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    Originally posted by Zoning Goddess
    To build on what jtfortin and TexasPlanner said : southern white trash should never be permitted to reproduce.
    Hey now, I come from a long line of Southern white trash! I will, however, admit to being horrified by many of my relatives...

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    On the other hand, a united Ireland in the UK does have a certion appeal. Basically, the (central) UK government should have found it's fluffy liberal devolution streak about 100 years ago. And it should have been nicer to the countries it took over. The whole removal of anything but English / pseudo-British heritage really p.es me off. Especially when I'm in a bad mood to start with...

    It's okay. I'll go sit in the corner and fume quietly.
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    Originally posted by plannerkat


    Hey now, I come from a long line of Southern white trash! I will, however, admit to being horrified by many of my relatives...
    I am in the same circumstance... but I understand the need to control their population. My dad's half of the family comes from Dan's "town next door", I'm sure of it. I'll sign them up for experimental birth control. In fact... If you want a good laugh at my expense, here is my cousin's website. (It has some topless chicks at various Harley rallys like Sturgis... so don't click on this if you are at work).

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    Originally posted by Mastiff


    Do you like the movie "Dogma"?
    I haven't seen it yet. I'll get around to it one of these days.......

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    Planderella - you have to watch that movie!!! And it's not just 'cuz Selma Hyek's in it either.

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    OMG Dogma rocks! Its a must see!

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    Originally posted by Tranplanner
    Planderella - you have to watch that movie!!! And it's not just 'cuz Selma Hyek's in it either.
    No... it's because Jason Lee's in it. Yum!

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    Originally posted by Tranplanner
    Planderella - you have to watch that movie!!! And it's not just 'cuz Selma Hyek's in it either.
    I agree. The "Buddy Christ" is worth the price of rental alone for a Catholic... and Chris Rock is perfect as Rufus.

    I bought the special edition DVD, and the out takes and commentary are just outstanding.

    RENT IT!

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    Re: I'm a smart ass!

    Originally posted by BKM
    And, I might point out. Drive around Chicago or many of the immigrant-dominated cities of the late 19th/early 20th century. Horrors! Look at all that Polish writing! What are those newspapers in Polish and Ukranian doing here? This is AMERICA!
    The difference, though, is that Poland, Italy, and the Ukranian Republic are thousands of kilometers from the United States, separated by very wide bodies of water. However, most cities in Mexico are just a one or two day drive from the US border. I see lots of Jalisco and Chihuahua license plates in Florida. I haven't seen a license plate from Virtnam or Ethiopia yet. It's easier to hold on to your native culture and stay unassimilated when it's so close to your new home.

    Another unpopular belief ... I think that some ethnic groups are slower to assimilate into mainstream Anglo-North American culture than others. Go to any large city in the Eastern US, and you'll discover that the characters portrayed on The Sopranos aren't that far off from reality. Yup, you still see third and fourth generation Italian-Americans speaking Italianglish, brag constantly about thier Italian roots, tell their kids that they're disinherited if they date someone whose great grandparents didn't arrive in this country on the same boat that their great grandparents did, and so on. Kids still get named Gino, Guido, Rocco, Maria, Vinnie, and so on. You don't see the same intensity of ethnicity, for lack of a better phrase, among Swedes in Minnesota or Germans in St. Louis.
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    Re: Re: I'm a smart ass!

    Originally posted by Dan
    ....You don't see the same intensity of ethnicity, for lack of a better phrase, among Swedes in Minnesota or Germans in St. Louis.
    You are absolutely right. A third-generation American, like my other Northern European neighbors, I have completely given up all vestiges of my German heritage. Only American for me!

    Now I'm off to the EssenHaus for a kartopfelpuffer, some rouladen or bratwurst, followed by a couple mugs of Kostritzer Schwartz and pretzels, while I listen to some guy on an accodian playing polkas....

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    Immigration

    Dan: See my comments re: the latinification of the western United States. I acknowledged that.

    Absent a Maginot Line and an ethnic police state, I don't see any easy way to stop demographic inevitability.

    Without crossing the line too far into ethnic stereotyping, maybe some cultures, being more family-oriented, are somehow more resistent to assimilation. Plus, in both Italian and Mexican-American cultures, the demographic flow is/was musch stronger and larger.

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    Just come out and say it

    This thread is starting to turn ugly. First subdued homophobia on other threads, now racism, xenophobia, and most of all elitism. No matter what the discussion it always comes down to elitism.

    Who the hell do you want to work at McDonalds, Kmart, and drive OTR trucks? All you with master's degrees? Somebody's gotta do the shit work. I do agree immigrants need to have a basic assimilation, but they'll never be as white as you want them to be. You can take the mexican out of mexico, but you can't take mexico out of the mexican.

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    Originally posted by Tranplanner
    1) Handouts to homeless/street people only encourage them to remain on the streets.
    How about just ending the majority of the homeless problem:

    REinstitutionalize the mentally ill.
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    Re: Just come out and say it

    Originally posted by mugbub1
    Who the hell do you want to work at McDonalds, Kmart, and drive OTR trucks?
    Hey, now... It's YOU who's looking for a new line of work, not us.
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    Re: Just come out and say it

    Originally posted by mugbub1
    This thread is starting to turn ugly. First subdued homophobia on other threads, now racism, xenophobia, and most of all elitism. No matter what the discussion it always comes down to elitism.

    rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm)
    n.
    The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
    Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

    xen·o·phobe Pronunciation Key (zn-fb, zn-)
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    A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

    e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
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    The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

    The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
    Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

    Stop feeling inferior, if you weren't so self concious you could take the discussion with a grain of salt without getting your leather chaps in a bunch.
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    Originally posted by bturk
    The USA has to stop giving so much foreign aid, especially to countrys which do not support our imperialistic aspirations. The Philipines? C'mon, with all the $ we throw at them they should be a STATE. Same with Guam and Puerto Rico - join us as states or stop suckling at our financial t*t.
    A good point but not the best examples, especially so with the Philippines. I remember when they requested on the order of $150 million per year for our two largest, and probably best located, west Pacific air force and naval bases. At the same time Israel and Egypt were collecting billions per year. Instead of paying the "chicken scratch" (as far as the federal budget goes) for the bases we packed up our toys and went home. Talk about cutting off ones nose to spite the face...

