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    Eric: Elvis only became chessy in the late 70's when he went Vegas and was eating those fried peanut butter and egg sandwiches.

    here is one more: I think we should drastically halt immigration today, here's an idea for us planners--how about an immigration moratorium until we can develop sound policy. We kill two birds with one stone: stop sprawl and stop terrorists.

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    I agree about public participation having gone too far. How do you like going to meetings to discuss ideas and getting bitched out because the map shows property lines that may or may not be off by 10-15 feet., and we are talking about a map that shows 3000 parcels of land at a scale of 1:50 000.


    The other belief I have that gets me in trouble all of the time is that I have to treat people with respect and be polite to them, regardless of how they treat me. I'll only take so much for so long then all bets are off. Specifically, being cursed at. The number of people I have hung up on or asked to leave is pretty long.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Wow... a lot of good opinions...

    I must have not been paying attention when this thread came around, because I'm jumping on the bandwagon pretty late in the game here. I pretty much agree with a lot of these, but I tend to flip-flop.

    Minority Quotas -- I got the short end of the stick on this one when I applied for undergrad acceptance to UCLA and didn't get in with my 4.1 GPA. My classmate with a 2.9 did (quota, for sure). I have been bitter about this for 15 years, so I know it clouds my judgement.

    Genetics -- As PG said: "I think everyone is born who they are, sexuality, gender, gender identification etc are not made but born and that there are 7 different genders *by chromosomes*." I second this!

    Voting -- I like someone's idea here about a test for voting. I think people should know enough about our government to understand who they are voting into office and why. If I don't know about an proposition or a political office, I simply don't vote on that issue. I don't think I've ever voted on a County School Superintendent, mostly because I didn't have the time to really review the candidates with so many other ballot measures to keep up on.

    While I'm on the subject of voting... I'm not keen on the electoral college. I think it's time is up. There have been numerous times where an electoral vote was either used for a different candidate in the same election or for a write-in candidate, as well as the numerous times candidates have won the popular vote but not the electoral vote. I say give everyone the same opportunity to have their vote mean something.

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    Re: Wow... a lot of good opinions...

    Originally posted by nerudite
    Genetics -- As PG said: "I think everyone is born who they are, sexuality, gender, gender identification etc are not made but born and that there are 7 different genders *by chromosomes*." I second this!
    Umm, slightly OT, and not being up on my genetics, what are the seven?

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    xx, xy, yy, y, x, xyx, yxy

    i THINK thats it but checking now...more info to come

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    Originally posted by nerudite
    While I'm on the subject of voting... I'm not keen on the electoral college. I think it's time is up. There have been numerous times where an electoral vote was either used for a different candidate in the same election or for a write-in candidate, as well as the numerous times candidates have won the popular vote but not the electoral vote. I say give everyone the same opportunity to have their vote mean something.
    Have to disagree with you on that one, Nerudite. I'll go to war to keep the Electoral College. It prevents sectional candidates from winning - plain and simple. I bet everybody would appreciate it more if, say, in 2004 David Duke won every eligible vote in the South, and a scant 5% everywhere else, but was still President by virtue of winning the "popular vote."

    I guess another unorthodox view I hold is that it's GOOD we don't live in a pure democracy.

    Originally posted by PlannerGirl
    xx, xy, yy, y, x, xyx, yxy

    i THINK thats it but checking now...more info to come

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    Are "x" and "y" just six foot, bipedal sperms? I can' say I've ever seen one of those walking down the street. I'm curious to see pictures, though!
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    Originally posted by bturk


    Umm, slightly OT, and not being up on my genetics, what are the seven?
    Let's see... I don't know if I can remember them all: feminine, masculine, androgynous, transsexual, cross-dresser, eunuchs, etc. I can find the doctor that coined the terms. I don't remember the actual chromosome make-up.

    I guess what I was trying to say (and maybe PlannerGirl won't agree here), is that it isn't just male/female any more... there are so many variables and that they are genetic. I'm sick of people saying that someone "chooses" to be _______ (gay, straight, etc.)... when in my opinion it's something you are born with.

    Originally posted by El Feo


    Have to disagree with you on that one, Nerudite. I'll go to war to keep the Electoral College. It prevents sectional candidates from winning - plain and simple. I bet everybody would appreciate it more if, say, in 2004 David Duke won every eligible vote in the South, and a scant 5% everywhere else, but was still President by virtue of winning the "popular vote."

    I guess another unorthodox view I hold is that it's GOOD we don't live in a pure democracy.
    Yeah, it's one of my more unpopular opinions.

    Up here in Canada where there is no death penalty, I think that my support of that issue is a big no-no too. Not that I was ever popular in that regard with my fellow democrats.
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    Hummmm....

    I did this once already. See: http://www.cyburbia.org/forums/showt...ht=my+platform

    My only additional unconventional belief:. I believe that Jane Fonda should be arrested for treason, given a fair trial, and then hung by the neck until dead.

