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2018/2019 Quest for the Cup

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And NJ scores the 1st lottery pick... Wings are 6th. I wonder if Jack Hughes will enjoy NJ...
AWWW YEAH! Totally unexpected though since the Devils won the #1 pick in 2017 ultimately selecting the #2 rated draft pick Nico Hischier as he was a better fit for the team. From what I understand Jack Hughes is friendly with Taylor Hall. Guess we'll find out in June whether the Devils draft Hughes or Kakko.

The very big upside is that it will be easier to resign Taylor Hall at the end of next season.
 

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Congrats on being the biggest loser, NJ Devils! The Sabres can't even lose right. :p

I don't know that moving down two really affects the Sabres draft too much. From what I've heard, there's the top two of Hughes and Kakko, then another half dozen or so good prospects before things start to drop off, and in the 3rd through whatever picks, team needs will be a factor. If the Sabres could land Byram he might be a nice piece to pair with Dahlin eventually.
 

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How did the Lightning lose to Columbus last night in Tampa Bay? Watching the first period it looked like the Bolts would destroy the BJs.
 

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How did the Lightning lose to Columbus last night in Tampa Bay? Watching the first period it looked like the Bolts would destroy the BJs.
That's why they play the games.

There were a ton of entertaining games yesterday. I was watching the Pens-Isles game; it had the feel of an OT game from the end of the second period on. Even when NY went ahead in the third I thought the game would go to OT.
 

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How did the Lightning lose to Columbus last night in Tampa Bay? Watching the first period it looked like the Bolts would destroy the BJs.
Gives me hope for the 'Canes Caps series!!! They start tonight. I am freaking PUMPED too.
 

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Well 'Canes lost 4-2 in the opening game (really 3-2, the last was an EN). Honestly, they were clearly the better team on the ice. I think 2 of Washington's goals came from the powerplay, one from Backstrom and another from Ovi. Backstrom also scored on a really garbage goal from way out, Mrazek was asleep in net or something. I think we dominated in every other portion of the game besides where it counts. Svechnikov scored the 2 goals, one right after getting chippy with Ovi which was awesome.

We absolutely NEED to win game 2 in Washington. If we can split the opening 2 games we have a fighting chance.
 

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Where I come from, the team that scores more goals is the better team. ;)

But if you're right, the Canes will come out strong in Game 2. If you're going to split on the road to open the series, winning Game 2 is the one you want cuz they come back to home ice with momentum.

Last night Mike Smith had the most dominating goalie performance in the playoffs since, well, the Dominator (Dominik Hasek). Amazing saves bailed out the Flames repeatedly until they managed to score, eventually prevailing over the Avs 4-0.
 

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Where I come from, the team that scores more goals is the better team. ;)

But if you're right, the Canes will come out strong in Game 2. If you're going to split on the road to open the series, winning Game 2 is the one you want cuz they come back to home ice with momentum.
I mean typically, yes. That game was weird though. We had them in every statistical category otherwise. We were 0-3 on the PP, they were 2-4 which was the major difference. Mrazek let in a really bad goal from way out by Backstrom too. Somehow we actually outhit them, which is crazy. There were some massive hits in that game too.

Last night Mike Smith had the most dominating goalie performance in the playoffs since, well, the Dominator (Dominik Hasek). Amazing saves bailed out the Flames repeatedly until they managed to score, eventually prevailing over the Avs 4-0.
Mike Smith has always been underrated. I watched him when he was with the Coyotes in Raleigh once. He shut out the Hurricanes. It was impressive. It was probably the '11-'12 season when I saw that. He had 8 shut outs that year with a .930 save percentage which is absurd. That was over 67 games too!!
 

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I think what's hurting the Canes more than anything else is the level of playoff experience they have as a team versus the Caps. Having just won a Cup, they're built for the playoffs, they know it, and they know how to use it. They may falter in later rounds, but as a division winner against a WC team, they are getting it done.

If the Canes can even it up at home, though, it could swing the moment the other way and if they can get it down to a 3-game series, anything can happen.
 

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I think what's hurting the Canes more than anything else is the level of playoff experience they have as a team versus the Caps. Having just won a Cup, they're built for the playoffs, they know it, and they know how to use it. They may falter in later rounds, but as a division winner against a WC team, they are getting it done.

