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Ann Coulter, did she say this?

Quail64

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There is this quote floating around the internet of Ann Coulter that I was wondering if she really said. If she did, does anyone know where it's from?

The culprit-

 

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[IGNORANT] Ummmm. Who is Ann Coulter and why would it matter?[/IGNORANT]

If it was spoken, it is unbelievably brash.
 

Quail64

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She's a "conservative intellectual." Kind of the antithesis of Al Franken. Author of such conservative rants as - High Crimes and Misdemeanors: The Case Against Bill Clinton and Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right.

I'm just wondering if the quote is true, because she is listened to and her rants are taken to heart by many Americans.
 

AubieTurtle

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She has said plenty of crazy things that have offended even Republicans, such as defending Joseph McCarthy as a great American. The crazier the things she says, the more attention she gets, which leads to more $$$ for her books and speaking engagements.
 

JNA

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I must plead ignorance.
I am not sure could even explain what she stands for, believes, values, etc.
or what channel she is on.
I guess I don't watch / listen to the right TV / radio show;
let alone surround myself with people that repeat what she said or not.
 

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Quail64 said:
There is this quote floating around the internet of Ann Coulter that I was wondering if she really said. If she did, does anyone know where it's from?
Yes, she really said it. The words concluded a column published in the National Review on 13 September, 2001. Here's the context of the quote.

Ann Coulter said:
Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now.

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
 

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freewaytincan said:
She speaks as much for conservatives as Osama bin Laden does for Arabs..
The conservative talk and news media (radio and television) tend to treat her as a credible source.

Many nominal conservatives tend to get their news and personal views from these media, so she has a lot of influence in the "conservative" world.

In my opinion, the conservative media has become pretty bizarre. But there are a lot of formerly "normal" people who have become parrots for that media.
 

Miles Ignatius

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Mutant Conservatism

...Ms. Coulter and her fellow travellers are an indication of how the extreme right sucessfully skewed the discourse is this nation to a point where someone with even the modest "centrist" views are perceived as blaspemy.

And it appalls me she's peddles her vile swill in the cloak of "conservatism" which runs contrary to the noble tradition of 'true' conservative thought - Edmund Burke, Bill Buckley, et.al.

...I blow my nose in her general direction! :-@
 

michaelskis

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Wow... I am republic and catholic, and I think that this lady is nuts for saying something like that! I have never heard of this person, but I think that she gives Christian Conservatives a bad name

*as for religion, I believe that everyone has a right to choose what ever religion they choose, and I do not think that it is right to force someone into a religion that they do not choose, nor is it right to attach those who are not of the same religion.
 

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yeah, Ann Coulter also says that McCarthyism never existed. She's more like Bill O'Reilly's better half than an "intellectual conservative"

and if i could interject - People keep calling me a liberal. I keep trying to explain that i'm not a liberal and they'll say "liberal, lefty, whatever" to which i say "liberal and leftist are not interchangeable, unless of course you think Bill Gates and Hugo Chavez have a lot in common." (i don't think i have much in common with the left either but that's beside the point)

On the other side of the coin you have people like John McCain and probably Colin Powell who really are conservatives and you have people like O'Reilly and Coulter who label themselves conservatives but are really right-wingers who border on ranting and raving lunatics.

In reality the political spectrum is not linear, it's multi-dimensional, and liberals and conservatives occupy different sides of the center. They both believe in the power of the existing system. Where they disagree is how to make that system work better.

Or like i say "conservatives think capitalism will save the world and liberals think taxes on capitalism will save the world."
 

BKM

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A great book I keep returning to, False Dawn, posits that today's Republican right is about as "conservative" as Mao. :) The author posts that the ideology of pure marketism (not free by any means) is indeed a RADICAL proposition. They may speak of "families" and "community values" but the economics of the purist free marketers completely ignore the destructiveness of the forces they worship. He also points out that such a system requires a government intervention and even force.

(Note. I'm not a socialist. I just don't buy the argument that markets are the only thing that matter).

Edit: jresta-I take it you would define yourself (in soundbite terms) as a anarcho-socialist? :)
 

Miles Ignatius

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BKM said:
A great book I keep returning to, False Dawn, posits that today's Republican right is about as "conservative" as Mao. :) The author posts that the ideology of pure marketism (not free by any means) is indeed a RADICAL proposition. They may speak of "families" and "community values" but the economics of the purist free marketers completely ignore the destructiveness of the forces they worship. He also points out that such a system requires a government intervention and even force.

BKM - Who's the author of False Dawn? I'd like to get a copy.
Thanks, Miles
 

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jresta said:
{snip} Or like i say "conservatives think capitalism will save the world and liberals think taxes on capitalism will save the world."
Outstanding! I generally think of myself as a Republican that believes in what once was the party's mantra: less government is better government. The problem being that the complexities of modern society have undermined that philosophy -- there really are some things the government does in the public interest better than the private sector ever could (FDA, as an example). Unfortunately, the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt has been completely hijacked by the religious right (if not outright, it is guilty by association). I am conflicted by my liberal leanings -- in that working with the public, I see the need for "paternal leadership".

So I educate myself about the candidates as best I can and vote for the one I believe will best do the job.
 

