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Contentious, non-productive public hearings
By pcjournal at 2009/05/12 - 5:00pm

I am preparing an article for the Planning Commissioners Journal focusing on the situation described below. I would welcome feedback on ways of improving on the following all-too-common scenario: contentious, non-productive public hearings.

Many planning commissioners, at least occasionally, have had the experience of arriving at a public hearing to find a large crowd of citizens angry about a proposed development in their neighborhood. Often the hearing begins with a lengthy presentation by the applicant's architects, engineers, planners, and (sometimes) lawyers explaining the merits of their project and why it must be approved -- followed by a line of residents coming to the microphone to highlight a lengthy list of problems with the project. And often, the temperature in the meeting room feels like it's rising.

Planning commissioners often feel thrust into the middle of controversial projects. Yes, it is their job to decide (or recommend) on the application, but they may ask themselves why many issues between the developer and neighborhood haven't been resolved in advance. At some public hearings, planning commissioners may wish they could call a time out and get the two sides to sit down and work out some of the issues.

Looking for your feedback on the following:

1. are there pre-hearing approaches your community takes to identify projects likely to be controversial, and then seek to resolve some of the contentious developer/community issues?

I'm interested in hearing about approaches ranging from: neighborhood association review; other forms of informal dialogue and meetings; sketch plan review; community-developer advance agreements; the use of staff comments & recommendations; and anything else that has worked to resolve (or reduce) disputed issues in advance of the required public hearing.

Also, are there methods (or criteria) you use in advance to identify projects likely to be controversial? Or do you just know?

2. more productive hearings --

* are there approaches you've used to design more productive public hearings?
* are there alternatives to the familiar sequence of staff overview; developer project presentation; public testimony; commissioner question period?
* do you require the developer to make available models of the project or other visuals?
* how do you most effectively allow for both public and planning commissioner input?
* do you ever table projects (in effect, calling a time out) and then set up an informal process for resolving certain issues?

I'd welcome your feedback on any of the above -- or on other points you feel would be worth covering in the article I'm preparing.

If there's someone with expertise in the field you feel I might interview, please let me know their name and, if you have it, their email address and phone number. If you'd be willing/interesting in speaking with me over the phone, please let me know by email or by Cyburbia messaging.


by Jeff on Tue, 2008/08/05 - 3:17pm
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Originally posted by pcjournal View post

1. are there pre-hearing approaches your community takes to identify projects likely to be controversial, and then seek to resolve some of the contentious developer/community issues?

I'm interested in hearing about approaches ranging from: neighborhood association review; other forms of informal dialogue and meetings; sketch plan review; community-developer advance agreements; the use of staff comments & recommendations; and anything else that has worked to resolve (or reduce) disputed issues in advance of the required public hearing.
In many of the communities I have worked, currently work we do all of the above. IMO, it is a losing battle. The same few people show up for the workshops. sorry to say, but in my experience most community members dont really care until the bulldozers are showing up to the site.

In my neighborhood where i live in Philly, the civic association does courtesy reviews, but try getting a developer to take their recommendation seriously if it goes against what they want to do.

by Gedunker on Tue, 2008/08/05 - 5:54pm
We don't use any pre-hearing approaches. Some developers have chosen to meet with neighbors prior to a public hearing, but that's of their own initiative and it isn't binding on any of the parties.

We do have our chairman/president spend a reasonable amount of time explaining the process before contentious dockets begin. For example, with subdivisions, we cover state statutory laws that favor subdivision and what happens if the PC denies a preliminary plat. (By state statute, we are obligated to advise the applicant of what fails to meet our subdivision control ordinance so that they can come into compliance. When the revised preliminary meets the ordinance, the Plan Commission then takes over a ministerial duty and must approve the prelim. plat.) We cover not only the process we use during the hearing (the classic system: staff report, developer, neighbors, comments) but what happens after the hearing.

I'm fortunate right now that I have a chairman and a president that both have good judgment and a willingness to use their gavel. They both also frequently use a phrase such as "Okay, we've heard about various drainage and traffic concerns. Does anybody have anything besides those issues?" This works exceedingly well at keeping the meeting from devolving into a long parade of complainers at the podium.

Last, we have used tabling to help cool temperatures down, but then only when the Plan Commission has some element that seems to be a "deal breaker" and they want the staff to work with the applicant to see if there's some way to make it palatable for all parties. (I don't much care for this tactic because the developer often gets the feeling that if they satisfy staff then the Board or PC will also go along. When they don't go along I get the grief.)

Even with all this, there are still meetings where I wish we had a police officer present.

by anf on Tue, 2008/08/05 - 7:28pm
At some point in the past before I got to Kansasland, our Planning Commission began holding a "Study Session" the meeting before the public hearing. The staff gives a brief report for the project: Mr. X wants to do Y at property Z. The PC then has an opportunity to ask questions of Staff and the Applicant.

Our PC is pretty good at identifying things that could possibly be contentious, so they will send us back to the office with a laundry list of things they want addressed during the Public Hearing. At the end of the public hearing, the property owner/applicant is always given a chance to rebut any statements, and the staff is given a chance to address any of the issues that speakers may have brought up.

by jmello on Tue, 2008/08/05 - 8:12pm
Our planning commission often requires developers to hold public meetings with area residents and property owners before considering a project.

