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Sports 🥌 2021 College Football thread

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With apologies to @Planit if he already started a thread on the upcoming season...

SEC Media Days generally mark the unofficial start of the college football season (this week is apparently also ACC Media Days, but no one cares about that). This year's edition of the various media days brings speculation that Texas and Oklahoma have reached out to the SEC about joining, which would kick off the inevitable move towards four 16-team "super conferences" for D-1 football if true.


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Let's see the current pre-season AP Poll:

1 Alabama
2 Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Texas A&M
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma
7. Georgia
8. Cincinnati
9. Iowa St.
10. Northwestern
11. BYU
12. Indiana
13. Florida
14. Coastal Carolina
15. Louisiana
16. Iowa
17. Liberty
18. North Carolina
19. Texas
20. Oklahoma St.
21. USC
22. Miami (Florida)
23. Ball State
24. San Jose St.
25. Buffalo

Some initial comments from this fan who does little more than tune in on Saturday afternoons:

  • Okay Ohio State (blah) can be #2 but the next highest ranked Big Ten Eleven Twelve Big ∞ teams are Northwestern, followed by Indiana? No Michigan, MSU, or Wisconsin?
  • The Ragin' Cajuns made the top 25 but not LSU?
  • Ball State at #23? I know some planner who will probably love that!
  • Buffalo at #25? Now that they've got an MLB team, Buffalo thinks they're becoming a real sports town!
 

MD Planner

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Eh. the AP is the last place to look at rankings. They're so focused on last year's results which have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. COVID impacted teams so differently across the board that a pre-season poll is even more ridiculous than usual. LSU, PSU, Wisconsin and probably Michigan are all more than likely top 25 teams. Play a few games and it will start to sort itself out. I'm not buying into the Indiana hype just yet. They're a solid team but they've gotta show me something in a "normal" year before I'm completely sold. And I like Tom Allen and think he's a terrific coach.

Not sure what to think about the Texas and Oklahoma SEC talk. My first question would be why? Especially Texas. They've got a great deal now with the Big 12 and their own network. Keep adding schools to the P5 conferences and you'll have to start talking about more conference games. The BIG 10 has gone to 9 and it's already done exactly the opposite of what they hoped it would do which is get more teams in the playoff. If you go to super conferences with 16 teams each I think you'll see some sort of pod system within the conferences.
 

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I agree that last year's crazy COVID season is having an outsized effect on the pre-season poll and it doesn't seem to matter if you're looking at the AP, or the Coaches or CBS or whomever, they all seem to have the same teams in the Top 25. I expect there will be some movement in those polls in the next few weeks and then everything will be really different after the first week.

I've got even less desire to go to a game this season than normal but I am looking forward to being able to tune in regularly on Saturdays again to watch Michigan.
 

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I've got even less desire to go to a game this season than normal but I am looking forward to being able to tune in regularly on Saturdays again to watch Michigan.

I'm exactly the opposite. I absolutely cannot wait to go to a game this year. I've already planned my trip to Happy Valley to see Auburn experience the White Out.
 

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I'm exactly the opposite. I absolutely cannot wait to go to a game this year. I've already planned my trip to Happy Valley to see Auburn experience the White Out.
One of my next door neighbors is a proud PSU alum. Other than that he's a pretty decent dude.
 

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Let's see the current pre-season AP Poll:

1 Alabama
2 Ohio State
3. Clemson
4. Texas A&M
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma
7. Georgia
8. Cincinnati
9. Iowa St.
10. Northwestern
11. BYU
12. Indiana
13. Florida
14. Coastal Carolina
15. Louisiana
16. Iowa
17. Liberty
18. North Carolina
19. Texas
20. Oklahoma St.
21. USC
22. Miami (Florida)
23. Ball State
24. San Jose St.
25. Buffalo

Some initial comments from this fan who does little more than tune in on Saturday afternoons:

  • Okay Ohio State (blah) can be #2 but the next highest ranked Big Ten Eleven Twelve Big ∞ teams are Northwestern, followed by Indiana? No Michigan, MSU, or Wisconsin?
  • The Ragin' Cajuns made the top 25 but not LSU?
  • Ball State at #23? I know some planner who will probably love that!
  • Buffalo at #25? Now that they've got an MLB team, Buffalo thinks they're becoming a real sports town!
Ball State will implode. That ranking is because they wasted more money on some indoor facilities. Gotta pretend that the MAC matters!

