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  • Its the end of the world as we know it.

    5 22.73%
  • I will survive these next two years

    10 45.45%
  • We was robbed.

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  • Its a good thing.

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    Cyburbian Wannaplan?'s avatar
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    I'm a bit dismayed by the dominance of Republicanism at the national level. I take solace in the fact that Jennifer Granholm, a Democrat, will be our next Governor here in Michigan. Having said that, I must admit that I did not vote in this election. Having been a lifelong Democrat who has always voted straight-ticket and never voted for a Republican, I must also admit that I am tired of big politics, negative ads, and the Democratic Party. What exactly is the Democratic Party about anyway? Where are the articulate, non-whiney, and believable leaders in this party? Why do we come across as a bunch of waffling wimps who don't know what we stand for? The Democratic Party is in a sad state of affairs. Until I understand what they are about, I am giving up voting. No sense in casting a ballot that I cannot believe in, ya know?

    By the way, the turmoil I feel for the Democratic Party in no reflects any desire to join the Republican Party. Don't try to convert me or try to sell me the virtues of good ol' American conservatism. It ain't gonna work on me! If anything, I now understand why so many Democrats voted for Nader in 2000. Personally, I think the man is way too far to the left, and to this day, I still don't understand his appeal and how he became such a catalyst for inspiration in 2000. What I do understand, however, is the desire to vote for something other than the condescending crap candidates that both the Democrats and Republicans cough-up for each election. None of them speak to me, and its the same rhetoric and snappy one-liners year after year. Perhaps I have now become a dreadful cynic. But then again, I do have hope.

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    Originally posted by Tranplanner
    I don't tend to vote along party lines, I try to find the best candidate.

    Not always easy to do around here.
    It's too hard to vote along party lines up here (IMO)... there are so many parties with so much overlap. And half the time it sounds like the various elected officials in the parties don't agree on things either. It's all so confusing...

    If you know of a good book or website that explains it all, I would like to read up more on the myriad parties up here. The only party I can remember the stance of right now is the National Marijuana Party.

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    Originally posted by El Feo


    Give up all your beer, and yes, I must ruefully admit, your donuts, and this conflict might still be avoided...
    I'll personally lead your troups to all the Tim Horton's in my area... as long as you take all the Starbucks back too.

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    Sorry.

    Originally posted by Beaner
    ...Having said that, I must admit that I did not vote in this election...
    Whoops, I couldn't read a thing after that line.......

    Voting earns you the Privilege to bitch.

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    Originally posted by Beaner
    What exactly is the Democratic Party about anyway?
    Welfare and unemployment for everyone & a union for everything.

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    Originally posted by Mike DeVuono


    Welfare and unemployment for everyone & a union for everything.
    So then the GOP is for rich white men?

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    Dittos, Beaner. (See, I am adjusting already to the new regime. Hail Rush!)

    You have expressed a lot of my opinions. What DOES the Democratic Party really believe in? Is New Deal Liberalism so exhausted that we can only parrot a feeble, exhausted "me-too" copy of Republican Party conservatism? Heck, they may not want to admit it, but Bill Clinton was a great Republican president-from a policy perspective.

    A great book I would recommend: False Dawn, by a former Thatcherite. No solutions or easy answers, but an excellent discussion about why I will never be a purist conservative free marketer. (The book points out how unconservative the republican right is in the US.)

    Although he really didn't deserve it, Gray Davis won in Cali (gag me with a spoon!-but anybody but Simon), George Miller (D) was reelected (neutral), and a democrat was sent to the House (Wolk).

    Most importantly, our local Utility Tax passed, so I will HOPEFULLY not be unemployed this year Thank God, because you know how good the economy is doing under the Great Helmsman and Crew.

    BACK TO WORK!

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    Meet the new boss - same as the old boss

    I'd feel a lot better about the next couple of years if I didn't think congress was ready to engage in an orgy of ill-considered actions bent on addressing every perceived wound at the hands of the party at the other side of the middle of the raod.

