated then just assigning blame to one actor in this thing, there should be a MOU identifying who is responsible for what aspects of the park operation and liability that should control these sort of things.

[imaplanner]

I agree with you there. Some of the only people still working in my agency are the IT nerds. It could be that they have shut down the central server farms but more likely it's political showboating.

I would think alot of it depends on who hosts the servers. With no funding the servers of many agencies may need to be shut down, not to mention with noone to address the probably daily hackers they deal with? It certainly is not out of the realm of possibility that its a political decision, nearly everything is nowadays, but I'm no so inclined to immediately assume the worst of motives.

[btrage]

I'm starting to get the feeling that this government shutdown is the final chapter in a decade long (2003 - present) political stand-off.

I see this is the last real stand of both the tea party and neoconservative movements. If this movement has its way, our country will go on with this rule of the minority for many years to come. However, I think the Democrats and Obama see this as the final nail in the coffin and are going to hold firm. It's going to be ugly short term, but the rule of rational people will return. I hope.

[imaplanner]

I see this is the last real stand of both the tea party and neoconservative movements. If this movement has its way, our country will go on with this rule of the minority for many years to come. However, I think the Democrats and Obama see this as the final nail in the coffin and are going to hold firm. It's going to be ugly short term, but the rule of rational people will return. I hope.

I dunno rage. I hope so, but I'm pessimistic. We have a two party system and one party has completely given up any attempt at rational thought and consistent policy positions. And they have an entire media system that allows their followers to bury their heads in the sand. When republican politicians can say things on Fox News like Obama is the one shutting the government down because he wont give us what we want even though we dont know what we want, and Fox news runs with that being all the fault of the president who hates America, and people like skis eats up that completely illogical argument, well I think we are fucked as a country.

[JNA]

At least the National Weather Service is still on the job.