    Comparatively speaking, we don't throw much money at all towards the Philippines...
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    Plus, given that our heroic soldiers killed upwards of 100,000 civillians, doesn't that mean we at least OWE them a little bit of money for blood guilt? Our very own mini-Kosovo, pushed by all the yellow journalism, war-mongering newspapers (the Rush Limbaughs of their day) and nobody talks about it very much anymore.

    Mugbub: Relax. You are a little histronic. And, given my penchant for ranting, THAT is quite a comment.

    Besides, the homophobia wasn't exactly hidden.

    I've never understood the concept of "conservative planners." Shouldn't you all just be developers or something? "Get the government out of my property rights!"

    JUST KIDDING!
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    I just KNEW this was going to happen...

    I think Dan started this thread more as a way for us to "come out of the closet" so to speak, without fear of being slagged for a particular opinion we might hold.

    Hold off on the critisisms here, or maybe start a new thread if there is a topic here you feel strongly about...

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    Re: Re: Phillipines

    Originally posted by BKM
    Plus, given that our heroic soldiers killed upwards of 100,000 civillians, doesn't that mean we at least OWE them a little bit of money for blood guilt? Our very own mini-Kosovo, pushed by all the yellow journalism, war-mongering newspapers (the Rush Limbaughs of their day) and nobody talks about it very much anymore.
    Someone's been reading Howard Zinn again, haven't they?

    Seriously, point well taken, BKM, but I tend to think we're all even up after kicking out Japan. You have to admit, while there may be a tragic delay, we do tend to acknowledge our wrongs and try to right them. Admittedly, we have some wrongs to right still.
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    El Feo: Believe it or not, I agree with you We usually at least talk about doing the right thing. Most empires just snatch and grap with no compunction beyond "White Man's Burden to educate the savages" kind of rhetoric. The Phillipines case was pretty bad, though. That's what made me a little reflexive reactive.

    I am always a little annoyed with the smugness of current European "progressive" thought. I mean, come on, this is the continent that brought us world-spanning colonialism, two world wars, fanatical religions (like the 100 Years War and the Inquisition-and Communism). They have a right to complain about "cowboy presidents"? (Not that I don't agree with them, I just find them irritating

    There is nothing wrong with debating these beliefs, is there? I don't think anyone of us is so much of a shrinking wallflower that we can't take a little criticism.

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    Another unpopular view.

    I believe an Islamic nuke will go off in a major US city or Israel in the next five years and all then you won't be able to find anyone that wasn't for war back in the day (NOW) with Iraq, except Susan Sarandon and Mrs Tim Sarandon, and maybe Woody Harrelson.

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    Re: Just come out and say it

    Originally posted by mugbub1
    This thread is starting to turn ugly. First subdued homophobia on other threads, now racism, xenophobia, and most of all elitism. No matter what the discussion it always comes down to elitism.
    Muggie, don't get upset just becasue we're better than you.

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    Sorry, Guap.

    That bombs gonna go off even if/after the American puppet government is established in Iraq, despite the 5,000 Amercan casualties.

    I think the point of rational skeptics is that Iraq is not the problem, and that the whole Iraq debacle is based on petty personal and economic politics by the Shrub junta and to divert attention from the developing disasters in Afghanistan (and Pakistan.)

    Unless you are channeling the Ancient Athenians and you really think we can "take over" the entire Middle East?

    I agree with you that Sarandon and Harrelson are not exactly rational sources of political thought

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    Originally posted by BKM
    Sorry, Guap.

    That bombs gonna go off even if/after the American puppet government is established in Iraq, despite the 5,000 Amercan casualties.
    I agree that the upcoming war may not stop it. But it will force the boys to find other sources of funding, yield intellligence, and put some healthy fear into the Middle East. I don't think we should take over and install a puppet government. I'm for &^%$& up the place and then leaving.

    PS Are you sure of those 50,000 dead GI's? That's what they said last time. They were off by what, 49,832?

    PPS Slick Willy shoots what, 50 ALCM's and SLCM's at 5 targets to divert attention from that Fat Gal gobblin his knob and he according to all left of Arlen Specter he was a noble man doing what is best for his country? WTF? But when we burry 2900 innocents suddenly Bushy is droppin' tha hamma for Daddy? It don't work that way. I believe the man is doing what he thinks is right.

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    Re: MAYBE

    Originally posted by El Guapo


    I agree that the upcoming war may not stop it. But it will force the boys to find other sources of funding, yield intellligence, and put some healthy fear into the Middle East. I don't think we should take over and install a puppet government. I'm for &^%$& up the place and then leaving.

    PS Are you sure of those 50,000 dead GI's? That's what they said last time. They were off by what, 49,832?
    And as long as They make a cheesy dramatic war movie staring Owen Wilson, we Americans will sleep well at night.

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