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    A symposium on the "f" word

    This thread is for civilized yet spirited debate of the use of the term "fag" on Cyburbia's casual discussion areas.
    Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. -- Edward Abbey

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    What a gay idea.

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    It means 'cigarette' to the stuffy english.

    As in, "How about a fag on the balcony James?"

    To which an American overhearing this might reply,
    "Thats not very PC you Limiy!"

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    Re: A symposium on the "f" word

    Originally posted by Dan
    This thread is for civilized yet spirited debate of the use of the term "fag" on Cyburbia's casual discussion areas.
    Liberal left is denying me free speech. Well, let me revise that...I can say whatever I want, but I will be labeled a close-minded bigot as I may have offended someone or hurt their feelings.

    It's OK for:

    Gays to refer to themselves as "fag" or "homo" or "queer" or whatever;

    Black people call each other n***** or whatever;

    but if I, a conservative white male, do it, than I'm a racist or a bigot or whatever.

    I am sick of all the PC bullsh*t. I am also in the minority. I come from 100% German ancestry. I am male. My ancestors help found two cities in the Milwaukee area...meaning my family settled here 160+ years ago (very few can say that). Oh, and I am a conservative Repulican.

    Who do I get to cry to???
    "Dear Prudence...won't you open up your eyes? "

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    You can, of course, cry on all of our shoulders here at Cyburbia, Prudence. Of course, some of us are white males, too, so that may not work for you.

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    It doesn't offend me, but I could see how it is an offensive term to people. I use the terms "gay" and "fag" in my everyday discussions with my friends, but never in the context of being derogatory to homosexuals. It is always along the lines of "Man, that shirt you are wearing is so gay!" or "Quit acting like a fag"

    I would never use it in everyday conversation with people other than my close friends because I know it would be offensive to others even if we are using it in good fun.
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    It doesnt offend me, and I use the term jokingly perhaps more often than I should. BTW Repo Man - the two other planners in my office that you know both came int work this morning in lavendar dress shirts and ties. ROTFLMAO!

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    fag (fag)
    1. to drop, decline or hang loosely.
    2.to work and become very tired
    3. a boy in an English public school who acts
    as a sevant for another boy in a higher form, or class.

    (from Websters New World Dictionary - 1962)

    Which definition do you think we have morphed the
    modern day use of the word from?

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    Originally posted by green lizard
    Which definition do you think we have morphed the
    modern day use of the word from?
    Number 1 ?!?

    It's just a word...it all comes down to context and inflection.
    "Dear Prudence...won't you open up your eyes? "

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    Originally posted by prudence
    Number 1 ?!?

    It's just a word...it all comes down to context and inflection.
    So... it is not the word but intent. I agree.

    Are you queer? or are you a queer?

    (i personaly am not a fag, queer or Klingon)

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    It's like the word "smurfy"...it has no true meaning, but all the Smurfs understood.
    "Dear Prudence...won't you open up your eyes? "

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    It never hurts to go to the source. I have a couple of friends, a former co-worker and roommate, who are of the faggish persuasion. (Picture Will and Jack - that really does describe these two.) We had this conversation not long ago, and they took a position much like Prudence's. It all comes down to context. Still, I find that I hardly ever use that term, or others like it.

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    Originally posted by Michael Stumpf
    ...We had this conversation not long ago, and they took a position much like Prudence's. It all comes down to context...
    Ah, like the difference between:

    1) Prudence is a fag.

    2) Prudence is wearing faggy lavendar shirt.

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    ummmm, it's better than some of the other terms I've heard used.

    I agree that there is a place and a time to be conservative and use the more PC, but sometimes the whole PC things just gets old.

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    I agree that it's the intent that matters, but I personally don't use the word. Same reason I don't say retard, queer, gay, etc. I don't like to hurt people or offend people - unless they deserve it of course

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    f**

    Originally posted by green lizard
    fag (fag)
    1. to drop, decline or hang loosely.
    2.to work and become very tired
    3. a boy in an English public school who acts
    as a sevant for another boy in a higher form, or class.

    (from Websters New World Dictionary - 1962)

    Which definition do you think we have morphed the
    modern day use of the word from?
    I thought it was short for "faggot."
    WALSTIB

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    Fag = Someone who shaves his legs and parades around in skin tight lycra.


    ....anyone remember the episode of Seinfeld when the dentist converted to Jewish?

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    f**

    From etymology on line:

    fag - sense of "drudgery" is 16c., apparently an alteration of flag in its sense of "droop." This in turn may be related to the obsolete fag-end (1613) "extreme end, loose piece," the source of British slang fag "cigarette" (1888).
    faggot - 1279, from O.Fr. fagot "bundle of sticks," from It. faggotto, dim. of V.L. *facus, from L. fascis "bundle of wood" (see fasces). Used from 1591 through 19c. as a contemptuous term for "woman" (cf. baggage), especially an old and unpleasant one, which probably is the source of Amer.Eng. derogatory term for "male homosexual" (1914; shortened form fag is from 1921). It may also be reinforced by Yiddish faygele "homosexual," lit. "little bird;" and by Brit. university slang fag "boy servant of an upperclassman" (with suggestions of "catamite"), from fag (v.).
    WALSTIB

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    Re: f**

    Originally posted by Tom R
    I thought it was short for "faggot."
    Actually Faggot is listed a 'a bundel of sticks or twigs
    used as fuel'. or to 'a bundel of iron peices to be worked
    into flat stock'.

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    Re: f**

    Originally posted by Tom R
    From etymology on line:

    The reson I used the 1962 version of
    Websters is the 'derogatory term for....'
    does not show up.

    The source you qoute shows the year for
    'derogatory term for...' as much older than 1962...

    Wonder where they got it?

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    In Portugese "deer" means male homosexual.

    I found this out when I told my Brazilian foriegn exchange daughter that she was eating "deer" meat in her chili.

    I got out the dictionary and showed her in english and she showed me in portugese.

    She was pretty upset, certainly we would not put male homosexuals in her chili!!!!

    Put's a whole new spin on the intent of all those "deer" hunters out there!
    It is all a matter of perspective!!!

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    Originally posted by Queen B
    Put's a whole new spin on the intent of all those "deer" hunters out there!
    That explains why hunting trips are usually a male-only affair.
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    I use the word queer all the time and typically not to describe a person's sexuality. It is usually used to describe a situtation that is odd or different from the norm.

    Now if I said, "queer as a three dollar bill", that is refering to a person.

    As for using the "F" word, I don't find it offensive and it has been used quite humoursly here. Especially in Dowtown's current state "sorry pregos". Maybe its like "where's the beef", "wassup" and other catch phrases, its funny at first, then it is just plain annoying as the meaning and context are lost...
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Originally posted by Repo Man
    That explains why hunting trips are usually a male-only affair.

    LOL...male only affair....
    I don't do anything right.

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    I think it would be appropriate to abstain from the sarcastic and ill-intentioned usage of fag here on Cyburbia. If a lurker was interested in participating in one of our discussions, but was put-off by the snarky usage of the word, and left for good, then I would think that isn't beneficial to Cyburbia. I appreciate diversity and would like to see that spirit nurtured here.

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