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    Most desirable:

    Boston, MA
    Philadelphia, PA
    Washington, DC
    New York, NY
    San Francisco, CA
    Seattle, WA
    Portland, OR
    San Diego, CA
    Miami, FL
    Hartford, CT

    Least desirable:

    Jackson, MS
    Fargo, ND
    Charleston, WV
    Little Rock, AR
    Lincoln, NE
    Cheyenne, WY
    Salt Lake City, UT
    Sioux Falls, SD
    Gary, IN
    Springfield, MO

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    How does everyone feel about AZ?

    Where does Arizona fall onto everyone's list? It's inching up my "I want to be there" list.. Any ideas or the real Arizona?
    When Jesus said "love your enemies", he probably didn't mean kill them.

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    Some parts of AZ are great

    As a former Arizonan, I can say there are some beautiful stretches of Arizona that are like nowhere else. But, unfortunately, some of it is being eaten up by the same old sprawl you see everywhere.

    Tucson and southern AZ are wonderful, what most people think Arizona should look like. Northern AZ, Flagstaff and Show Low, the Grand Canyon and Navajo country also (more like what you think Colorado should look like).

    Phoenix is mostly just the same old schlock you see in any booming late 20th century megalopolis.
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    Darrell wrote:

    Least desirable:

    Springfield, MO
    I just *have* to know how Springfield made your list...
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    Springfield, MO made my list as it is considered one of the big buckles of the bible belt. The bible belt mentality and I just don't get along.

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    Darrell wrote:
    Springfield, MO made my list as it is considered one of the big buckles of the bible belt. The bible belt mentality and I just don't get along.
    Hence, my move from SW MO to Oregon....
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    Re: Top ten places ...

    Dan Tasman wrote:
    ... where you would like to live, given the following:

    * You'll be paid a salary that allows you to live a comfortable, middle class lifestyle there (i.e. you can afford a three bedroom, two bathroom, 1800 square foot/170m2 house in a decent neighborhood, without selling your first born).
    * Family issues (proximity to elderly/sick relatives, etc) aren't a factor.
    1) Portland, OR
    2) Key West, Florida
    3) Washington D. C.
    4) Savannah, Georgia
    5) Charleston, SC
    6) Charleston, WV
    7) Madison, WI
    8) Montpelier, VT
    9) Cape May, NJ
    10) Galviston, TX

    My top ten "I'd rather be in a van by the river than a house in one of these cities"

    1) Orland Park, IL
    2) Orlando, FL (sorry, Dan)
    3) Los Angles, CA
    4) Atlanta, GA
    5) Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN
    6) Houston, TX
    7) Plano, TX
    8) Phoenix, AZ
    9) Atlantic City, NJ
    10) Ocean City, MD

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    Top Ten Places to Live
    (in no particular order) N. American bias acknowledged - I'm assuming no malitias, cults, fanatics or other fringe groups operating in any of these areas. In developing this list, I'm also assuming these places would be safe, have good schools etc, etc. NOTE: I realize that in some cases this is a fantasy.

    West of Calgary but East of Vancouver (the Rockies)
    Wyoming
    Montana
    South Dakota
    Western Manitoba
    Washington State
    Northern or Central Ontario
    Western Newfoundland
    Yukon
    NWT
    Anybody see a theme developing here - maybe "big sky" captures it. What can I say, Toronto is nice -I grew up there, but the traffic, conjestion and garagescapes turn me off. What can I say, I have developed a preference for being "out in the sticks". Maybe it's just that my graduate degree is in rural planning and development.

    Top Ten Places To Avoid
    NOTE: This list is based in part on personal experience, a hatred of summer humidity and in some cases stupid people

    Detroit, MI - been there and done that
    Houston, TX (we don't need no stinking zoning)
    Sistersville, West Virginia (trust me on this one)
    Las Vegas, Nevada
    Alabama
    Mississippi
    Georgia
    Arizona (too damn hot)
    Florida (too damn many old people, drive by shootings and car jackings and most importantly - too damn hot too much of the year. What can I say, I like seeing the leaves change colors in the fall, I enjoy winter (except when I have to shovel).

