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    A challenge ...

    There's plenty of Cyburbanites whose ideological outlook tends to lean towards the right. They watch Fox News, ditto Rush, and praise Ronnie. We planners tend to be pretty pink as a whole, so I'm glad to see the conservatives breathe some fresh air into the Cyburbia forum. Being a Democratic pragmatist whose thoughts can lean either left or right depending on the issue at hand, I appreciate being able to read and consider opinions from both sides of the fence.

    However, the liberals on Cyburbia don't publicize their politcal stance to the extent of the conservatives. I issue a challenge to the staunch liberals out there -- be proud of who you are, and what you stand for. We've got a Gipper avatar out there on Cyburbia. Here's one for one of you lefties to use. C'mon ... I dare you ...
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    C'mon ... go ahead ... you know you want to ...
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    What are you, chicken? Bawk bawk bawk bawk ...
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    Tell the world "he should have won!"
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    Maybe they can support this...

    Though cigar sales were resurrected by the last administration...this is the best thing associated with a Democrat's administration in the past 40 years...
    "Dear Prudence...won't you open up your eyes? "

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    Originally posted by Dan Tasman
    Tell the world "he should have won!"
    I'd rather tell the world the truth: "he did win." Let's re-elect him.

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    Originally posted by RichmondJake


    I'd rather tell the world the truth: "he did win." Let's re-elect him.
    Amen. Preach on brother Jake!

    I'm a liberal living in a conservative state....though it could be a lot worse....midwestern conservative politics scared the bejeezus out of me when I was in college.

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    Why?

    Why are you liberal democrats? There must be fundamental reasons....

    Are you compelled to have your nose in everyone's business? Do you believe people are inherently incapable of taking care of their own needs?

    In a two party system no one benefits. Sorry, but Nader and the Green Party were just a waste of time, resources, and fresh air. In Germany and the U.K., it takes coalitions, agreements, and compromise among the Parties to further political agendas. Not so in the U.S...so, it's an US vs. THEM syndrome that manifests in all of us...

    I personally beleive in less...less government and less beauracracy. After FDR's "100 DAys" the U.S. hasn't been the same. Suddenly the populace looked to the goverment to solve their problems...and the gov't was to blame for their lot in life. I don't feel the need to give my $$ to social programs I don't believe in. I believe I know what is best for me and my $$. The problem is...if altruism were profitable the private sector would already be involved. Two words...SOCIAL DARWINISM.

    Why is my responsibilty to care or provide for groups I don't believe work, or strive to achieve as I do?
    "Dear Prudence...won't you open up your eyes? "

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    Republican Putz

    I am a conservative planner. However, after the departure of Tommy Thompson for the Bush cabinet, and rise of Scott McCallum to the Wisconsin governorship, I look forward to the days when a liberal does not assemble a house of cards for a government. The attached picture shows our 'guv and what is beleived to be his top advisors. Note the prominence of Tina Yothers in the administration...

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    A challenge ...

    Ahh, the first Triple H... you know the one before Hunter Hurst Helmsley......

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    Re: Why?

    Originally posted by prudence
    Why are you liberal democrats? There must be fundamental reasons....
    My philosophy tends to take a literal interpreation of the word "liberal" -- that is, I'm open to new ideas, whether they come from the left or right. I read, I contemplate, I debate, and the I decide what makes sense to me -- not Jesse Jackson or Ted Kennedy. I could probably be called a Democrat with some Libertarian leanings. Dennis Miller and Edward Abbey probably come as close to speaking for me as any other individual.

    Taken the vast amount of issues out there, ranging from defense spending to education to health care to the environment, my mindset tends to point towards the left -- especially in cases where there is a great potential of market failure. Take, for instance, any potential "tragedy of the commons" situation. Those from the left seem to address such issues more consistently and logically than those from the right. More so than ever, Republicans pick and choose what beliefs of Adam Smith they choose to follow, much as some fundamentalist Christians use the Bibie to justify hatred of certain groups, or right-wing public policy.

    There are some liberal concepts that have been embraced by Republicans. In New York City, for instance, Rudy Guiliani's application of heavy-handed enforcement to test the "broken glass" hypothesis is definitely a leftist approach. We're talking government nitpicking of the kind righties despise -- but in New York's case, it worked. Alco consider the United States almost got nationalized health care -- under President Nixon.

    Personally, I'm for tough environmental regulations, land use regulations, nationalized health care, consumer protection laws, public transportation and Amtrak, living wage laws, NPR and arts programs, increased fuel taxes (for transportation improvements, not a general fund) and a decent "safety net." I support some drug legalization, opening up relations with Cuba, and I want to keep government the hell out of my bedroom. I thought Vietnam was wrong, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for those who served in that war. I'm pro-choice and pro-Union. I support a form of legal binding partnership agreement for gays and lesbians.

    On the politically incorrect side, though ...

    * I support a very strong military.
    * I'm for President Bush's plans for Social Security reform, and that idea alone almost swung my vote his way.
    * I'm against corporate welfate and government subsidies of certain industries that are otherwise profitable, such as farming, ranching and resource extraction. (Those are things that are generally supported by the right, but go against free market economics. Where's the market failure?)
    * I'm against "band aid" solutions that are only symbolic efforts to solve a problem; i.e. block grant funds to pay for community microparks that only collect broken glass.
    * I oppose affirmative action, instead preferring to see the root issues of inequity solved, rather than special privileges bestowed later on.
    * I think that the troubles experienced by groups claiming oppression are often brought on by themselves, much more so than by The Man.
    * To the population of Boulder, Colorado -- I could give a damn about Tibet. Pfft!
    * I believe that environmentalists should stop burning ski lodges and large suburban houses -- and start chainsawing billboards. The United States is growing uglier by the day, and nobody gives a damn.
    * I believe that immigrants from Spanish-speaking countries should make a go of assimilation. I also believe that Univision and Telemundo should have English language SAP broadcasts.

    It's not so much ideas from the right that bother me, but a lot of the "piggybacking" that seems to go on, particularly by fundamentalist Christians and militia-types. Likewise, piggybacking by far left wing groups lends less credence to liberals as a while -- Republicans think of liberals as the overly PC Berkeley/Boulder NOW and PETA crowd, with the more irrational ACLU lawyers thrown in there for good measure. However, the patchouli wearers don't have their tentacles extended as far into the Democratic Party as the likes of Pat Robertson and his ilk in the Republican Party. Those on the far left are Greens or Socialists; those on the far right are usually still Republicans. Apparently, some people actually believe that Jesus would against public transit subsidies, public radio, reasonable gun control laws, Section 8 housing, billboard amortization, and oil drilling in wilderness areas. Would Jesus really care?
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    My secrets out

    When I was twentysomething I saw a pic of AG with dreamy eyes and heard Tipper jamming at the drums, then I knew I could vote for him.

    "Al Gore stoned was a mix of expansiveness, melancholy and paranoia," Warnecke said. (warnecke was AG's source for green flowers)

    And until Dan wraps up... What Would Jesus Do? always a good question and reminds me of the tune by Joan Osborne "What if God was one of Us?

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