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    Cyburbian Plus PlannerGirl's avatar
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    This is sad and disturbing

    Ok this is from the paper in Greensboro NC, I used to live there so read it online daily-this gives you some idea the mind set.

    http://www.newsandrecord.com/news/lo...ebsite27rk.htm

    So very disturbing...
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

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    You've got to be kidding me! The people running that website sound like morons. sigh.

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    Im flabergasted that the local GOP folks would knowingly let that stand for "months". Islam nor any major religious group is about hate-not anymore than the Catholics and the crusades.

    *sigh*

    Bush is all up in arms about Iraq and we have a much larger problem with N Korea brewing.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

    Remember this motto to live by: "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming 'WOO- HOO what a ride!'"

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    Narrow Minded Southerners! Oh wait - that was almost as bad!

    Seriously - It's on par with Senator Lott as far as I'm concerned.

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    I'll bite.

    While it is obviously wrong to place that on their website - I know a bunch of Moslems personally and I am truly underwhelmed by their uniformly meager outpouring of support on a variety of issues that all humanity is dealing with. Somebody had to say it. Now I'm off to Al Jazeera to apologize!

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    And I'll bite on the Bush-baiting.

    Bush is all up in arms about Iraq and we have a much larger problem with N Korea brewing.
    North Korea=nuclear power run by doddering madman. (Gee, thanks Bill J. Clinton and Jimmah Cahtah!)

    Iraq=aspiring nuclear power run by doddering madman. (Gee, thanks useless Bush I and Colin Powell!)

    IMHO, gotta make sure the horse that's in the barn's locked in there, before we go chasing after the one that's already out.

    In other words, one rogue nation at a time. Though I have no doubt the world'll bitch incoherently when we deal with that one, too.
    "The fanatical Muslims despise America because it's all lapdancing and gay porn; the secular Europeans despise America because it's all born-again Christians hung up on abortion; the anti-Semites despise America because it's controlled by Jews. Too Jewish, too Christian, too Godless, America is also too isolationist, except when it's too imperialist." -- Mark Steyn

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    Typical Republican engaging in religion-baiting. Of course, Democrats are just as stupid when it comes to mixing religion and politics. But they aren't crass enough to put something like that on a website.

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    I'll bite too

    Are we going to deny that there are a great many of those who worship this religion do in fact hate us, the freedom's we stand for, and wish to end our way of life at any opportunity.

    IMO that makes them evil.

    Someone want to point out to me the Great Islamic Democracy?


    I didn't think so.

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    Re: I'll bite too

    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    Someone want to point out to me the Great Islamic Democracy?
    Turkey.
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    Re: I'll bite too

    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    [B]Someone want to point out to me the Great Islamic Democracy?B]
    Elbonia. Don't forget Elbonia.

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    Re: I'll bite too

    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    Are we going to deny that there are a great many of those who worship this religion do in fact hate us, the freedom's we stand for, and wish to end our way of life at any opportunity.

    IMO that makes them evil.

    Someone want to point out to me the Great Islamic Democracy?


    I didn't think so.
    George - There are people of every kind of creed and religion that hate us, our government and our way of life. Was it Pat Robertson, or one of his ilk, that said 9/11 was a punishment to the US for our immoral way of life? You can't just paint a broad brush against the muslims because of the radical and horrible actions an extremist group.

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    A vocal minority make things hell for a whole group of folks that by in large are not out to hate anyone.

    if we blindly hate we are just as "guilty" as anyone else.

    thats whats "sad"
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

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    Re: Re: I'll bite too

    Originally posted by KMateja
    You can't just paint a broad brush against the muslims because of the radical and horrible actions an extremist group.
    Agreed. You can't categorize the citizens of the USA as evil because of people like Timothy McVeigh, the Unabomber, and Donald Rumsfeld.

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    Re: Re: I'll bite too

    Originally posted by Dan


    Turkey.
    Not to pick at nits, but Turkey is a democracy with a majority Islamic population, not an "Islamic democracy." Their 1996 elections caused a bit of a furor because though Turkey has traditionally been ardently and conspicuously secularist, self-proclaimed "Islamic traditionalists" of the Islamic Virtue Party (whose stated goal is imposition of sharia law) won 20% of the vote. Now, the Turkish courts have moved to shut the party down, and have had the ban upheld by the EU. They are SERIOUS about shielding the government from political Islam.

    I think George's point is that there's no such thing as an "Islamic state" that's a democracy.

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    Let me clarify before you throw me to the wolves.

