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Tattoo/piercing studio in downtown?
By Suburb Repairman at 2009/05/11 - 5:00pm

I have been asked to evaluate whether tattoo/piercing studios should be allowed as a by-right or conditional use in our Central Business District; they are currently prohibited. This is a small city of 50,000+ with a university having 30,000 enrolled. The university is adjacent, and practically a part of downtown.

There are currently two tattoo studios in downtown, which are legal non-conforming uses from years ago.

I'm a bit indifferent about the whole thing, but I've never been in a place with a mega-high concentration of tattoo studios either to see the effects. Any thoughts on what I should consider as I evaluate how to treat these things?

I have checked notes from when the Code was amended to prohibit the tattoo studios, but it was part of a comprehensive revision and was not specifically discussed that I can tell.


by Chet on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 7:39pm
My opinion is "by right". In a city of that size I wouldn't worry about a "concentration". The market is only going to support a few of these places, even as a college town.

Don't forget -- Most every tattoo shop also does body piercing.

by Seabishop on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 7:53pm
In the similarly sized city where I used to work the tattoo studios were some of the nicest facades downtown and never caused trouble. My opinion is "by-right" because as a land use they don't have any more negative effects than any other retail or office use. I don't think it would be fair to subject them to a public hearing process for no good reason.

by jmello on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 7:55pm
We are a college town and we have two tattoo parlors downtown. I beleive they are by right. I am a transportation planner, so my specific knowledge of the code is limited.

by boiker on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 8:01pm
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Originally posted by Chet View post
My opinion is "by right". In a city of that size I wouldn't worry about a "concentration". The market is only going to support a few of these places, even as a college town.

Don't forget -- Most every tattoo shop also does body piercing.
Exactly. I agree. I don't know what the big fear in these kinds of uses are anyway. Is there is a studio that directly ties/correlates deviant behavoir, crime, or other social ills to these uses? Or is it the past that plagues them?

by Gedunker on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 8:04pm
About two-thirds of your size, branch campus of the state university away from our CBD. We require Special Exception/Conditional Use for them. We have some 'high end' places and some places that would make sailors proud (sorry, sailors). The latter tend to be shoe-string operations and, uh, use an abundance of low-end signage (always over-sized and chintzy) in an attempt to survive. They rarely do, but someone's ready with a new one as soon as the place vacates.

Off-topic:
World-famous Tattoo Charlie's tag line: "Done while you wait".

by Cardinal on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 9:02pm
There are two concerns. One is a more general question if the balance of non-retail to retail businesses tips to a point where there is no longer a sufficient quantity of retail businesses to have a viable retail district. Some non-retail uses, such as restaurants, can help to support retail. Others do not. Tattoo parlors are arguably the latter. The second concern is whether a tattoo parlor is going to project a negative image or attract activity that may detract from neighboring business or the district as a whole. It's a little bit like the drunk sleeping in a doorway. Yes, he may be harmless, but his presence does not want to make you linger. For these reasons, if you are going to allow the use, I would do so as a conditional use. That extra bit of control lets you evaluate the location, operation, and aesthetics on a case-by-case basis to determine if it will have any harmful impacts.

by Otis on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 10:07pm
I would go with by right. I think a lot of the concerns about tattoo parlors was when "tattoo" meant "bikers and drunken sailors." Times have changed.

It seems like around Otisville the tattoo craze is winding down. I see fewer young women with tattoos than there used to be. Maybe that's just me hoping.

by Suburb Repairman on Fri, 2008/11/07 - 10:09pm
These are all great so far! Part of why I'm not super worried is that our rents are high enough downtown that I'm not sure the "Sailor" type can afford it. That said, I really like Cardinal's observations on the retail v. non-retail stuff. Very helpful.

by vagaplanner on Sat, 2008/11/08 - 2:37am
By-right all the way! There really is no good reason to require conditional/special use permits. A town where I worked didn't allow them in downtown at all, but they were a bunch of d!cks! Got fired from there!

by Seabishop on Mon, 2008/11/10 - 2:21pm
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Originally posted by Cardinal View post
There are two concerns. One is a more general question if the balance of non-retail to retail businesses tips to a point where there is no longer a sufficient quantity of retail businesses to have a viable retail district. Some non-retail uses, such as restaurants, can help to support retail. Others do not. Tattoo parlors are arguably the latter. The second concern is whether a tattoo parlor is going to project a negative image or attract activity that may detract from neighboring business or the district as a whole. It's a little bit like the drunk sleeping in a doorway. Yes, he may be harmless, but his presence does not want to make you linger. For these reasons, if you are going to allow the use, I would do so as a conditional use. That extra bit of control lets you evaluate the location, operation, and aesthetics on a case-by-case basis to determine if it will have any harmful impacts.
Your local commission members will probably disagree, but a modern tattoo parlor can contribute to the vitality of a arts district when you're trying to attract young people.

As a seperate note, I think I'm going to invest in a tattoo-removal company and become a millionaire as todays college kids age.

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