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    The extra or missing X and Y tend to lead to problems, downs syndrome etc. Its actually such an issue that there are papers out there asking the Olympics to change their genetic testing for events because some of the women have male markers though they are women.

    the boy and girl box just don't fit to many anymore-I went to school with a few Transsexuals and one hermaphrodite (did I spell that right?) they were always lamenting their problems.
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    Originally posted by Mastiff


    Promises... promises...
    Well, I'm not sure if I'd take your lunch money- you helped me scare the pee out of my neighbor. : )

    I thought of another one, but may not be too unorthodox- ban HOAs, they give me headaches and don't really do much but not let us hang the American flag outside of our home..
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    Re: Unorthodox Beliefs

    Originally posted by statler
    I believe the Bengals are going to win the Super Bowl this year! (Is that unorthodox enough?)
    Whoa! Pass some of what you're smoking this way!

    My unorthodox belief? I hate watching any and all sports on TV, except soccer. The last sporting event I watched from start to finish on the tube was the final Women's World Cup match against China.

    Oh, and I watched the Ball State "miracle at Maui" game against Duke.

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    I believe that Michael and Latoya Jackson are one and the same person.

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    Originally posted by SW MI Planner
    I believe that Michael and Latoya Jackson are one and the same person.
    OMG, I've been saying that for years!!!!!!! LOLOL

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    OMG, I've been saying that for years!!!!!!! LOLOL
    See, I am not as halfbaked as me thinks!! (I tried doing the quote thing...have to see if it works)

    On a serious note, and only because I can ((hopefully)) say this without getting flamed, I have a BIG problem with immigration. My great-great grandfather and mother came here from Germany in 1881. So yah, they immigrated. BUT they struggled to get the heck out of Germany, and worked their arses off to survive once they got here. He farmed a lot of land, starting out with very very little and over time accumulated a lot of land. He also became very politically involved. He didn't intend to come here being a German living in America. Dammit (can I say that?), they learned english, and actually *became* Americans.

    Maybe its not so much immigration I have a problem with, but the yahoos that come to this country and take advantage of it. Won't learn to speak the language, won't learn to drive, won't learn to respect those that are proud to be here.

    Maybe it should be illegal to speak anything but English. Maybe, like on Ellis Island, they should have tests before letting people land on our shores. Can't speak English...sorry, back on the boat.

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    Interesting range of opinions. I am ashamed to admit my tolerance for most forms of dogmatic religion is very limited. "What's wrong with a War on Islam" is sadly my opinion, too. Fundamental incompatibility here with modern Western liberal values..

    A REALLY BAD OPINION: I think that when Karl Marx was warning about the "Opiate of the People" he was really talking about professional sports. I HATE Pro Sports. I would never vote for a stadium, I have no interest at all in the doings of the drugged-up Uberfrankensteins of the moment. I mean, is some guy playing a kid's game really WORTH millions per year? (I know he/she are subjecting their bodies to damage, etc. etc., but still)

    SW Michigan: Don't know about where you live, but out here in the west, if you've got hard physical labor to be done, it ain't the All American Salt of the Earth doing it. Its the immigrant labor. There aren't THAT many abandoning their native villages for the lush life of the welfare dependent American ghettos, anecdotal evidence aside. If you want to talk about carrying capacity (running out of water, air pollution, sprawl consuming farmland), that's another matter. I don't buy the lazy immigrant scenario.

    And, I might point out. Drive around Chicago or many of the immigrant-dominated cities of the late 19th/early 20th century. Horrors! Look at all that Polish writing! What are those newspapers in Polish and Ukranian doing here? This is AMERICA!

    (Note: I think bilingual education was a flop for everyone but the bilingual experts themselves. Still, you are fooling yourself if you think that early immigrants didn't preserve their language for the first generation or two)
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    The Roman Catholic Church/Vatican needs to wake up and get with the times. Their doctrine is incredibly outdated - I'm willing to bet that 90-95% of today's Catholics have broken SEVERAL of those doctrines and are going straight to hell (by Vatican standards) because of it. I'm incredibly pissed that the Vatican refuses to believe and/or acknowledge the fact that some of their beloved men of the cloth are capable of sexually molesting their parishioners (especially the children).

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    To build on what jtfortin and TexasPlanner said : southern white trash should never be permitted to reproduce.

    Anyone caught driving 10 miles or more below the speed limit should be dragged from their car and shot. (I live in a state with an above-average number of "polygrips" who don't have a clue about actual driving).

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    Originally posted by PlannerGirl
    I went to school with a few Transsexuals and one hermaphrodite (did I spell that right?) they were always lamenting on their problems.
    Do you mean that cats were dying?

    (Sorry, I had to revive the dead cat theme. It hasn't shown up in a while.)

