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Poll results: Should the Bush administration be investigated for deceptions leading to war?

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  • NO! The intelligence was flawed but we did it for the children.

    6 13.33%
  • NO! The intelligence was flawed but remember 911!

    6 13.33%
  • NO, the intelligence was flawed but damn we kicked butt, Whats the problem?.

    2 4.44%
  • NO! Think of the kittens, the Bush twins are bout to start their SO tour of Bagdad

    3 6.67%
  • NO! He should resign and let Cheney handle America's biggest PR fiasco.

    0 0%
  • YES! The Bush Admin knowingly used flawed and fabricated intelligence to justify the war on Iraq

    22 48.89%
  • YES! If Daddy Bush is out of the white house then the Bush twins can go back to being bad girls

    6 13.33%
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Thread: Grounds to Impeach ?

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    Cyburbian Jen's avatar
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    Grounds to Impeach ?

    Hey we're a rich nation, have lots of resources to pursue a costly lawsuit against the President. Nixon was impeached for an illegal campaign stunt, CLinton for sullying the oval office with a naked coed planner

    Why not the dubious dubya for outright half truths lies and innuendoes, regarding WMD's and Iran's so called nuclear program. at least congress ought to be allowed to create an independent commission to investigate!

    But the war is over and peace reigns in Iraq. Are the soldiers still happy to be there? Do they feel like they are making a difference. Well, they are there for the long haul now, and more will be sent and some ain't ever coming back! Who is gonna clean up what may be remembered as America's worst blunder ever?

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    They got a long overdue ass kicking. Wa... See my previous position on this issue.
    el Guapo is a former 20 year +/- urban planner (just like you) who thought becoming an attorney was a good life choice.

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    Cyburbian prudence's avatar
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    Originally posted by EG
    They got a long overdue ass kicking. Wa... See my previous position on this issue.
    I must agree with EG...Iraq is a boil on the ass of society.

    Besides, it's not like Dubya went to war to deflect attention from yet another scandal...unlike Slick Willie
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    Originally posted by prudence
    Besides, it's not like Dubya went to war to deflect attention from yet another scandal...unlike Slick Willie
    ummmm.... what about the economy?

    Otherwise, I agree with you. But George Tenent should take the fall. Off with his head! (note to our Dept of Justice lurker - that is rhetorical and in no way a threat)

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    Unjust war without reason - another vietnam

    The Gulf War was an unjust war, though the removal of Saddam was desirable, who is the US to be the world's police force? If it was found that Bush went to war based on lies and information that he knew to be false, that's an indictable offense. A guy spends 4 billion dollars a month on a war based on half truths, and the previous president gets "blown" by an intern, and people still slam Clinton.

    We'll see what happens when the next election comes around - because, as Dear old dad discovered, its the economy, stupid...

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    Stop the madness Jen. There are no lies or half truths.

    Congress is allowed to create an "indepent commission." No one is holding them back.

    The soldiers are there to the job. Their happiness is of no concern.

    I am surprised you left out "quagmire" and "another vietnam"...you must not have that page highlighted in the Liberal Playbook.

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    *sigh* another war thread? Haven't we beat this horse to death before?

    I'm about a liberal as they come, but come on now, impeachment? Not likely, and a waste of time and money.
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    They would never get the votes necessary to impeach. Plus, its a waste of time and money, just like the Ken Starr investigation. The reason Tenent is taking the fall is because he is a Clinton appointee. My prediction is that Bush will ask for his resignation and replace him with his own guy and the whole "scandal" will go away. My advice to those who want to see Bush gone, wait one more year and vote him out of office. That is my plan.
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    Even though I am by no means a "Bushie," I think that any attempt for impeachment by congressional dems would be misguided and ultimately hypocritical. After all, these are the same people who (unconstitutionally) handed Bush the power to wage war as he saw fit.

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    while Saddam was/is a despot leader that certainly deserved to be removed, the actions taken by our 'president elect' to remove him are certainly suspect. Lying to the general public whether knowingly or unknowingly is jsut plain wrong. He's the president and has the staffing to do the proper research to be sure that what he is stating is true. He quite obviously didn't use his resources. This war, and the war over Afganistant were wrong, but posed as right to get rid of the 'evil islamic' rulers(they also provided convenient cover for the flailing economy). WTF? I maintian that the real reason for these wars is OIL pure and simple. Gotta keep America fat and happy you know!
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    Originally posted by Chet
    ummmm.... what about the economy?
    The economy flourished because of two reasons:

    1. The first breakthough to a service oriented economy occurred...the US is not the producer nation it once was. The economy is not dominated by service industries, not producer industries. Once the techno-weenie (dot.com) revolution subsided the economy has stabillized (menaing not radical gains based upon speculation).

    2. Alan Greenspan and the fulfillment of the Reagan-era economics...specifically tax-cuts and the availability of $$$. Reagan lowered the top bracket to 28% (from an earlier 94% after WWII until JFK dropped it to 70% where it remained until 1982). The era ended with the 1990 "budget deal" that increased the top rate back above 30%. Alan Greenspan has stabilized interest rates...remember when they were 18+% in the mid-80s??