    Here's just a taste of what we have to look forward to:
    http://www.theonion.com/onion3841/re..._campaign.html

    If politicians in general werem't such a pathetic lot it would be hard to laugh about it.

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    This is more a local rant than a national one. What the hell is all of this lower taxes BS. Every one says they want lower taxes and more services... How the hell does that work? It's like they think we all by $300 pencils or something. The whole town was PO'd because we put new carpet in city hall. Never mind that the strings from the old one were being cut out of the vacum every night for 4 years. We have not raised our tax asking for many years, so with inflation we actually have less to work with. Do people just not get it?

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    nerudite said:

    It's too hard to vote along party lines up here (IMO)...
    We are all confused too.

    Tell me about it. What do you do when the party runs a moron candidate for your rep, but you support the party, or has a really good local rep but a moron leader that you can't stand?

    As for differentiating the parties, good luck. they all seem to fiscally conservative (or responsible). The moral stance is NDP left with PRIDE Liberals, centre let things be. Progressive Conservatives - centre right/small "c"conservative, Bloq - parlez vous francias, c'est bon, Alliance / Reform - Newt would be proud.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Originally posted by nerudite
    I'm afraid... I'm very afraid.
    Second that. The Republican party that I know now seems to have leanings that are far to the right of the party of Ike and Reagan, and IMHO, the majority of Republicans I know.

    Another IMHO ... the Democrats did this to themselves. Republicans started attacking the left when their other nemesis, communism, became moot in the early 1990s. The Dems responded by leaning to the right to grab the center, helping push the Republicans even further to the right. The Dems weren't true to their cause, and in the end it was their demise.

    I hate to say this, but the way this country is going, with its increasing arrogance and anti-social action (i.e. refusal to sign international treaties, execution of children, and so on), the US is going to be the world's pariah nation in five to ten years. Think 1970s Rhodesia or 1980s South Africa.
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    Re: Sorry.

    Originally posted by El Guapo
    Whoops, I couldn't read a thing after that line.......

    Voting earns you the Privilege to bitch.
    Hey Grumps.

    Other than saying "I'm a bit dismayed by the dominance of Republicanism at the national level," notice that I wasn't bitching about any specific policies. Or any specific candidate. My comments were rather general, and in terms of specifics, notice I was highly critical of the Democratic party.

    Regardless if I vote or not, I do have the right to bitch.

    Unfortunate that you tuned out so soon from my post.

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    What exactly is the Democratic Party about anyway? Where are the articulate, non-whiney, and believable leaders in this party? Why do we come across as a bunch of waffling wimps who don't know what we stand for?
    Beaner - do you think thats why Jennifer asks like such a stinken &@#$% - to try to *prove* otherwise? I didn't even want to vote for her.

    ((sorry if you like her - she just rubbed me the wrong way))

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    Originally posted by KMateja
    I don't know - when I was in Rochester, NY, it seemed that a Canadian invasion was already beginning - signs for their new Tim Horton's everywhere!
    is that a bad thing...remember...toronto looks like albany, but cleaner.
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    Originally posted by GeogPlanner


    is that a bad thing...rememer...toronto is looks like albany, but cleaner.
    Well, that and we don't have the giant egg thing.

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    Re: Re: Sorry.

    Originally posted by Beaner


    Hey Grumps.

    Other than saying "I'm a bit dismayed by the dominance of Republicanism at the national level," notice that I wasn't bitching about any specific policies. Or any specific candidate. My comments were rather general, and in terms of specifics, notice I was highly critical of the Democratic party.

    Regardless if I vote or not, I do have the right to bitch.

    Unfortunate that you tuned out so soon from my post.
    Sorry, I just thought you were rationalizing being to lazy too vote. Oh, wait, I'm not sorry.

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    Originally posted by Tranplanner


    Well, that and we don't have the giant egg thing.