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Miles Ignatius said:
BKM - Who's the author of False Dawn? I'd like to get a copy.
Thanks, Miles
Although I would urge you to visit the local hippy-owned bookstore for your copy :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/002-7188406-3747227?v=glance&s=books

An imperfect book. More of a polemic than a real "analysis," this book was written by a former Thatcher adviser who increasingly felt that the neolibertarian economics position had some difficulties. Negatives: He doesn't fully define his case or "prove" it, it's not 100% convincing, the book BADLY needed a good editor, it's a few years old, and, he doesn't provide a clear "alternative" to the neoliberal world order that he dislikes so much.

But I still found it very, very interesting brief read.

I also recommend this book along different, but similar lines: Egotopia. He makes Kunstler seem kind. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0817309012/002-7188406-3747227?v=glance
 

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BKM said:
Although I would urge you to visit the local hippy-owned bookstore for your copy :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/002-7188406-3747227?v=glance&s=books

An imperfect book. More of a polemic than a real "analysis," this book was written by a former Thatcher adviser who increasingly felt that the neolibertarian economics position had some difficulties. Negatives: He doesn't fully define his case or "prove" it, it's not 100% convincing, the book BADLY needed a good editor, it's a few years old, and, he doesn't provide a clear "alternative" to the neoliberal world order that he dislikes so much.

But I still found it very, very interesting brief read.

I also recommend this book along different, but similar lines: Egotopia. He makes Kunstler seem kind. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0817309012/002-7188406-3747227?v=glance
BKM: Many thanks and I'm off to my local independent bookseller to procure a copy and one of "Egotopia" as well....looking forward to reading somebody who has the literary capacities to make Kunstler seem kind......
 

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If anyone is interested in the "where do we go from here" i'd suggest checking out
the Post-Corporate World by David Korten that critiques the current system then lays out a strategy for a future of inter-dependent but localized economies.

BKM said:
Edit: jresta-I take it you would define yourself (in soundbite terms) as a anarcho-socialist? :)
honestly i don't have a soundbite for myself and I'm not sure what you mean by socialism. To me socialism, (in the economic sense) is France or Germany, which is OK i guess but i'm not that interested. If you mean communism (in the strict economic sense) i'm def. not interested. If you mean syndicalism (where the shops are worker run cooperatives) i guess that's slightly attractive . . . but here is why i said "i don't think i have very much in common with the left" - To me the central argument in socialism, syndicalism, communism is: "why let the bosses run hell when we can run hell ourselves!"

I don't find hell appealing. That's to say that i don't think industrialism is viable. Actually, i know it's not. Socialism, syndicalism, communism are all based on an industrial model and, as the Soviets have shown, the environmental consequences can be even worse than the capitalist version and the economics surely aren't any better.

I could go on but you should be getting the point. I can't relate to the left in an economic sense and i certainly can't relate to the left in a social sense. I have some pretty "traditional" views on family that some feminists flip out about - not that i advocate traditional gender roles - but that extended families or groups of extended families should be the basis of society.
 

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I've found Ann Coulter's perfect husband. These comments come from talk radio host Michael Savage (what a name):

"I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. I think a thousand of them held in the Iraqi prison should be given 24 hour -- a trial and executed. I think they need to be shown that we are not going to roll over to them ... Instead of putting joysticks, I would have liked to have seen dynamite put in their orifices and they should be dropped from airplanes ... They should put dynamite in their behinds and drop them from 35,000 feet, the whole pack of scum out of that jail."

"Right now, even people sitting on the fence would like George Bush to drop a nuclear weapon on an Arab country. They don't even care which one it would be. I can guarantee you -- I don't need to go to Mr. Schmuck [pollster John] Zogby and ask him his opinion ... The most -- I tell you right now -- the largest percentage of Americans would like to see a nuclear weapon dropped on a major Arab capital. They don't even care which one...

"I think these people need to be forcibly converted to Christianity ... It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings."
 

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AubieTurtle said:
I've found Ann Coulter's perfect husband. These comments come from talk radio host Michael Savage (what a name):

"I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow . . .
"I think these people need to be forcibly converted to Christianity ... It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings."
Savage is right - and his group is called what? Christian Jihad?
Hey, i say let them have their Holy Wars, they can kill each other all they want just leave me out of it.
 

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I can handle Rush, I even find him funny at times. O'Reilly is a blowhard, but he can actually be more balanced than one would think.

Michael Savage is just plain vile. I really think it's more than an act with him. He and his wife assaulted a camera crew in San Francisco once when the crew were filming (with the police) a video. He ran up to the film crew and started foaming at the mouth about how they were evil and that they should just let the police alone. A dereanged individual.

I've lost a lot of respect for one of my co-workers, a very kindly individual who lectured us for being less than politically correct about the homeless. She earnestly stated that torture was jsut a-ok with her. She actually drove 45 miles to see Michael Savage in Sacramento :(

I have no right to judge anyone, but this torture thing, and some of the responses to it, really make me worry.
 

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AubieTurtle said:
These comments come from talk radio host Michael Savage (what a name):

"I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. I think a thousand of them held in the Iraqi prison should be given 24 hour -- a trial and executed...

"They should put dynamite in their behinds and drop them from 35,000 feet, the whole pack of scum out of that jail...

"Right now, even people sitting on the fence would like George Bush to drop a nuclear weapon on an Arab country. They don't even care which one it would be...

"I think these people need to be forcibly converted to Christianity ... It's the only thing that can probably turn them into human beings."


Sometimes I wonder just how close we are to turning into a nation none of us would recognize...
 
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