NIL funding will soon doom these pointless football schools like Ball State. I also think the super league concept is becoming more and more likely. SEC, Big10, ACC, and PAC12 will just play each other. Let the WAC, MAC, and A10 schools play each other. It can be the D1-2 level, somewhere between D2 and real football. ;)
 

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While I will continue to say GO BLUE... I think that the program has lost it's way and I have zero understanding why Harbaugh still has a job. ESPN looked at things over the next 3 years and Michigan didn't even make the list. Until there is a substantial culture shift with the organization, I don't think they will be a contender.
 

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bubba - no worries, glad you took up the cause.

Pre-season rankings are a complete joke, as I have said before, and even more so after last year's season(s).

Don't really think Texas or Oklahoma need to move to the SEC, but they are at least closer to the southeast than Notre Dame to the Atlantic Coast. Still thought's not something that should be considered.

I look more at things like Vandy leaving the SEC or Wake leaving ACC would be in this discussion too, but I don't see that.
 

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I look more at things like Vandy leaving the SEC or Wake leaving ACC would be in this discussion too, but I don't see that.
The only thing that could cause me to look favorably on Vandy leaving the SEC would be getting rid of their stupid basketball court.
 

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Iowa State top 10? Never thought I'd see the day. Cyclones above the Hawks?

I am hoping Iowa gets out of the sports business.

A guy making 500k as a QB isnt a student athlete.

Blow up the whole rotten mess.

Losing Iowa's swim team was the final straw for me.
 

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Ball State will implode. That ranking is because they wasted more money on some indoor facilities. Gotta pretend that the MAC matters!

NIL funding will soon doom these pointless football schools like Ball State. I also think the super league concept is becoming more and more likely. SEC, Big10, ACC, and PAC12 will just play each other. Let the WAC, MAC, and A10 schools play each other. It can be the D1-2 level, somewhere between D2 and real football. ;)

Spin them off as subsidiary corporations and get the schools out.
 

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bubba - no worries, glad you took up the cause.

Pre-season rankings are a complete joke, as I have said before, and even more so after last year's season(s).

Don't really think Texas or Oklahoma need to move to the SEC, but they are at least closer to the southeast than Notre Dame to the Atlantic Coast. Still thought's not something that should be considered.

I look more at things like Vandy leaving the SEC or Wake leaving ACC would be in this discussion too, but I don't see that.
Geography has nothing to do with the divisions anymore. It's all about the money.
 

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Apparently Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is a done deal, and has been in the works for six months; news of it only leaked because Texas A&M wanted to have a tantrum about being back in the same conference as UT. Personally, I'd prefer to see the SEC stay at 14 teams - bring in UT and OU, give South Carolina back to the ACC (where they belong), and help Missouri file the paperwork to drop down to Division II.
 

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Apparently Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC is a done deal, and has been in the works for six months; news of it only leaked because Texas A&M wanted to have a tantrum about being back in the same conference as UT. Personally, I'd prefer to see the SEC stay at 14 teams - bring in UT and OU, give South Carolina back to the ACC (where they belong), and help Missouri file the paperwork to drop down to Division II.
I like your mindset here. I say if this is going to happen, let's make the realignment much more grand.

Make the Big10, SEC, ACC, and Pac12 all 12 teams - 48 total. Make it a 12 game regular season, with 9 in conference and 3 (1 from each other conference) per season. Make the playoff include the top 3 teams from each conference (12) and four (4) at large teams from the rest of the world.

I prefer better football all year than watching MAC schools get killed for money.
 

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I like your mindset here. I say if this is going to happen, let's make the realignment much more grand.

Make the Big10, SEC, ACC, and Pac12 all 12 teams - 48 total. Make it a 12 game regular season, with 9 in conference and 3 (1 from each other conference) per season. Make the playoff include the top 3 teams from each conference (12) and four (4) at large teams from the rest of the world.

I prefer better football all year than watching MAC schools get killed for money.

Wait, in this scenario I wouldn't have to watch Michigan play teams like Appalachian State each year?

You might be onto something here!
 
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I like your mindset here. I say if this is going to happen, let's make the realignment much more grand.

Make the Big10, SEC, ACC, and Pac12 all 12 teams - 48 total. Make it a 12 game regular season, with 9 in conference and 3 (1 from each other conference) per season. Make the playoff include the top 3 teams from each conference (12) and four (4) at large teams from the rest of the world.

I prefer better football all year than watching MAC schools get killed for money.
Yeah, but that money helps the sacrificial lamb schools fund their programs. It may not be fun to watch but it does help.
 

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Yeah, but that money helps the sacrificial lamb schools fund their programs. It may not be fun to watch but it does help.
Exactly. Cut those schools programs. If men's wrestling can't fund themselves, neither should we have to watch men's football waste money.
 