If the Canes can even it up at home, though, it could swing the moment the other way and if they can get it down to a 3-game series, anything can happen.
The last game was pretty frustrating. If they don't win tonight it's over. Aho got a goal so hopefully he can get back into a groove. IMO I think the officiating has been incredibly suspect for the first two games. That Ferland match penalty was absolutely GARBAGE. Oshie didn't get crap when he intentionally high sticked one of our players in the face, and it was blatantly obvious that it was on purpose.
 

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Good Lord they destroyed the Caps last night, 5-0. Unbelievable game. Svech got his head knocked off by Ovi. I have NO idea why he chirped so hard to get Ovi to fight him, but boy did he pay for it.

They held the Caps to like 18 shots in the entire game. They didn't have a single shot in the second period. That game was series changing. The momentum swing is massive.
 

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Good Lord they destroyed the Caps last night, 5-0. Unbelievable game. Svech got his head knocked off by Ovi. I have NO idea why he chirped so hard to get Ovi to fight him, but boy did he pay for it.

They held the Caps to like 18 shots in the entire game. They didn't have a single shot in the second period. That game was series changing. The momentum swing is massive.
Maybe a little but I'm not sure it's a huge momentum swing at this point. Ovi whipping Svech's ass probably carried some emotion for the Canes as well. But that won't last. Although Svech's headache probably will! Man, he got rocked. WTF was he thinking taking on Ovi? And Ovi is not a fighter at all and skates away from a lot of stuff but this is the playoffs now. Dude learned a hard lesson.
 

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It was chippy the entire game!

Did Svech wake up from his nap? I thought it was humorous that when Ovi went into the penalty box for the 5 minute major, he got an ice bag for his knuckles.
 

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It was chippy the entire game!

Did Svech wake up from his nap? I thought it was humorous that when Ovi went into the penalty box for the 5 minute major, he got an ice bag for his knuckles.
There was word out there that "everything checked out". I don't think he'll be back for the series, or the rest of the playoffs probably. That fight is a perfect example of why the NHL mandated that helmets may not be removed before a fight a few years ago.
 

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I fear that the apocalypse is near... the TB lightning were swept by the Columbus BJs. There is no stability in the space time continuum anymore.





Edit: Penguins were also swept and that Sid punk is going home. All is good in the world and I am happy.
 
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I fear that the apocalypse is near... the TB lightning were swept by the Columbus BJs. There is no stability in the space time continuum anymore.
The Blue Jackets are my team. I don't really care about hockey, but it is enjoyable to see them win. Many of my friends have been season ticket holders for a long time. It is good for that franchise.
 

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Well that changes just about everything. I fully expected the Islanders to win, they are a great team with a fantastic coach. The Blue Jackets....wow. I thought they'd take one or two, but ultimately go home. Unbelievable. People thought Jarmo Kekalainen was crazy for basically selling the house to bring in Duchene, Dzingel, Kinkaid, and McQuaid. They didn't mesh all that well immediately but damned if they aren't doing work now. Kekalainen secured the GM of the Year award last night for sure, no matter what happens in the second round.

I thought for sure even if the 'Canes get past the Capitals, they'd be dead in the water against Tampa. Now things are WAY different. I'm calling an Islanders v. Preds Stanley Cup series.
 

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So many people's brackets are busted. Recently traded Devils are playing for Boston, Dallas, Nashville, and Columbus so I hope one of them can go all the way.
 

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I thought for sure even if the 'Canes get past the Capitals, they'd be dead in the water against Tampa. Now things are WAY different. I'm calling an Islanders v. Preds Stanley Cup series.
So what you're telling me is there is a chance?
 

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I thought it was humorous that when Ovi went into the penalty box for the 5 minute major, he got an ice bag for his knuckles.
I heard an interview with Pierre McGuire who was covering the game from ice level. He said the punch that felled Svech sounded like a hammer hitting a piece of wood.

Recently traded Devils are playing for...
That's all we got, ain't it? I see former Sabres, some of which I didn't think much of (Dmitri Kulikov for instance) playing significant roles on playoff teams.
 

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I heard an interview with Pierre McGuire who was covering the game from ice level. He said the punch that felled Svech sounded like a hammer hitting a piece of wood.
The fight. Timber....


That's all we got, ain't it? I see former Sabres, some of which I didn't think much of (Dmitri Kulikov for instance) playing significant roles on playoff teams.
Pretty much.
 

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'Canes Caps tonight! Game 4. I really think if the Hurricanes manage to take it, they will win the series. They just need to get game 5 in Washington and take 6 at home. Both away games were close contests. Losing Svech is going to hurt though. He was doing damage in Washington.
 

