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    Cyburbian Emeritus Chet's avatar
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    PlannerGirl, duck and cover!

    What the F is going on out there?!

    Pretty sad commentary on society when everyday citizens need kevlar vests.

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    Yeah, scary thing is that this guy is using a .223 meaning most likely an AR-15. Pretty damn accurate out to about 1,000 yards with just iron sights. I've never shot one with a scope, but I gotta imagine with a Leupold on top you could get pretty deadly.

    Only good thing is that a .223 is pretty much a junk round, used by the military so we can pop off 1,000s of rounds at a time while still being cost consious Once you get out around the 500 yard line that round has lost so much velocity and is blown around so much by the wind that you really need to know what you are doing out at those ranges.

    Sadly, the guy is probably a Marine. "We train the world's best marksmen" ya know.

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    I am actualy pretty damn freaked-my "dear" ex husband was a marine scout sniper and he had vowd to kill me when i left his abusive life.

    i KNOW what kinda sick freak is out there runing around killing folks. though the guy seems to have lost his edge, fewer killings and the last 2 he did not kill.

    im watching for a white feather. everything i learned from my ex to avoid being shot im now doing-lol i walk in zig zagy lines like im drunk and its SO annoying.

    DC is soooo much fun right now, terrorists, "snipers" west nile and hey we got malaria now too....whheeeeee!

    Im keeping me and my wild red hair out of sight for a white *or is that sights?*
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    Looking for a "White Feather" now htere's someone who knows their killing!

    A real sniper would never use a .223 though. Goes against the whole "One Shot, One Kill" thing. You need a Winchester Model 70 .30-06 to do some real damage.

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    lol yes

    im an avid reader and everything my ex had in the house i poor'd over-it also helped my "thing" is the geography of terrorism. LONG before it was "cool"

    Heck at the AAG meeting i was the only woman not a wife etc in a military geography meeting. all the men in uniforms looked down at the little woman. wonder why i was never added to the e-list...

    anyway side note there but yes there is one sick sick man out there-hurting kids is horrible and id like to do things to my myself but pray the cops find him fast

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    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    I'm going to agree with Mike DeVouno. Any military-trained sniper is going to use a .30 cal. The M-16 or AR-15 is just a gun wanna-be military folk use to "look cool." It is not accurate enough, or efficient in a sniper situation. This guy is probably not military-trained, or if so, it is doubtful that he would have had any of the training received by elite groups like snipers, Rangers, Special Forces, etc.

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    I read this morning that they found a shell casing 140 yards out from where the kid going to school was shot. That isn't even close to sniper range. Hell, that's 60 yards short of the closest range Marines qualify at.

    This could be anyone now I think. Someone who never fired a weapon before in their life could hit a target at 140 yards with an AR-15 or M16A2 if the dope on the rifle was remotely close to what it should be.

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    Michael,
    I beg to differ. Under even rough conditions with a semi-bull barrel, the M-16 A2b version and match grade ammo are very accurate. I have personally employed that very combination in desert lands against the enemies of my state and his equipment. We used that combo and Charles Daily scopes to shoot thousands of un-exploded submunitions. Those critters can shoot back. And each is the size of a soup can or smaller. After some practice we were shooting them from the back of a Hummer at 100 to 300 meters with good terminal effect. Some smaller submunitions the size of film canisters were shot at 30 meters.

    What really scares me is what happens when the same or a newer nut job upgrades to a Barrett .50 Cal and tries the same game?

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    Originally posted by El Guapo
    Michael,

    What really scares me is what happens when the same or a newer nut job upgrades to a Barrett .50 Cal and tries the same game?

    I'd guess they would be easier to identify if that was the case, I can't imagine there are too many of those around at the price they ask....

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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    The M-16 or AR-15 is just a gun wanna-be military folk use to "look cool." It is not accurate enough,
    Sorry, I forgot to disagree with you on that, and looks like El Guap beat me to it.

    I (and most other Marines) could turn your head into a pink mist at 500 yards with that rifle using just iron sights. (Don't know about the other services).

    In fact the M16A2 and Ar15 are two of the most accurate weapons known to man, due to the fact that you can make dope adjustments so easily on the weapon.

    Snipers int he military, police etc. use the heavier round because they are shooting at distances sometimes around the 1,000 yard range, and the .223 just isn't going to kill anything at that range.

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    Originally posted by Mike DeVuono


    Sorry, I forgot to disagree with you on that, and looks like El Guap beat me to it.

    I (and most other Marines) could turn your head into a pink mist at 500 yards with that rifle using just iron sights. (Don't know about the other services).

    In fact the M16A2 and Ar15 are two of the most accurate weapons known to man, due to the fact that you can make dope adjustments so easily on the weapon.

    Snipers int he military, police etc. use the heavier round because they are shooting at distances sometimes around the 1,000 yard range, and the .223 just isn't going to kill anything at that range.
    Yeah, in my Army days I spent a lot of time with the M16A2. For close distances, even at 500 meters, it could do a decent job. The Army being far superior to the Marines, I could find a number of grunts that could shoot it well. But at a distance it is no match for the .30 cal, or for El Guapo's .50 cal Baretta. No self-respecting sniper would choose an AR-15.

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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf


    The Army being far superior to the Marines,
    A - Ain't
    R- Ready to be
    M- Marines
    Y- Yet


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    M - My
    A - Ass
    R - Rides
    I - In
    N - Navy
    E - Equipment

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    Profiler

    We all agree on the technical issues. I want to play profiler for a second.