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Exactly. Cut those schools programs. If men's wrestling can't fund themselves, neither should we have to watch men's football waste money.

Higher education has no role in this going forward. This is all absurd.
 

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Higher education has no role in this going forward. This is all absurd.
To be fair, it never did. The idea that Zion Williamson picked Duke or Great Player #1 picked Alabama because he was getting a great education is laughable. Basketball and Football in the NCAA has never been about academics for schools. Why do you think the SEC is better than all other conferences at football... :smirk:
 

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Why do you think the SEC is better than all other conferences at football... :smirk:
Hink finally admitted it!


However you forgot to put tosu in that same category. Football players don't go there for an education, they go to play a cupcake football schedule and perennial #2 ranking. :p ;)
 

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To be fair, it never did. The idea that Zion Williamson picked Duke or Great Player #1 picked Alabama because he was getting a great education is laughable. Basketball and Football in the NCAA has never been about academics for schools. Why do you think the SEC is better than all other conferences at football... :smirk:

Perhaps...but now having "student-athletes" bank a million puts it into a new phase. Its time for higher education to get out.
 

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Eh, yeah there will be some that make some serious dough. But that's the exception, not the norm.
 

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The Cyclones have a very good team and outstanding coaches. It happens every 30 or 40 years or so. As a big fan and alum, I refuse to get on the hype train, however.

I agree with H66 in that NIL and now Texas and OU blowing up the Big 12 for reason except for money, it has put a really bad taste in my mouth.
 

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I'm exactly the opposite. I absolutely cannot wait to go to a game this year. I've already planned my trip to Happy Valley to see Auburn experience the White Out.
This game might be ugly. New coach, sub-par recruiting and lot of upperclassmen hit the transfer portal. It's the quietest summer around Auburn from a football perspective that I've ever seen.
 

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Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC is a done deal (pending the SEC members "official" vote, which will be 13 -1 in favor), now it's just a matter of when they can make the move - pay a buyout and start SEC play in 2022, or wait until their current TV deal expires and start SEC pay in 2025.

There is also a rumor that the SEC has been quietly talking to Clemson, Florida State, Michigan, and tOSU. I think Vandy will give up and drop down to D-III for football if that's true...
 

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How do you win your conference if there are 20 teams in it? I've heard that rumor too but seriously, can you see OSU and UM leaving the BIG? I'm hearing that the BIG will listen but they're absolutely still on board with only admitting schools that are AAU. Except ND for which they'd make an exception. Which is BS but whatever.
 

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So basically it will be one 'league' if you will and the rankings 1-20 are applied. 2 divisional champs will play against each other for the national championship.

Minor League NFL!



All other schools will stay in their conferences and play like they have with a playoff & championship - aka FCS (Div 1A).
 

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Other rumor is Oregon, USC, Washington to the Big10. If that happens, than the PAC12 implodes along with the Big12.

So we are looking at two conferences that matter (plus Clemson in the ACC). Clemson goes SEC or Big10 and we just move on from whatever college football was before.

Maybe we then get back to other schools having athletes that want an education or choose a school for the potential to get an education. Football has absolutely create a terrible financial situation for most mid-major schools. The NEED to invest in facilities to get the 3rd tier players has created a money suck that just ends up requiring schools to cut sports that don't cost that much to have.

The sooner the meteor hits the better it will be for all the other schools who aren't in the BIG Leagues. By the way, I vote for the new mega-league to be called the BIG League. Just saying.
 

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A third of NFL players are not from Power 5 schools. Yes, it's a money suck but the reality is most of the non-revenue sports would not be able to exist without football. It just wouldn't happen. There's no easy answer here.
 

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A third of NFL players are not from Power 5 schools. Yes, it's a money suck but the reality is most of the non-revenue sports would not be able to exist without football. It just wouldn't happen. There's no easy answer here.
Sports generally don't make money. Football certainly doesn't. There is just no data (beyond the 8 big schools) that supports football actually making money. Basketball is different (there are only 12 scholarships, etc.). But football it is clear.

Football is non-revenue if you actually look at its expenses. Schools pretend like because they got a donation that the maintenance costs and very small gate revenue somehow covers the flights to play Ohio State in Columbus. But they don't.

What hopefully will happen is that the 1/3 of players from non-power 5 schools will play another sport, or get to the NFL through D2. There is no shame in that. Minor league baseball players are never judged because they went through a different farm system.

The point is that when objectively looking at all the costs, Football is a HUGE negative to all sports programs in college beyond the big 8. Otherwise they are a money suck that creates an environment that doesn't support athletes or the university.