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    pandersen wrote:
    Sistersville, West Virginia (trust me on this one)
    Doesn't the name convey the message well enough?
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    In North America:
    DC and some of it environs. Northern Va. has som great places
    Chicago, but I agree with bturk got to be the right neighborhood
    Some places in the SF Bay area, but others no way Got to be BART or Caltrain

    But the best place I've ever been is Szeged Hungary. Tru mixed use Walk 4 blocks safely and find most anythiong you ned. Wonderful transit Clean and a University town to boot. If you get a chance check out Hungary. Even under comununism there was a strong private sector, much personal freedom and the country wasn't nearly as bad off $ wise as most Warsaw Pact countries. My frinds there said that the real work of the country started at 5:00 PM. Of course a lot of private enterprise was accomplished on the "state" clock as well.

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    Darrell-
    What's up with hating Lincoln, NE? Not too many people even get there!

    My Favorites:
    Savannah, GA (even if it is full of crime)
    Boise, Idaho
    Alexandria, VA (as far away from DC as possible-love their downtown/wharf area)
    Lincoln, NE (it's a great place to live! Not much stress)
    San Diego, CA (love the weather there)
    Bath, England (what a quaint place-London is too dirty, I call it the black booger capital of the world)
    Dublin, Ireland
    Kansas City, MO
    Montego Bay, Jamaica (yes, they are poor, but it is beautiful)
    Las Vegas, NV (what fun!)


    Least Favorites:
    Tijuana, Mexico
    Omaha, NE
    Washington DC (love to visit, never will live there)
    Mississippi
    Atlanta, GA
    Texas (everywhere)
    Little Rock, AK
    St. Louis, MO
    Dubuque, IA
    Orlando and Tampa, FL

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    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Detroit, MI
    Houghton, MI

    Is that 10?

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    Nice to meet you all. My first post/reply.

    No puh-tickler order..

    Me livin':

    Miami, FL
    Ft Lauderdale, FL
    Chicago
    NYC
    San Diego
    Philly
    Melbourne, Aussie

    Not livin, no way:

    Hickory, NC
    Atlanta
    Orlando
    That town from the movie Footloose
    Detroit
    Boston
    Baghdad

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    My Top 10

    These are places I would love to live: All places I have been to

    1. Madison, WI (home sweet home) and has a lot to do in a small area
    2. Freiburg, Germany
    3. Boulder, CO
    4. Banff, Alberta (Calgary is close enough)
    5. Vancouver,
    6. Lanikai, HI
    7. Portland, ME
    8. Kansas City, KS
    9. Munich
    10. Amsterdam

    Places I would move to and haven't visited.

    1. New Zealand
    2 Australia and this includes Perth. I really want to see Perth.
    3. Toyko
    4. Scandanvia
    5. Baltics
    6. Russia, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Siberia

    Places where I could move with my current job.

    1. Newark, NJ (currently)
    2. Houston, TX
    3. Cleveland, OH
    4. Guam

    Now you see why I think about getting a degree in a different field.

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    Unfortunately have not travelled outside of Canada/USA.
    Dislike cold,like places with a sense of history,good public transit,interesting....
    1)New York(not Statten I)
    2)Philadelphia
    3)Boston
    4)Washington DC
    5)Chicago
    6)Baltimore
    7)Montreal
    8)San Fransisco
    9)Toronto
    10)Pittsburgh

    Chose between cities over 200,000 population,otherwise every town in North West Territories.
    Dislike conservative places where cowboy boots and a pickup are always in style,dislike cold,dislike strips and box stores.
    1)Anchorage AK
    2)Colorado Springs,CO
    3)Wichita,KS
    4)Las Vegas,NV
    5}Edmonton,AB
    6)Oklahoma City,OK
    7)El Paso,TX
    8)Winnipeg,MB
    9)Tulsa,OK
    10)Shreveport,LA
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    My top ten, no order

    1. San Francisco
    2. Vancouver B.C.
    3. Houston
    4. New York
    5. Seattle
    6. Dallas
    7. Miami
    8. Washington D.C.
    9. Los Angeles
    10. San Diego