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If I recall correctly, the Game 4 Winner is the strongest indicator of Series Winner.

That would be great if the Cains moved on to round 2...



But more importantly, press conference this afternoon to introduce the new GM for the Detroit Redwings.... STEVE YZERMAN!

(Super happy dance!)
 

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Worst kept secret in hockey. We lived in Detroit for the 6 years leading up to the 1997 Cup win. We were huge Red Wings fans. I've since gravitated back to the Sabres (the team I grew up with) but my wife is still a big Wings and Stevie Y fan. I was pretty geeked up by the news; this should be great for Detroit.
 

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That would be great if the Cains moved on to round 2...
They won't now. Had to win that game in Washington to have a shot. Instead they were completely embarrassed. Even if they win tonight, they won't win game 7 in Washington. We've lost too many players now, no depth to add. Martinook, Ferland, and Svech are gone. Svech might be back tonight though. Ferland is likely out for the rest of the season even if we manage to make it to round 2. No idea what's going on with Martinook. He got injured early on in the last game. He came back out and then went right into the locker room.

I like Dougie Hamilton, but that was an absolute garbage move on his part to decline chasing the puck behind the net with Ovi charging down. Take the hit like a freaking man. You're a professional hockey player.
 

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We've lost too many players now, no depth to add.
Eh, that's how Carolina won the Cup in 2006. Buffalo had lost virtually of their defensemen by the conference finals. (I'm a Sabres fan; we don't let things go....)
 

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Holy crap I cannot believe it. What a game. Ovi getting ejected, Martinook coming back and making waves, Hamilton the Pig. What a crazy game. Easily the best of the series. Game 7 is going to be fantastic.

No one is giving credit to these teams like ours. CBJ doesn't get much positive press out of curb stomping the best regular season team, Dallas pulling off the improbable and beating Nashville, the Islanders taking down the Pens. These playoffs have been great so far.

Win or lose tomorrow night, this team has done more than I would have ever imagined. I know a few guys will leave in the off season, Ferland most notably, but if we can keep most of them together, we will be fantastic next year.
 

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  • CBJ: not much to talk about at this point; the series has been over for a week now. It's already been analyzed to death.
  • Dallas was playing very well at the end of the year after some early ups and downs. Nashvilles seems to be losing their window.
  • Islanders actually finished ahead of the Pens, so not entirely surprising there.
I thoroughly enjoyed seeing Ovi losing his cool. His strength is his intensity and emotion, but the Canes were excellent in pushing him over the edge. And the goal that was called back was totally the correct call. You can't bump into the goalie to knock the puck loose. I thought the Canes did a good job of capitalizing on their opportunities.

And I disagree with you that these teams aren't getting much press. For the coverage I'm watching and reading, the upstarts are the story of this year's playoffs.
 

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I guess I mean that there's more shock that the big seeds "played poorly" than there is about the smaller guys playing the game they've played all season. One of the NBC broadcasts of the 'Canes Caps series had one of those knuckleheads commenting that "the Capitals biggest weakness is when they play down to their opponents". I mean WTF is that about? Give credit where it's due, we are just as good as they are.

Nashville is done. I think you'll see a coaching change and maybe a GM move too. I think CBJ just got so much negative press at the end of the year. They basically sold the farm for some short term rentals and didn't see a ton of positives from that towards the end of the season. People were nay-saying them all the way into the playoffs. Even worse, they got matched up against the team that was supposed to win it all. They destroyed Tampa, and the press is still talking about "Tampa's epic meltdown" instead of how well CBJ played.

That goal was definitely no good, and he knows it. Same with Williams' goal on the high stick. Both were definitely no goals.
 

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NBC is schlock pedestrian stuff. I read some online stuff, and I listen to the SiriusXM NHL channel. They talk to a lot of the Canadian press and their general impression is that the upsets are due to parity in the league coupled with excellent preparation by the teams that are winning the series, regardless of playoff position.
 

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So here we go. Tonight completes round 1. While I would love for the Canes to win, I think the Caps will show up and bring their game. I predict Ovi will be the dominant force on the ice in response to the last game.

Once again there is Zero chance of a Canadian team winning the cup which makes me wonder if they even like hockey anymore.

Happy to see Vagas get knocked out and I am looking forward to seeing the clips of the win. It was too late and I am a morning person.

