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    Unpopular or unorthodox beliefs you hold

    Do you hold any unpopular or unorthodox views? I mean, REALLY unpopular or unorthodox. Among the many I hold are the following:

    1) Eugenics: those with severe physical or mental handicaps should not be allowed to reproduce.

    2) Equality has been achieved: the US federal government should perform a study, and after the appropriate findings, issue an edict stating that there are no longer any rules, regulations or laws that are in any way discriminatory against minorities; the government did everything it could do to end racism. If someone feels that The Man is holding them back, that man, at least, isn't a federal, state or local government agency.
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    I beleive that the War on Terror is really a War on Islam, but The Feds won't admit it for fear of the repercussions.

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    I agree with both of those.

    Here's my real kicker:

    Women and men are inherantly different - Sure, you might laugh and say "no kidding", but when it comes to some roles in society, we often put the square peg in the round hole. (No double entendre intended.) I've seen fire and police departments hire female canidates over male canidates to make sure they meet a real or perceived quota.

    Can women handle being a firefighter? Sure... I know women who can kick your *** and take your lunch money. But, I would expect them to take the EXACT same exam, and pass the EXACT same physical qualifications... and be better than the next canidate regardless of gender. I won't speak on the military issue since I haven't served myself, but I have good friends who certainly would.

    I know this view might not be popular with alot of women, but if you were trapped in a burning building, would you like to have someone come to your rescue that could drag you out?
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    I never understood the broohaha over the Beatles or Elvis with their average talent.

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    I think men and women are NOT the same, i have the same brains but as you say Mastiff the physical is not the same.

    I dont want something based on some quota i want to earn it myself, i got the brains, the brass...things etc to get what i want out of life but i still demand to be treated like a lady. Just as id treat a man like a gentleman.

    I think everyone is born who they are, sexuality, gender, gender identification etc are not made but born and that there are 7 different genders *by chromosomes*

    Many American products are not up to par with imports-some of our workers have gotten very lazy and unions seem to have too much power in some areas (i dont get the dock workers mess)

    The average person does not seem to have the ability to grasph their voting rights or how they can change the world around them. Idiots with out the ability to think for themselves make me question voting rights-but then im conflicted on that. idiots should not be able to vote but then who decides whos the idiots?

    Im sure there are more give me time
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    Women on welfare should be required to take birth control. I would argue the same for men but there is no "pill" or "patch" for men...if one is invented, it should also be required. You can hand out all the condoms you want, there is no guarantee that they will use them. I would say that vasectomys would be appropriate, but they are difficult to reverse.

    I believe that we should stop any and all anti-smoking campaigns in the US. EVERYBODY knows that smoking is bad for you, yet every state, the federal govenment, and local governments spend millions of dollars sending out anti-smoking messages that people do not listen to. Teaching kids the dangers of smoking is the responsibility of the parents, not the government. If you have health issues related to your smoking, your insurance company should not have to pay a dime for any smoking-related health costs.

    I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and money. I support government sponsored/supported treatment programs, but anti-drug programs like DARE do nothing to stop kids from taking drugs, yet millions are spent on them every year. Drug education is also the responsibility of the parents, not the government.
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    There are some interesting opinions here. I'll weigh in in the wo/man thing first. We are absolutely different, both physically and mentally. Men and women think differently. Both are different, so enjoy the differences and stop trying to make everyone the same!

    Physically, let me add a comment on the military. Everyone has to take and pass a physical fitness test. But the women have to do far less then the men. Assume that the reason the military promotes physical fitness is that it wants assurances that its personnel can perform the physical labor associated with a job, and so that they can fight. Should we just hope that our female fighting men will only be matched up against the other side's women? Not likely. I would advocate for a single test standard (no alternate scores based on gender or age) and classify military jobs according to how high a physical fitness test score you need.

    Now for my own addition to the list. I am not that fond of democracy. Too many idiots get to vote, and the only thing worse than them are the people they elect. Still, a benevolent dictatorship being unlikely, I am not willing to give democracy up, unless I am the dictator.

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    Staying out of the political....

    I don't consider golf, bowling, or auto racing to be sports.
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    Not a flame

    Most comprehensive urban planners are unnecessary. Comprehensive planning doesn't require a specialized degree.

    I think most of us on this forum would be better named "urban (or rural) land use admistrators" instead of "planners."

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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    Now for my own addition to the list. I am not that fond of democracy. Too many idiots get to vote, and the only thing worse than them are the people they elect. Still, a benevolent dictatorship being unlikely, I am not willing to give democracy up, unless I am the dictator.
    Perhaps a "vote test"? It doesn't have to be much... But if you have no clue on an issue, how can you cast a reasonable vote? The same with canidates... if you can't identify their stand on particular issues, you cannot cast a vote for them.

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    RU486 in the Coke (soda, pop) ... population control without prejduce.

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    more on the military

    Women should be given combat roles if they are going to be in the military. Nothing pisses me off more than having tax dollars fund women at Top Gun - for what? So it looks good?

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    Great Thread Dan:

    1. Mandatory Driving reexaminations/tests for those over 65, perhaps every two years after that.

    2. Legalize Marijuana, then tax the *&%# out of it.

    3. Ban all legalized descrimination (affirmative action).

    4. What's wrong with a war on Islam?

    5. Planners should be requuired to memorize the 5th amendment and abide by the founders original intent.

    6. Death Penalty for parking Violations (Steve Martin: Let's Get Small).

    Oh and Planderella, the Elvis and Beatles thing...that's funny.
    Last edited by NHPlanner; 21 Nov 2006 at 1:36 PM.