    But The Egg (note the capitialization) made for a great billboard along I-787 around here promoting the Simpsons on Fox. Homer crouches over The Egg drooling: "Mmmmm...concrete egg!"
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    Originally posted by GeogPlanner



    But The Egg (note the capitialization) made for a great billboard along I-787 around here promoting the Simpsons on Fox. Homer crouches over The Egg drooling: "Mmmmm...concrete egg!"
    I missed that! hee. sadly, i'm one of "those suburbanites" who rarely ventures into the city, even though it's less than three miles away. although we did venture over to The Orchard for lunch yesterday to celebrate democracy with the best cream of mushroom soup in the city!

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    A couple of thoughts on the foregoing:

    If we all agree never to provide any link to the Onion, I won't provide any links to The National Review...

    Dan, you are usually quite reasonble but your last post was silly, the next Rhodesia, ha, Why does it offend you lib's to stand up for something...One of the reasons the dems got whupped so bad last night was that comments like Dan's and folks like McCaulliffe, Dashle et al. are so out of the main stream its laughable.

    One present teenager slams your premise: Mr. Malvo

    The tax thing: Just look at your pay stub. Its your money thats going to Washington, the statehouse and city hall. Its no one elses money. 30 to 50 percent of ones pay is too much. Again, way out of the mainstream with that thought. I think Fritz Mondale admitted he would raise taxes again. Oh, and he lost.

    Drone Technology. You wanna raise my taxes, ok, buy more drones. Very cool way of disposing of people who WILL KILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WHEN THEY GET THE CHANCE.

    Morning in America my Friends, Morning in America.

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    I agree with everything Beaner said except for not voting in this election. One thing I will never do is choose to not vote. Too many people died for me (and others as well) to have that right and I won't let their deaths be in vain.

    I have also become dissatisfied with the Democratic Party, but will never change parties. The thought of aligning myself with a party that has members like David Duke, John Cooksey, Trent Lott, et. al. sickens me right down to the core.

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    And the Party of Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, and Barney Frank doesn't?

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    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    And the Party of Al Sharpton, Hillary Clinton, and Barney Frank doesn't?
    Frankly, no. It doesn't.
    "Growth is inevitable and desirable, but destruction of community character is not. The question is not whether your part of the world is going to change. The question is how." -- Edward T. McMahon, The Conservation Fund

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    George, wondered when you were gonna come out to play!
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    Originally posted by Planderella
    I agree with everything Beaner said except for not voting in this election. One thing I will never do is choose to not vote. Too many people died for me (and others as well) to have that right and I won't let their deaths be in vain.

    I have also become dissatisfied with the Democratic Party, but will never change parties. The thought of aligning myself with a party that has members like David Duke, John Cooksey, Trent Lott, et. al. sickens me right down to the core.
    I'll give Beaner some credit, too. He is the first person I know to state a philosophical reason for not voting, instead of not doing so out of apathy or laziness. Voting for most of the candidates we seem to get stuck with is not easy. Still, I will always do it.

    I have always aligned myself with the Republicans but have been greatly disillusioned with them for some time now, perhaps beginning with the Newt. Most of them no longer represent my views, either fiscal or social. Democrats seem to do a marginally better job if that right now, so I will vote for some of them. That's right, I am no longer a straight-line party voter. Still, I am not pleased with either party. My hope has been that the current Republicans will be soundly defeated - thrown out of office - and a new generation of more moderate, more responsible Republican leaders with new ideas will rise up in their place. I think many Dems feel the same of their party.

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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    My hope has been that the current Republicans will be soundly defeated - thrown out of office - and a new generation of more moderate, more responsible Republican leaders with new ideas will rise up in their place. I think many Dems feel the same of their party.
    I would concur with Michael's sentiments. As a NH Democrat, you cannot be anything other than a middle to right leaner to get elected to anything in this state. I'd love to see both parties blur a bit more toward the center.
    "Growth is inevitable and desirable, but destruction of community character is not. The question is not whether your part of the world is going to change. The question is how." -- Edward T. McMahon, The Conservation Fund

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