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    Lost Arts

    How many planners can:

    Draw watershed boundaries from topo maps?

    Use a planimeter?

    Know what a planimeter is?

    Use a 3D aerial viewer?

    Use Zip-a-tone?

    Know what Zip-a-tone is?
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    In undergrad we used the 3d aerial viewer in Physical Geog, and Zipatone in Cartography. Haven't seen either since.

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    none of the above.

    No wait, I can do the first one!!!
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    Definitely lost arts - but used all of them in college and in several jobs. Up until 1997 my former employer's zoning maps were done with zipatone.

    We don't need to draw watershed boundaries by tracing anymore - ESRI 3D analyst saves the day!

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    I can do them all, but haven't since graduate level geography classes a long, long time ago.
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    Re: Lost Arts

    Originally posted by Tom R
    How many planners can:

    Draw watershed boundaries from topo maps?
    That's why I have a consulting engineer.

    Use a planimeter?

    Know what a planimeter is?
    Not a clue what it is.

    Use a 3D aerial viewer?

    Use Zip-a-tone?

    Know what Zip-a-tone is?
    No on the 3D viewer.

    Not anymore on the zipatone, haven't used it since college.
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    Can do all but that zip-A-Tone thing

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    I can do all but don't need to anymore. But I really miss the zipatone and xacto knives.
    I think that one of the great signs of security is the ability to just walk away.

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    I can do it all baby! But haven't used any, excluding the planimeter, since school.

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    Zipatone and x-axcto knives. The Redevelopment Plan I put together used zipatone, and we actually use them on a weekly basis for our "Planning and General Plan Exhibits"

    Planimeter-I know what they are, but I think I would need another lesson as a reminder on how to use them.

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    how about using COGO to create your first digital maps

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    how about using COGO to create your first digital maps
    ..Ahh command-based GIS..I don't miss that at all.

    We still use zipatone for our zoning map because we have been in this big budget mess, holding our GIS funding which is needed to upgrade my computer.
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    Used the 3D thing, but not the others. I did, however, have to use a compass to figure out the 300' buffer on properties for public hearings. Had to do this up until last week.

    Now our base map is on Map Guide (because that's what the engineering techs wanted) so I can do the buffer on there, than hand write the addressses within the buffer, than go to the equilizer to figure out property owner/addresses. Still a long way to go, but better than, albeit slightly, before.

    So while I haven't used those things, we aren't far from it, and I'm sure there are some in the building somewhere.

    ((The one negative about being in a small town))

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    Had to do all at my first job (while still in school) haven't done any since but know I could. I just had to do a road profile last week old school style, pipes, grades (existing and proposed(, etc. Talk about boring.

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    I can do all of them... But I worked for an engineer, too.
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    Originally posted by Downtown
    In undergrad we used the 3d aerial viewer in Physical Geog, and Zipatone in Cartography. Haven't seen either since.
    Ditto for me.

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    arts

    I actually used a planimeter once but it took me 3 days to decipher how. Most of these "artifacts" can be found in antique stores and the world is better off for it.

    Any other lost arts? Leroy lettering? Proportional dividers?
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    Re: arts

    Originally posted by Tom R

    Any other lost arts? Leroy lettering? Proportional dividers?
    I was going to mention Leroy lettering...now that was fun! I've used zip-a-tone, though we called it letratone up here. Never heard of the term "Planimeter".

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    What????

    I did the 1st one once... But I am not sure what you are talking about with the rest of them.
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    Re: arts

    Originally posted by Tom R
    Leroy lettering?
    Untell I started last September, that is what our city used for many of the lables on our maps.

    It was so sad when I tryed to reorder them. The guy at the art store laughed at me.
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    How about "Scribing ( negative drafting ), keylines, open window negatives, strip film & wax text overlays and calculating land use spreadsheets for a 281sq mile county (before PC's)

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    Great thread!

    Zip-a-tone - yup. Letraset too ... this was back in the day before laser printers and WSYWIG word processing and desktop publishing.

    Planimiter - yup. Still comes in handy with old paper maps and USGS topographic maps.

    3D aerial viewer - if one can find old air photos that were taken to accomodate them.

    Leroy lettering - yup. Learned it in high school.

    Gad ... how many planners can still draft manually? How about decent penmanship? What about the ability to draw a map without GIS or Adobe Illustrator? Those skills have gone the way of pedestrian malls and streetside clocks.
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    Originally posted by Dan
    How about decent penmanship?
    Nope. Not a chance. I'm not allow to use a felt tip pen on anything that gets an office distribution. My writing is worse with felt tip pens.

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    Originally posted by Dan
    Gad ... how many planners can still draft manually? How about decent penmanship? What about the ability to draw a map without GIS or Adobe Illustrator? Those skills have gone the way of pedestrian malls and streetside clocks.
    HEY! I like our pedestrian mall in the nearby city and the new streetside clock they just dedicated in the village I'll soon call home!

    (But my penmanship and drawing skills have always sucked....)
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    Originally posted by Dan
    Gad ... how many planners can still draft manually? How about decent penmanship? What about the ability to draw a map without GIS or Adobe Illustrator? Those skills have gone the way of pedestrian malls and streetside clocks.
    No drawing skills...otherwise I'd probably be an architect right now....my penmanship (cursive handwriting) is horrible. My usual is to write in all caps basic 2nd grade handwriting, which, IMO is pretty good.
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