Our state department of transportation holds informational open houses immediately prior to each official public hearing. State and local staff are available to help review maps and answer questions. This seems to dispel a lot of the misinformation and limit some of the anger during the public comment period.

by pcjournal on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 1:53am
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At some point in the past before I got to Kansasland, our Planning Commission began holding a "Study Session" the meeting before the public hearing. The staff gives a brief report for the project: Mr. X wants to do Y at property Z. The PC then has an opportunity to ask questions of Staff and the Applicant.
Do members of the public also attend the Study Sessions; and, if so, can they participate and ask questions?

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Originally posted by jmello View post
Our planning commission often requires developers to hold public meetings with area residents and property owners before considering a project.
Is that required in your ordinance, or in the planning commission's bylaws, or is it just done when staff or the commission feels it would be helpful? And how effective has this been in resolving or narrowing issues in advance?

by mike gurnee on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 2:45am
I wish an attorney would chime in. My take is that you are on thin ice requiring a pre-meeting. Most statutes proscribe the process. Anything beyond that is NOT required. You can have your study sessions, you can have sub-committees pre-review projects: but contentious meetings are part of the dirty world of open local government.

by PlanMom on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 3:30am
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Originally posted by jmello View post
Our planning commission often requires developers to hold public meetings with area residents and property owners before considering a project.
Our muni requires neighborhood meetings for all general plan amendments and rezonings. It is in our code. We also suggest that developers take the time to talk to the neighbors most affected by their actions and spend extra time explaining the project and the process to them.

Time limits on public comments work well. I've seen limits range from two to five minutes. An organized and confident chair also helps.

I'm currently tasked with a project that is very contentious and have suffered through three non-statutory screech-fests primed by a 70 year old woman with a vocabulary like a sea pirate (my apologies to sea pirates). All I do as staff is reiterate the facts of the case and let the chips fall where they may. Personally, I prefer to let everyone say their piece and then have commission/council vote. If people have been provided an opportunity to be heard in a public forum and are thanked for participating, they are generally better at swallowing a decision they may not like. I am fortunate that I have a visionary planning commission and town council that trusts me. I don't abuse that trust.

by luckless pedestrian on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 1:16pm
Hi Wayne -

in Maine, subdivision includes a first step in the process called a sketch plan which is as the term implies - our ordinance allows the Planning Board to direct staff (me) to hold a neighborhood meeting on a project - they usually make the call based upon how many people are in the room for the application and how concerned they are in their comments

Our Planned Unit Development ordinance requires this meeting

they seem to be effective in flushing out the issues outside the hearing process - but they can backfire too as they often give abutters a sense of empowerment that they don't have - the final review, deliberation and decision rests with the Planning Board and often when the Planning Board approves something the neighbors didn't like but met the Ordinance, there is animosity at the end

another layer that helps is the site visit because it allows discussions to be a little more informal but the above warning remains and I often am the conversation police that makes sure there isn't any unintentional ex parte communication

in theory, the time for neighborhood meetings and get together's is the creation of the comprehensive plan and then the writing of the zoning so that by the time permitting happens, it really is a done deal because it's already been hashed out during the creation of the plan and its zoning - but it doesn't always work that way -

why? sometimes the zoning as written has unintended consequences we didn't anticipate, or, you can have a change in Board members, a turnover of residents and sometimes change is hard for people, even if they were part of the comp plan process

so it's not a simple answer but I do think generally that meetings outside the hearing process are a good thing but staff needs to make sure people understand the bottom line - also, the comp plan and the zoning need to correlate to what the neighborhood wants

feel free to PM me

by hannah on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 1:52pm
Don't know if this will help but from the "other" side I can tell you that it would help if PC members knew what they were supposed to be doing for the community instead of just seeing the side of the private land owner or developer who has money invested as adjoining or near-by affected landowners have money invested too. Not being planners or lawyers, PC members should be required to have a working knowledge of what planning is and the existing ordinances for the government they are representing and make an attempt at being less than arbitrary in their decisions. Perhaps then a public hearing wouldn't be so contentious. For example, last year a guy bought the lot zoned residential right behind mine and several other properties. He wanted to rezone it industrial. The existing ordinance didn't allow an industrial lot to be less than 20,000 sq. ft which the lot was. The PC voted to recommend to Council to change the zone even after it was pointed out to them that the property simply wasn't big enough. Their whole reason was that at least the grass would be kept cut on the lot. The affected property owners were rightly incensed. Workshops or tutorials for new PC members on what their duties entailed as well as a read of the existing ordinances wouldn't have allowed such a travesty.

Hope that helps.

by The One on Wed, 2008/08/06 - 4:56pm
If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times, study sessions and work sessions are a great way to prepare the Commissioners for controversial issues. If they have to be published or posted due to open meeting laws, then publish or post them, but have rules about how the discussion takes place at this level, away from the public hearing format. For some unfathomable reason, the last two jurisdictions I've worked for, haven't agreed to this concept. Arvada, Colorado and Adams County Colorado are/were two great examples of how this could work at the City Council level and Planning Commission/BOA levels.

Another great way to cut down on the reactionary stuff at public meetings is to ensure that a well noticed neighborhood meeting takes place and is conducted by the applicant with staff in attendance. This will provide a place for issues to get vetted without wasting a Planning Commissions time dealing with issues a developer may be readily able to solve up front.

I've even held worksessions on site with the entire Planning Commission before, in special cases. This takes a lot of time and effort for staff, as well as the Commission.

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