    My guess is this guy (maybe a buddy team) is a rural/small town white guy not from DC who is less than 35 years old with a high school education. He/they couldn't get into or were dismissed from the service for less than stellar performance, but not for physical reasons. He/they may have some sort of sexual dysfunction, and is probably a daily Marijuana user, and probable cigarette smoker. He/They feel they got a raw deal in life and have had a series of low pay/low responsibility jobs. Both will be above average in intelligence, and both will have had minor or “stupid” brushed with the law. Possibly the stronger one will have ADHD or be bi-polar. The lesser one will be described by his peers as a follower throughout his life of a strong friend. If it is a buddy team they will have only been friends a few years. I think that like the Anthrax killer, they just felt this was a good time to screw with the nation that didn't live up to their expectations. I bet that both still live at home with a single, older mother, and both work nights at a the same or similar menial jobs. Also, one of them is from a strong religious background.

    Now when they capture or kill these guys we’ll see if I was even in the ball park.

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    The profile sounds good. You know, when we learn who he/they are, the news shows will interview their neighbors, who will say, "This is such a shock. He was so quiet/nice/blah" It's always the quiet ones.

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    The Profile : A Counterpoint

    The perp is a middle aged female. She is slightly overweight, most noteably with "bub-eye arms". She has one or more tatoos of a decidedly "butch" nature (the jolly roger, a dog paw print or the like). Chain smoker, probably Pall Malls or the discount brand available at the Cigarette Depot. A College drop out with dual incomplete majors in Civil Engineering an Womens Studies. Discharged from the univiersity's ROTC (Army Corps of Engineers track) program due to a combination of poor math skills, social dysfunction and personal hygene. Hates men. Hates women, especially the Martha Stewart craft store type. Hates high school students with math skills superior to her own.

    Yeah, I got you beat on this one, EG...

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    My ADHD bubbas vs. your Indigo Girl on Whoppers ! You're on!

    Has anyone else noticed that this is kind of sick, betting on a profile and all?

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    Doesn't smoke cigarettes because there are no butts at his perch. I believe this is a middle-aged white guy married with kids (no shootings on the weekend due to family commitments). The note they just found "I am god" portrays someone on a power trip. Someone who tried to get into a positions of "power" or one that "plays god" but he didn't get in or didn't last long. Like the military, medical field maybe?

    He's getting very bold. Any idiot with half a brain knows that by attempting to clip a kid outside his school was going to bring about the biggest manhunt outside of the one for Bin Laden.

    Could this be a little mimmicking of the "White Feather" ? He's taunting the PD to catch him.

    For those who don't know, Carlos Hathcock, a MARINE (not Army) sniper in Vietnam had a very large price on his head. He wore a white feather in his boonie cap to give the NVA a little help in trying to find him.

    He doesn't smoke pot, possibly doesn't even drink. These shootings have been occuring in prime hangover time. And if he was a drunk, chances are he would've been pulled over before and the van everyone is looking for would be on record somewhere.

    I think he is from the area. The shootings are occuring too frequently for him not to be. And if he was staying in a hotel somone would have noiticed him by now.

    He may be unemployed right now, but his family thinks he's in work still. So they have no idea he's out whacking people during the day. Another reason why I think he is from the area. I think he is a family man and his family would notice him gone.

    I think he is alone too. It's just to easy to screw up with a partner. And the note "I" am god.

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    What if one of the victims was not a random target, and the rest were to cover up that killing....

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    Originally posted by Mike DeVuono
    The note they just found "I am god" portrays someone on a power trip.
    Well we can rule out God, because He wouldn't use a .223, and the price of a Barret .50 would be no object to Him.

    (Waiting for lightning bolt...)

    Does this make me sicker than you guys taking bets on profiles?
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    Yes.

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    Damn, you're right.

    Tried to take it back, but I can't now. Stupid delete won't work for me.
    Last edited by El Feo; 09 Oct 2002 at 12:57 PM.
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    Its sick and upsetting as hell. i live here its all thats on the TV, radio and everyones mind

    but im headed down to the mall to go explore the city and have lunch with my man

    try to take the edge of the post interview jumpyness

    let the sniper take a shot at me-he better kill me coz hes hinny would be hunted like a dog in a hen house.

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    Originally posted by giff57
    What if one of the victims was not a random target, and the rest were to cover up that killing....
    I'd wondered about that too, but now don't they think a shooting from Sept 14th might have been done by the same guy? That would seem to be WAY too far in advance for this latest spree to be a cover. Has anybody else heard if they'd connected that earlier shooting to the most recent ones yet?
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    God is certainly behind this, every bit as much as when he sent terrorists to punish America by killing thousands of innocent people or when he killed off my favorite begonia. (Sorry, just competing for sickest.) So how long before Pat Robertson or Billy Graham or one of the others says that these latest victims were being punished, or were sacrificed so that 'God' could show how displeased 'he' is with whatever or whoever?

    My guess: male in his 20's; likely had some military training but washed out somewhere along the line and is deeply troubled by it; no wife or kids and does not do well with women, who he feels are inferior to men; high school education and not very bright; works a menial job and may be second or third shift; thinks he is better than everybody and blames others or the system for his many failures. Hopefully caught very soon.

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