    Never
    1. Cincinnati
    2. Dayton
    3. St. Louis
    4. Milwaukee
    5. Detroit
    6. Philadelphia
    7. Boston
    8. Minneapolis
    9. Phoenix
    10. Buffalo

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    lovely places vs. nightmares

    Always an option:

    Austin, TX
    San Diego, CA
    Portland, OR
    San Antonio, TX
    Toronto
    Prescott, AZ
    Santa Fe, NM


    Never an option:

    Podunk anywhere.....
    South Texas
    Misery...I mean Missouri
    Southern Illinois
    North Dakota
    South Dakota
    Las Vegas
    Florida

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    Re: lovely places vs. nightmares

    Originally posted by Jessie-J
    Never an option:

    Misery...I mean Missouri
    Better be careful there, some well-armed planners hail from Missouri.

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    Originally posted by Planipolous
    Darrell-
    What's up with hating Lincoln, NE? Not too many people even get there!
    Planipoulous-
    What's up with hating Dubuque? Even fewer people ever get there.

    BTW, I agree with you about Lincoln, it's a great and underrated town.

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    OK, here's my shot, among my somewhat limited travels:

    Bigger towns that are great (in no order):

    Chicago (but not the burbs)
    Milwaukee
    St. Paul (better than Minneapolis, but Mpls. is nice too)
    Kansas City MO
    Fort Worth
    Pittsburgh
    San Diego
    New Orleans
    Boston
    Austin

    Great medium-sized cities:

    Des Moines
    Madison
    Omaha (can't understand why so many don't seem to like it)
    Lincoln
    Grand Rapids
    Halifax NS

    Great smaller cities

    Cedar Rapids
    Kalamazoo
    Dubuque
    Rochester, MN
    Portland ME
    Manchester NH
    Fargo (yes, Fargo)
    San Angelo, TX

    Places to avoid:

    Dallas
    Houston
    Abilene TX
    Springfield IL
    and yes...Decatur IL

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    good places

    ten I like (no order):

    adjacency to any of the five Great Lakes is very important to me. They are an amazing national asset.

    ...But here are the places I have spent the most time in:
    Chicago
    Toronto
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Pittsburgh
    Lakewood, OH
    Berea, OH
    Sesto Fiorentino, Italy (outside Florence, Italy)
    Milford, CT (east of I-95)
    Greenwich Village area, NYC

    And Finally...My boyhood hometown...Alpena, MI

    It meets the criteria set out at the beginning. Plus it has a low cost of living, cheap, quality housing, right on Lake Huron, the metro center for the northeastern corner of Lower Michigan, and pop. of 13,000.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    Let's not be didactic in this profession, because that is a path to disillusion and irrelevancy.

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    Cities/places I'd love to live, in no order

    Charleston, SC
    Zurich
    San Francisco
    Newport, RI
    Bozeman, MT
    Bouldor, CO
    Annapolis, MD
    Burlington, VT
    Southwest England
    Ashville, NC/Greenville, SC


    My salary would have to quadrupled for me to even consider living in these places:

    Fayetteville, NC
    Reno, NV
    Souix City, IA
    Florence, SC
    El Paso, TX
    Dallas, TX
    Houston, TX
    Pretty much all of Texas...Excluding Austin
    LA
    Uniontown, PA
    Jersey

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    To Kwame K:

    Could you be D-town's top politician? If so, that's pretty cool.

    But you say Detroit and Houghton, MI. Interesting.
    Last edited by mendelman; 10 Jun 2003 at 12:23 PM.
    I'm sorry. Is my bias showing?

    Let's not be didactic in this profession, because that is a path to disillusion and irrelevancy.

    Six seasons and a movie!