This is playoff hockey.
 

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Svech and Ferland are both game time decisions. If they both play, we look a LOT better.

'Canes have two of the best game 7 closers in the NHL. Justin Williams is THE best game 7 player in the history of the NHL, period. He has more points in game 7's than anyone else in the history of the game. Jordan Staal is also a force in game 7's. Both have winning records and both put up a ton of points.
 

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Happy to see Vagas get knocked out and I am looking forward to seeing the clips of the win.
The clips don't do it justice.

The Sharks went into the 3rd period trailing 2-0 and allowed another goal to make it 3-0. The Sharks were clearly beaten and setting up tee times. Pavelski gets cross-checked during a faceoff and goes down awkwardly. The crosscheck itself is somewhere between "let it go, it's playoff hockey" and "two-minute minor". But Pavelski hits his head on the ice hard, is bleeding and unconscious. So they call it as a 5 minute major and 10 minute game misconduct.

The Sharks come out and score immediately, making it 3-1. Because it's a major penalty, the full 5 minutes has to be served so the Sharks score another powerplay goal a minute later. Then another. And another. The San Jose fans go berserk. To get a feel for what was going on you really have to watch the whole sequence from the cross check to the fourth goal.

Late in the game a penalty was called against SJ. The Knights do everything but score, but the Sharks kill the penalty off. Then the Knights pull their goalie and score in the final minute to push the game to overtime.

The OT was a series of line rushes and sustained zone time for each team. One team or the other would get hemmed into their zone and look like they would never be able to clear, but then they would and it would turn around the other way. Finally Barclay Goodrow (4th line center who playeds less than 7 and a half minutes in 4 periods) receives a pass from Erik Karlsson, cuts in on goal and out-waits Fleury before sliding it into the far side of the goal.

I almost went to bed after the second period but it was worth it to see that comeback.

Knights fans will say the penalty call was too severe; Sharks fans will counter that it was the Vegas collapse during the penalty kill that doomed them, not the penalty itself.

The game was pretty epic.
 

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The crosscheck itself is somewhere between "let it go, it's playoff hockey" and "two-minute minor". But Pavelski hits his head on the ice hard, is bleeding and unconscious. So they call it as a 5 minute major and 10 minute game misconduct.
Now I understand why Vegas fans feel they were robbed. Game misconducts are reserved for "intent to injure" situations. I don't think that crosscheck met that standard at all. But the 5 minute major is totally justified, any injury on the penalty that results in blood being drawn is automatically a major. No way around that.
 

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Now I understand why Vegas fans feel they were robbed. Game misconducts are reserved for "intent to injure" situations. I don't think that crosscheck met that standard at all. But the 5 minute major is totally justified, any injury on the penalty that results in blood being drawn is automatically a major. No way around that.
Actually, the rule for cross-checking states intent to injure. There was no intent nor injury from the cross check itself; it was from Pavelski getting pushed into another Knight before hitting the ground- a series of unfortunate events that ended up with Pavelski landing very awkwardly and cutting his head. From what Galant (Vegas coach) said, the refs said it was a crosscheck to the face. While it clearly wasn't on the replays, it not unreasonable to think that's what the refs thought they saw.

That said, the ensuing meltdown by the Knights' penalty kill was of epic proportions. Never before in playoff hockey has a team allowed 4 goals on a 5 minute major. I'd be upset about the bad call if I were a Vegas fan, but I'd be even madder that my team so totally lost their composure under that set of circumstances.

So what you are telling me is it is worth watching the rebroadcast?
Watch from maybe the beginning of the 3rd period. You'll get the sense of what was going on for most of the game, then see the penalty and comeback.
 

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Oh I just watched that cross check on Pavelski. That was 100% the right call on both the 5 minute major and game misconduct.
 

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There's a lot of debate about that. The initial cross check was pretty run of the mill. But then he's pushed into another player who shoves him down, more out of reaction than out of malice. The end result is Pavelski hitting his head hard on the ice and apparently something inside his helmet cut him. The rule cites an intent to injure which doesn't really seem to be there, it's just a cross check that happened to end badly.

Vegas fans are comparing it to the missed interference call in the Saints-Rams NFC championship game. I don't think it's that bad. The initial cross check was indeed a penalty, probably of the two minute variety, but which probably doesn't get called late in a playoff game. The outcome though was something the refs felt the need to address by assessing a major and a game, which in a strict interpretation of the rules was not warranted.