    Dan: Point taken on Turkey. My point obviously is that its not exactly a long list.

    Kel/PG: At no point did I say I hate Muslims or believers of Islam. Do you remember after 9/11? Mass demonstrations in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, West Bank--thousands upon thousands of people celebrating the worst day in our history.

    Is the radical element still "radical" when it represents more than a small number?

    BTurk: Low blow on the Donald Rumsfeld thing. He may a other things, but evil? Don't think that's accurrate.

    Sorry to be so cemented on this one, but no hoping for peace love and understanding will replace the facts: The dictatorial Islamic states of the middle east represent the single greatest threat to our way of life.

    And by saying that, it does not mean I hate all Muslims.

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    Several websites I've read quote these passages to show that the Qu'ran does not believe in the things the "militant" Muslims do...

    "Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allah does not love transgressors." (Quran 2:190)

    "If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in Allah for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things." (Quran 8:61)

    But if you put them in context, you might see it a bit different.

    In Al Baqarah (2):

    "O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom."

    And there is life for you in retaliation, O men of understanding, that ye may ward off (evil). (Quran 2:178-179)


    In Al Anfaal (8):

    "And when those who disbelieve plot against thee to wound thee fatally, or to kill thee or to drive thee forth; they plot, but Allah plotteth; and Allah is the best of plotters." (Quran 8:30)

    "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do." (Quran 8:39)

    And here is the verse before 61, about "seeking peace"...

    "Make ready for them all thou canst of force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged." (Quran 8:60)

    I guess it doesn't seem very clear to me. In fact, it reads like much of the Old Testament. Someone mentioned the Crusades, but would a Catholic today march to war on the orders of the Pope? And how many of you Baptists or Methodists would strap up with explosives and hop a plane because your pastor encouraged it?

    Seems to me the "fundamentalists" of the western religions shoot doctors and bomb abortion clinics to save the unborn, but are generally spurned by reasonable people. It may simply be easier to gain influence over young, oppressed, poor men in middle eastern cultures... and explain that the Qu'ran expects them to kill people of the "evil empire".
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    update from web

    Update from the News & Record website

    http://www.newsandrecord.com/news/now/update27.htm

    Seems they got some heat and took it down.
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    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    BTurk: Low blow on the Donald Rumsfeld thing. He may a other things, but evil? Don't think that's accurrate.
    Really my point was that many people and associate our Country and the "American People" as evil because of the overall policies of the United States, and in his position, Mr. Rumsfeld is the figurehead that mouths those policies. My point was to suport Kel's statements that , You can't just paint a broad brush against the muslims because of the radical and horrible actions an extremist group. The same can be said for the American People. To those that support terrorism against the USA, we are the extremists!

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    Originally posted by Mastiff
    But if you put them in context, you might see it a bit different.
    Mastiff - the same can be done with The Bible!

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    Mastiff said: I guess it doesn't seem very clear to me. In fact, it reads like much of the Old Testament.

    Bturk said: Mastiff - the same can be done with The Bible!

    Mastiff says: Duh!


    P.S. I love the link...
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    I see everybody's point.

    I am just trying to prevent us from going down Moral Relativism boulevard. Who cares if "they" think we are extremists. We are not, we are right, and so is our way of life, defined by freedom and liberty.

    We should not apologize ever for being Right.

    Grouping Rumsfeld with the Unabomber and Tim McVeigh is just wrong.

    I gotta run, everybody, good discussion.

    I won't be in the office next week.

    Have a safe New years.

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    Originally posted by Mastiff
    Mastiff said: I guess it doesn't seem very clear to me. In fact, it reads like much of the Old Testament.

    Bturk said: Mastiff - the same can be done with The Bible!

    Mastiff says: Duh!


    P.S. I love the link...
    OOOPS- When I edited your quote I grabbed the wrong sentence. My bad...

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    Bin Laden did what he did because our military is on holy soil and Saudi gov. is a a US puppet. The whole kill America crew from arabia could care less if we watch porn all day and shoot up heroin, actually they would be very approving. Bin Laden's war is one of nationalistic purposes and of course Pan- Wahabiism for then Arabian peninsula.

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    Originally posted by bturk


    OOOPS- When I edited your quote I grabbed the wrong sentence. My bad...
    Hehehe... Just funnin' with ya.
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    Originally posted by gkmo62u
    The dictatorial Islamic states of the middle east represent the single greatest threat to our way of life.
    Didn't the proud leaders of the U S of A say the same thing about communism at one point prior to 1989?

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