    Clinton got a free ride for a few years. The economy was going to do what it did regardless who was in office.
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    Originally posted by prudence
    Clinton got a free ride for a few years. The economy was going to do what it did regardless who was in office.
    While that may be the case, a lot of voters will hear the question from the Dems "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago" and a lot of people will say "no" and vote based on that. A lot of people tend to vote on emotion rather than logic.
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    I'd vote for a monkey if they would and could reduce my income tax level to 30%, last year I paid nearly 40% in income tax.
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Originally posted by donk
    I'd vote for a monkey if they would and could reduce my income tax level to 30%, last year I paid nearly 40% in income tax.
    I think Liverpool, UK is the place you want to be...didn't they actually have some guy in a gorilla suit running for mayor? I don't know what his position on taxes was...

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    Anybody following what's happening in the UK? Blair is being raked over the coals...

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    Would someone please stop and think of the children for once!

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    He did waht he should of done and the majority of America backed his decision.

    NO impeaching here.


    Edit: Although I dislike him for other reasons.
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    I think that while it is way too early to say "impeach" (I'm much more reasonable than Congressional Republicans were during the Clinton years) there should be a thorough investigation to figure out when the Bush administration knew they were spewing falsehoods. Bush undertook a big PR effort to get Americans on-board for an Iraq invasion. Voters should be entitled to know if what he was telling them was a truth or if he knew they were outright lies. There is no excuse for the horrible communications going on between Bush, his speechwriters, the Defense dept and the CIA. It looks like Bush would say anything just to get the poll numbers up enough so that they were comfortable launching the invasion.

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    Cyburbian donk's avatar
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    I think Liverpool, UK is the place you want to be...didn't they actually have some guy in a gorilla suit running for mayor?


    It was Hartlepool and some did it in New Orleans too(1969, 1973, 1977, and 1982 - no wins)
    Too lazy to beat myself up for being to lazy to beat myself up for being too lazy to... well you get the point....

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    Thanks for the link - that was an awesome article. My fav bit:

    "Then The Sun's gorilla emerged, clutching his bananas, trying to tempt Mr Drummond into something silly - the same Mr Drummond, now Hartlepool's leading citizen, who once when drunk in H'Angus' suit cavorted onto the pitch with a blow-up doll."

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    Grounds to Impeach ?

    What should we impeach him for? Lying? Isn't that the bread and butter of a politician. In my opinion, Dubya knew the intelligence was suspect and used it to drum up a case for war.

    Impeachment seems to be the first thing people call for when the president does something wrong or is poltically unpopular. Andrew Johnson escaped impeachment by a single vote and impeachment was a tool used by the Radical Republicans to try to get a "Lincolnite" out of the presidency. Nixon probably would have been impeached and should have been. The Clinton impeachment was a farce (who wouldn't lie to his wife and everyone else when faced with confessing to receiving oral sex from an intern). Clinton's impeachment was a witchhunt from the beginning, and Ken Starr is a lying, hypocritical little prude. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Clinton was like the Tar Baby. The more they attacked him, the dirtier his attackers got and the more trouble they got themselves into. It was sweet when self-righteous Bob Livingston got outed by pornagrapher Larry Flynnt.

    I would love to see George W out of office. He is bad news for the country in my opinion. Gving Halliburton a fat contract to put out Iraqi oil fires (when Halliburton has zero experience doing so), was clearly a little payback for their support and to help former CEO Dick Cheney. Using the war on terrorism to justify drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge is reprehensible. Did he talk about conservation? Of course not. Conservation measures would be good for the country but not good for Bush and his cronies. As governor, he rubberstamped every death warrant without any review. I have no doubt innocent men were executed as a result. George Bush has a history of not letting his decisions be too muddied up by thinking.

    I don't mean to get off on a rant here, as Dennis Miller used to say, but as much as I hate Bush and think he is an awful president, I do not think we should sully our constitution by trying to impeach everyone.

    I only hope George Bush Jr. gets his comeuppance in the next election.

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    Originally posted by martini
    and the war over Afganistant were wrong, but posed as right to get rid of the 'evil islamic' rulers(they also provided convenient cover for the flailing economy). WTF? I maintian that the real reason for these wars is OIL pure and simple. Gotta keep America fat and happy you know!
    And what threat would be enough for you.
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    Ugh...

    I knew this thread was coming. I'll be succinct.

    Impeach Dubya? No way.

    War under false pretenses? Maybe.

    Difficult road ahead in Iraq? Definitely.

    Was it the right thing to do? Probably not.

    Glad to see a horrible regime ousted? No doubt.

    Does the nation have the resolve to see this through?

    That's the question that will ultimately determine whether Bush stays in office.

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    Re: Ugh...

    Originally posted by pete-rock
    Glad to see a horrible regime ousted? No doubt.
    The one here or in Iraq?
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    I've got this nagging feeling that Saddam is going to resurface publicly right around the time of the Republican National Covention next year.

    I'm not a Bush supporter and I didn't support the war, but I'd HATE to see that happen.

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