I think it was probably too much of a penalty, but I also feel like Vegas can't blame the referee when they allowed a record breaking number of goals during the ensuing penalty. They should have been able to play through that and protect a 3-goal lead.

I don't have a rooting interest between those two, other than the thought that as an expansion team I think Vegas needs to pay their dues and not expect too much success right off the bat.


I don't generally like the Canes, but I like the David-vs-Goliath scenario of them knocking off the reigning champs and instilling a little anarchy in the NHL order of things.
 

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That was an awesome game. Really, from the start of the third period on, the Canes owned the Caps.
 

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That was an awesome game. Really, from the start of the third period on, the Canes owned the Caps.
They were a different team at the start of the second period. They started passing better, setting up their plays, following through on hits, and making it known that they would not go quietly into the night. Much like their name, the storm continued to build in intensity and both teams really stepped it up at the end of the 3rd and throughout the 1st OT.

Onto NY and round 2...
 

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I fell asleep during the first part of the 3rd period. Was very happy to see the final score this morning.
 

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I still can't really get over the fact that they WON. In Washington. Against the freaking defending champions and one of the best players in the world. And they did it because they were better, not because they got lucky.

We only beat the Islanders once in the regular season. They had 2 regulation losses and an overtime loss on opening day. We've had difficulty with both their goalies. Greiss always seems to play out of his mind against us. 2 former 'Canes on the Islanders too, Andrew Ladd (who was with the team in '06 and won the Stanley Cup with them) and Dennis Seidenberg. I've been exceedingly negative about the 'Canes chances because I'm used to disappointment with them, but I'm in now. We will beat the Islanders.
 

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We only beat the Islanders once in the regular season.
When I was living in Detroit and following the Wings quite closely in the 1990s, it seemed that between them and the Avalanche, whoever won the season series lost the playoff matchup.
 

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These OT games are going to kill me. I want Boston to win Round 2 but lose to the Canes in round 3. Then I want to see the Blues and the Avs win round 2, and then see the Canes beat the Blues for the Cup.



On a side note, the first woman to have her name engraved on the cup was Marguerite Norris who was the President of the Detroit Red Wings in 1954 and 1955.
 

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I still can't really get over the fact that they WON. In Washington. Against the freaking defending champions and one of the best players in the world. And they did it because they were better, not because they got lucky.

We only beat the Islanders once in the regular season. They had 2 regulation losses and an overtime loss on opening day. We've had difficulty with both their goalies. Greiss always seems to play out of his mind against us. 2 former 'Canes on the Islanders too, Andrew Ladd (who was with the team in '06 and won the Stanley Cup with them) and Dennis Seidenberg. I've been exceedingly negative about the 'Canes chances because I'm used to disappointment with them, but I'm in now. We will beat the Islanders.
We tuned in at the beginning of the 3rd period and what a thriller Game 7 turned out to be! The 'Canes just held it together and kept the pressure on the entire time, even through that awful delay of game penalty by Saku. You could tell how out of gas the players were in the OTs but the 'Canes just wanted it more.
 

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I can't believe we managed to take 2 games in New York. It came at a HUGE cost though. Mrazek day to day, Trevor van Riemsdyk out indefinitely (MRI scheduled for today), Maenalanen out 10-14 days after surgery on his hand. CMac did well coming in off the bench though.

Svech, Martinook, and Ferland are all still day to day. Ferland wasn't even on the trip, he stayed in Raleigh. Martinook took the ice for warm ups but didn't play. Jorge Alves cannot serve as our backup goalie since he is an employee of the team (for those that don't know, Alves is one of our equipment managers. He means a ton to the team. In 2016 he served as an emergency goal tender and actually played in the game, it was a HUGE deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Alves_(ice_hockey) ). I'm not sure who we will call up. I think it would be bad to bring in Alex Nedeljkovic from Charlotte right now, given their playoff position. Somehow, it'll probably be Scott Darling.

Either way, it is nice to have a 2 game cushion right now given all our injuries. With the next 2 games in Raleigh, we should have the upper hand even with AHL callups. FWIW, the Charlotte Checkers are the best team in the AHL by a long shot, so I have faith in whoever they call up.
 

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I'm pulling for the Canes, but I just can't help but be reminded of the 2006 playoff when the Canes beat the Sabres. The Buffalo view was that the only thing that gave it to the Canes was that so many Sabres were injured going into, and during, the series.
 
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