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    Top 10 to live (in no particular order)
    Zurich, Switzerland
    Sanibel Island, FL
    Austin, TX
    Cambridge, England
    Amelia Island, FL
    Sarasota, FL
    San Francisco
    Wellington, New Zealand
    The Virgin Islands
    St. Pete, FL

    Top 10 to avoid:
    Savannah, GA (full of crime, not a real nice place to live despite its romantic air)
    Atlanta, GA
    LA
    Chicago
    Detroit
    New Jersey
    Boston
    Phoenix
    Ohio
    Oklahoma

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    Top Ten Cities

    I used to have a couple of jobs that required me to travel all over the US, and based on that, here are my top ten, in no particular order:

    1. Washington DC. And surroundings. I lived there most of my life, in NoVa and on Capitol Hill. Itís where itís happening; world events are the local news. Great cultural opportunities, many of which are free (thanks, America!). Donít know if it would be tolerable right now to be in such proximity to the self-righteous, anti-American-way Bush-leaguers. Hated the summer there. Love the spring and fall. Both weeks. Iím an information junkie, and any information you want is there. Downtown DC is one of easiest places to get around, and with plenty of reason to want to.

    2. San Francisco. Obviously.

    3. Portland. Either of them. I live about two hours from OR. Great neighborhoods, food, wine. Good culture. Great recreational opportunities. I used to visit ME a lot. Wonderful downtown; walkable. Good people. By the way, someone said, regarding the question, ďPortland or Boston,Ē Portland won the coin toss. Thatís exactly how Portland OR got its name. A coin toss between someone from Boston and someone from Portland, ME. And forget Seattle. Used to be nice. Now itís full of refugee Californians, who have totally Californicated the place.

    4. Denver. And smaller cities to the north (Boulder, Longmont, Loveland, Fort Collins). Good energy, good planning atmosphere. Great recreation. Two brothers-in-law live there, so Iíd have instant family. Ex-wife lives there, too!

    5. Baltimore. Most of the benefits of DC, without the self-righteous, anti-American-way Bush-leaguers. Major league baseball, in a way. Good, thriving downtown.

    6. Miami. Caliente! Summers are a bear, but winter is great. The energy level is fun.

    7. New York. Anything you want is there.

    8. Chicago. The lake, the architecture, the neighborhoods, the pizza.

    9. Boston. But with little enthusiasm. A little too cold, traffic a little too bad.

    10. Random smaller cities: Ashland, OR; Cedar Rapids, IA; San Antonio, TX; Charlottesville, VA. My absolute number one best place on earth to live as far as I know is Pacific Grove, CA. If only I had the money.

    Also-rans: Kansas City, MO; Sacramento, CA; Austin, TX; Harrisburg, PA; Cleveland, OH

    I havenít traveled outside of North America too much, but when I was in Copenhagen, I thought it was the most wonderful city on earth. Of course, this was in 1985, and I had come there directly from two weeks in Breznev-era Moscow. After Moscow maybe even El Paso would seem good.

    The bottom ten:

    1. El Paso. An absolute hell-hole. I would live in Olongapo before Iíd live there. By the way, I know a great seafood restaurant in Olongapo.

    2. Atlanta. The capital of hypocrisy. Bad weather, bad environment, bad, bad, bad. And that goes double for Macon.

    3. Oklahoma City. A city of parking lots. Tornados.

    4. Dallas. No redeeming social value.

    5. Anything in Louisiana. If Quebec ever secedes from Canada, can we make them take Lousy-ana?

    6. Nashville. Spent a month there one day. Absolutely hated the town every time I went there. But maybe that was because one of the worst things that ever happened to me happened there.

    7. Charleston, WV. Think of all the bad things youíve ever heard about Newark. Theyíre all true about Charleston. And as for the other Charleston, the one in SC, all I can for it is that it has some pretty buildings. But if your family wasnít there before the unpleasantness between the states, youíll never fit in. Think, ďThe Citadel.Ē Think, ďBob Jones UniversityĒ (I know, BJU is in Greenville, but the whole damn state is like that.) Makes the Idaho panhandle look like the capital of tolerance. General Sherman had the right idea.

    8. Phoenix. Los Angeles without the ocean. With worse weather and water problems.

    9. Los Angeles, including Las Vegas. Born there, went to college there (Bruins!). Take away the ocean, and itís Phoenix.

    10. Sioux City, IA. Thereís a reason its airline code is SUX.

    Also-rans: Any city in southern Wyoming. Why does any place the oil industry dominates turn out to be such armpits? Tulsa, OK, with its Jetsons-style architecture at Oral Roberts University (is that still there?) Anchorage, AK. I interviewed for a job there. My wife and I went out and celebrated when I didnít get the offer.

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