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    Cyburbian Hawkeye66's avatar
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    I am not sure anyone would notice if many of the USDA programs were cut

    I have been working in a rural state and rural areas a lot of my career. I have only really worked with one project that used a USDA program. They fund very little generally here. I guess I do not feel angst over them getting cut for that reason. It really didn't do much for us anyway.

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    Are any of the rural development loan programs going away?

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    From https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whi...y2018/msar.pdf

    Major Savings and Reforms
    BUDGET OF THE U. S. GOVERNMENT
    Fiscal Year 2018


    Discretionary Eliminations and Reductions
    Department of Agriculture
    Conservation Operations.....
    Forest Service Land Acquisition....
    McGovern-Dole International Food for Education...
    Rural Business and Cooperative Service....
    Rural Development Salaries and Expenses....
    Rural Water and Waste Disposal Program Account...
    Single Family Housing Direct Loans......

    Mandatory Reforms
    Department of Agriculture
    Agricultural Marketing Service User Fee...
    Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service User Fee....
    Eliminate Interest Payments to Electric and Telecommunications Utilities....
    Eliminate the Rural Economic Development Program...
    Farm Bill Savings.....
    Food Safety and Inspection Service User Fee.....
    Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration User Fee....
    SNAP Reforms...
    SNAP Retailer Application Fee.....

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    I find most of the USDA programs go toward the really small towns. If you work in an area like me that has the ability to hire a planner you're too big for USDA. Like Hawkeye, I've done one project in my area, but you multiply projects like that for tiny towns across Kansas and I can see an effect. Projects I'm used to seeing are drinking water and sewer systems mostly.
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    I have attended meetings with them over the years. I would be interested to know the utilization of their programs. In a low interest rate environment, they really were not offering much in a lot of cases. You had to be pretty bad off Median Income wise as I recall.

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    I don't work directly with them because I am in an urban area too large. But my wife does housing work in rural areas and says the USDA programs are useful for affordable rural housing development, in lieu of tools like HOME.

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    HA!

    USDA grants are like seeing a unicorn in the distance....you know it can't be real....but you try to catch it anyway.
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    Quote Originally posted by The One View post
    USDA grants are like seeing a unicorn in the distance....you know it can't be real....but you try to catch it anyway.
    We we never did really try to catch it. They really didnt come around a whole lot and try to sell their programs. Their office was a few counties over and in three years in my current job they showed up once at a meeting to talk about housing. Almost no one in Iowa uses them to finance water or waste water projects. Its almost always the State of iowa's revolving loan fund. They don't really offer anything better, and just red tape.

    Maybe for the 1000 and under types its different.

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    Quote Originally posted by The One View post
    USDA grants are like seeing a unicorn in the distance....you know it can't be real....but you try to catch it anyway.
    Really? I got one for $50k last year and I'm applying for another one this year. It helps with a home rehabilitation program. Although we are getting too large, they are willing to use the census numbers so we are still eligible.


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    We are way too large for any of the programs in the proposed cuts, but I know that their home loan program is relatively popular for folks not too far from here.

    Beyond these programs though, I could see me feeling the effects of general cuts to staff at the USDA: The USDA employs a lot of PhD level economists and demographers (on par with the BLS and BEA) and their work provides the a good portion of the basis for a lot of the economic impact modeling and forecasting that I do as it trickles down to population and demographic movements in all geographies and production and GDP forecasts in many industries. Yes, the forecasts and models can go on without the input from the federal data sources but the accuracy and timeliness will suffer. If you use programs like REMI or IMPLAN, these could be adversely effected by staffing cuts at the federal level since they rely on a lot of that data as well.
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