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    Allow more imigrants, or for that matter anyone that wants to come, into the country. It's what america was founded on, will initially keep wages low due to increased competition for jobs, and will give us the masses of armed militia we'll need when the Red Menace comes a knockin'.

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    Damn everyone stole my thunder before I got a chance to post...anyway here goes:

    Death penalty for those guilty of driving slow in the left lane.

    Tubal ligation for any woman who wants welfare.

    Pop quiz at the voting machines.

    Driver retest.

    School vouchers

    Holiday on Veteran's Day only for Veterans...or at least all veterans plus everyone else that already gets a day off because we sacrificed 4+ years of our lives in service to our Country.

    Mandatory military service for every able-bodied male

    Free college tuition (we give everything else out)

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    religious groups should not be permitted to give money to political parties or candidates
    to be able to tell the religious radical right to go to hell with out them saying its "discrimination"
    for folks to realize its freedom OF religion and not freedom FROM or FOR

    election day should be a holiday or some such to get folks to vote-public transport free to polling places

    if you don't vote you have to keep your trap shut

    Take the drug control money and put it into voting reform and education-teach kids how to vote and get them excited at a young age.
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    Well one of the main reasons I have come to like message boards is that I can agree with an upopular belief and not get beat up.

    Though I know this, That absolutely a woman can be an excellent leader of both men and women.

    And I voted today, but why am I voting for University reagents and trustees? who are these people and why are my taxes supporting their offices?

    I voted for Michigan's constitutional amendment proposal that would change how tobacco settlement monies are distributed. Give the money back to hospitals and clinics that are treating people for smoking diseases- It won't pass I'm sure.anyway

    Right now a lot of the money is given away as MEAP scholoarships. Which I am not against a little seed money for enticing HS grads to higher learning. But BAH! The universities are so rich, it seems to me they could scale back their ivory towers some.

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    Originally posted by jtfortin
    Women on welfare should be required to take birth control. I would argue the same for men but there is no "pill" or "patch" for men...if one is invented, it should also be required. You can hand out all the condoms you want, there is no guarantee that they will use them. I would say that vasectomys would be appropriate, but they are difficult to reverse.
    I could not agree with you more. I've always thought that, you get your check, you bend over and get your depo shot. I do not have children because I make sure I take the precautions, I shouldn't have to pay for other people to have children. When you can fend for two, without government assistance, then you can have the baby.

    I also agree with Dan:
    1) Eugenics: those with severe physical or mental handicaps should not be allowed to reproduce.

    I also think that there are some idiots that should be seen and not heard. The media should be round up and shot- I don't think protecting some druggie pop star's death record is more important than letting the public know exactly what we're planning to do. Could we give it away a little more?

    Some people shouldn't be allowed to wear shoes, just the stupid people. No shoes, no service. I'd like to be able to pick them out before they walk up to me.

    I'm a woman, not disabled, don't treat me like I'm second class. I'm one of the ones that could kick you ***, take your lunch money.
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    1) Handouts to homeless/street people only encourage them to remain on the streets.

    2) Those convicted of criminal offences should have most of their civil (not human) rights suspended - no voting, no TV, etc.

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    Unorthodox Beliefs

    I believe the Bengals are going to win the Super Bowl this year! (Is that unorthodox enough?)
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    I agree - interesting thread, Dan.

    Voting/our democracy - I think the system does a pretty darn good job. The vote/no vote decision is fairly successfully self selecting, IMHO. The lazy and the stupid don't vote, more often than not. All that being said, my unorthodox belief is that all bitching aside, our system is working pretty well.

    Some others that you guys have made me think of:

    1. If women want to serve in combat roles, then all females should have to register for selective service, just like I did.

    2. Planderella, thank God it's not just me on the Beatles thing. I kind of like some Elvis, though, if only for the cheesiness.

    3. I'm down with legalizing marijuana. Mainly it's so our farmers can grow the stuff for its many industrial and textile uses without gettin' hassled by the man, though. No. Seriously.
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    The USA has to stop giving so much foreign aid, especially to countrys which do not support our imperialistic aspirations. The Philipines? C'mon, with all the $ we throw at them they should be a STATE. Same with Guam and Puerto Rico - join us as states or stop suckling at our financial t*t.

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    Originally posted by TexasPlanner
    I'm one of the ones that could kick you ***, take your lunch money.
    Promises... promises...
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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    I am not that fond of democracy. Too many idiots get to vote, and the only thing worse than them are the people they elect. Still, a benevolent dictatorship being unlikely, I am not willing to give democracy up, unless I am the dictator.
    I'm all for the benevolent dictorship - but sorry mikey, that positions all filled by me already... I also believe that the practice of anexing other countries should be reintroduced. Hey, if you are to slapgat to protect your country the jokes on you.

    Secondly, I believe that public/community participation has just gone too far. Much like voting you should have to past a test to participate in public particpation. Responding to comments telling me that a new hospital with metropolitan as well as local benefit should not be permitted because of dust during construction is just not a valuable use of five years of study.

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