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    Originally posted by Planderella
    The Roman Catholic Church/Vatican needs to wake up and get with the times. Their doctrine is incredibly outdated - I'm willing to bet that 90-95% of today's Catholics have broken SEVERAL of those doctrines and are going straight to hell (by Vatican standards) because of it. I'm incredibly pissed that the Vatican refuses to believe and/or acknowledge the fact that some of their beloved men of the cloth are capable of sexually molesting their parishioners (especially the children).
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    BKM....Easy tiger!

    Reread my post - I never once said immigrants were lazy. On the same token, I refuse to believe that all immigrants work their asses off. There is a difference between those that come to this country for the hell of it and those that come here to work.

    Maybe its not so much immigration I have a problem with, but the yahoos that come to this country and take advantage of it. Won't learn to speak the language, won't learn to drive, won't learn to respect those that are proud to be here.
    Like I already said, it's not so much the whole immigration issue, but the fact that there are those people that don't appreciate the ability to be here, and they take advantage of it. It's the jackasses that drive around in the high dollar SUV's, acting like their crap don't stink, being rude to everyone around them, and act like we owe them something. They get pissed because we don't understand what the heck they are saying. I think it takes big cahones and is extremely disrespectful to move to some country and not attempt to learn their language. When you are in another country, YOU (not *you* but you know what I mean) need to adapt, not make them adapt to you. I feel strongly about this...if your going to be here, learn to speak our language.

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    OK, SW Mich. Maybe I misread your post (I do tend to do that an awful lot ).

    I don't have that much patience, either, with those who make no effort to learn a host country's language. I'm not sure that this is that common a problem, though. And, most SUV drivers are all American Yuppies, at least out herre. Not sure how you link immigrants and bad driving skills in politically incorrect vehicles (A major pet peeve of mine as well. Can I add "Hate SUVs" to the list of unpopular opinions?)

    The point of my second post was that first and to a lesser extent second generation of immigrant households tend to retain language and culture-for obvious reasons. By the third generation, the kids are pretty much American-for good and bad (lazy kids listening to degenerate rap music and "dissing" the elders )

    As for Mexican American culture, my point above still holds-but in the southwest/west, the infusion is so large and the source country so close that the host culture is changing. There will be a steady regional evolution towards a new culture. As any anthropologist would tell you, borders and cultures are never static. Demographics means change will come.

    That is reality, and I'm not sure its all bad. Pat Buchanan is wrong and his rants are futile. The cultural ferment is why I much prefer California to the culture where I grew up (Fort Wayne, Indiana) I mean, come on. Which would you prefer-macaroni salad and hamburgers or carne asada and good Thai food? I know my answer, despite the problems and dislocations.

    Gosh, this thread is way too serious.

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    Fort Wayne, Indiana???? I am a mere 45 minute drive north on I-69. (For all of those not from this area, that is so not a sexual comment, position, etc.)

    I probably shouldn't admit that...your probably thinking to yourself "What the hell is this girl talking about as she lives in a small hick town where half the people still wear banana clips and peg their pants - she doesn't know what the heck she's talking about". I actually have only been here a short time - before that I lived in southeast Michigan for ten years, before that was Saginaw Michigan (born and raised baby!).

    I honestly try really hard to not make generalizations. My friends make fun at me because I am the most PC person ever. It was hard to try to explain what I was thinking without it coming out all wrong. When it comes right down to it, I have a big problem with anyone that drives high dollar vehicles, is rude, arrogant, and disrespectful...regardless of ethnicity. ((The language thing does piss me off though))

    Which would you prefer-macaroni salad and hamburgers carne asada and good Thai food
    That should be the next poll
    Honestly... I'd rather have the macaroni salad and hamburgers. I am a meat and potato girl!! Actually, just really really picky and don't like much of anything.

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    crap! i can't believe that i missed all this just by having election day off! ok, here's my big, unorthodox belief:

    Along with flouride, there should be birth control provided in the public water supply to everyone. In order to procreate, a woman simply has to write a letter to whatever agency is controlling this program that expresses she would like to get pregnant and could she please have the bc taken out of her water. The only qualification is that she cannot be on public assistance and she has participated in a basic parenting course. She must also have either the agreement of the prospective father, or else waive any and all claims of ever receiving child support.

    My reasoning is that I really believe that so many societal problems are caused by women having children before they are ready and then not being able to take care of their children or are not willing to take care of their children. This would also have the side benefit of removing 99% of the whole abortion controversy out of the light of day, since no woman would find herself accidentally pregnant.

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    Originally posted by Journeymouse
    [*]Ireland belongs to the Irish, dammit. If the Unionists are so determined to be 'English', maybe they should move over this side of the Irish Sea. And this round isn't 'our' fault, 'we' were invited
    I take back all the prior hostility. Please forgive me. You are the cat's meow.

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