PS. Ball State gives away tickets to the games, and uses university fees on students to pay for their football team. Add to that the fact that they have to get paid to get killed by teams and you understand more of the story. Plus they just built a $14 million indoor facility, to try and convince reasonable players to pick them over... wait for it... Purdue and Indiana :omg:. It is a joke, but we like football, so we let that joke play out.

Let the change happen and hopefully it will be enough to let these schools give up on football. It is 85 scholarships. That is a lot of scholarships to be mediocre. Put that money into a swimmer who could actually make it. Or an educational building. Or anything but football facilities that cost a lot, and really do nothing for the financial situation of a university.
 

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I prefer to watch college over NFL. The same with basketball. Have had no interest in the NBA since "Stockton to Malone" is no longer uttered.
With that said, the NCAA football season is coming up. While I do like to watch, just not the same without Keith Jackson. But I will still watch.
 

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While I do like to watch, just not the same without Keith Jackson. But I will still watch.
So, one day last week the morning drivetime program on whichever radio station Mrs. Bubba has playing for background noise in her home office was debating "who would you have narrate the documentary of your life if Morgan Freeman wasn't available?" My answer:

1a. Vin Scully
1b. Keith Jackson (if I had a time machine)
 

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I prefer to watch college over NFL. The same with basketball. Have had no interest in the NBA since "Stockton to Malone" is no longer uttered.
With that said, the NCAA football season is coming up. While I do like to watch, just not the same without Keith Jackson. But I will still watch.
I prefer college basketball over the NBA. Conversely, I prefer pro football over college. However, that line is starting to blur now.
 

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:r:
Every. Freakin'. Year.
Why? Because no one can forget how Knute Rockne coached a winning "one for the Gipper"....101 years ago!
Because it's Notre Dame. No one school has gotten more undeserved mileage out of a myth than Notre Dame. They are almost as bad as the Dallas Cowboys and the whole BS of being "America's Team" in pro football.
 

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I am going to see my #18 Hawkeyes host the #17 Indiana Hoosiers tomorrow. Weather in the 70's, gonna be great. First game in 2 years. Have not seen any of the old college buddies in a while and will get to so that is exciting.

Will be a tough game.
 

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I am going to see my #18 Hawkeyes host the #17 Indiana Hoosiers tomorrow. Weather in the 70's, gonna be great. First game in 2 years. Have not seen any of the old college buddies in a while and will get to so that is exciting.

Will be a tough game.
:rofl:

Try opening the season vs Clemson.
 

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Happy to see my Sun Devils in maroon and gold like they should be instead of all these crazy black, grey, camo, white uniforms. They killed some poor little school, but I'm hoping for a decent year.

On a side note of college stupid, there's a petition to get rid of the Devil mascot and change to the Sun Angles. Because you know...it's offensive. :sick:
 

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Eh. the AP is the last place to look at rankings. They're so focused on last year's results which have to be taken with a huge grain of salt. COVID impacted teams so differently across the board that a pre-season poll is even more ridiculous than usual. LSU, PSU, Wisconsin and probably Michigan are all more than likely top 25 teams. Play a few games and it will start to sort itself out. I'm not buying into the Indiana hype just yet. They're a solid team but they've gotta show me something in a "normal" year before I'm completely sold. And I like Tom Allen and think he's a terrific coach.

Not sure what to think about the Texas and Oklahoma SEC talk. My first question would be why? Especially Texas. They've got a great deal now with the Big 12 and their own network. Keep adding schools to the P5 conferences and you'll have to start talking about more conference games. The BIG 10 has gone to 9 and it's already done exactly the opposite of what they hoped it would do which is get more teams in the playoff. If you go to super conferences with 16 teams each I think you'll see some sort of pod system within the conferences.
agreed re the AP poll comment. I make a spreadsheet that tracks all the polls...im a bit of a nerd

Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC is a done deal (pending the SEC members "official" vote, which will be 13 -1 in favor), now it's just a matter of when they can make the move - pay a buyout and start SEC play in 2022, or wait until their current TV deal expires and start SEC pay in 2025.

There is also a rumor that the SEC has been quietly talking to Clemson, Florida State, Michigan, and tOSU. I think Vandy will give up and drop down to D-III for football if that's true...
i would give up everything if these teams join SEC. ick.
 

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Ohio State didn't look great last night, but hopefully Stroud just had first game jitters or Minnesota isn't terrible...
 

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i would give up everything if these teams join SEC. ick.

Michigan and OSU are not leaving the B1G. Unlike the SEC, the Big 10 is an academic conference with the CEC of which the University of Chicago is still a member.
 
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