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Back Pain

donk

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Just spoke to my Dr. and it appears that I may have a back problem.

Anyone here have lower back pain related to compressed or misformed disks? Any suggestions on how you've delt with it would be appreciated. And please don't say yoga or tai chi, I've already tried both and besides being really boring they contribute / heighten the sensations related to my symptoms.

The only good news with this is that it looks like a dual suspension mountain bike is in my future.
 

Queen B

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They used to remove the damaged disks and just leave the disk to rub or would fuse them together.
There is suppose to be a new wonder substance that they can replace them and they say after surgery they are better than before. I saw it on one of those medical shows sorry I can't give you specifics.
Although you really don't want to hear, water aerobics is good because you take the weight pressure off but get the work out.
 

The Irish One

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There is hope

My dad had disc problems in the lower back. He was in excuciating pain for 2 years. With some pain relievers and 2 pages of excersise instructions, he fixed it. The doctor gave him the rom (range of motion) instructions and they were simple stretches. Because his back was so bad, the stretches were really hard for him. This isn't tai chi or yoga, just regular rehab to get the disk back in place - with a little luck and a lot of consistent hard work. Now 10 years later he's taking a 6 week backpacking trip with 45 pound pack on his back.
 
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donk - i hope they can get something figured out for you. When my mom was a little girl, she fell down a gully and landed on her head and it whacked out her neck and she never saw anyone about it until her late 40's. she goes to a chiropractor and massage therapist, does yoga and warm compresses, but is finally moving into more medical channels. Neck and back injuries just suck, because they impact your life on almost a daily basis.
 

donk

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A bit of history on this.

i have been trying to get this figured out for a year.

I have done the chiro route (3 months), just made the symptoms worse.

I have done the physio route (1 year), some relief, but we seem to have hit a plateau on the road to recovery.

Have done lots of stretching and ROM excercises on my hips, lower back and kness, this just tends to inflame the symptoms.

Medical Dr's have been no / little help, 5 month wait to see an orthopaedic guy and then he gets mad because your family Dr. did not order any tests, orders tests and says see you in another 5-9 months.

The only reason i found anything out is that a neurologist ordered an MRI to see if their was nerve problems.

Ah the joy of always being healthy then bang sick/injured.
 

Greenescapist

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I am getting treated for a similiar back problem right now. While they don't think I have a slipped disc, something is pinching a nerve that runs down my arm. All throughout the day, I lose nerve sensation and have to stand up, stretch out and hope that I can feel my fingers again.

I've been doing yoga for a couple of years and find that the muscle pain and numbness is better after a session. I know you poo-poohed it, but give it a try again. At least it's good exercise and helps strengthen your bones and muscles.

I'm seeing an MD now who specializes in acupuncture. I've had 3 acupuncture treatments and haven't seen improvement yet, but I'll give it a few more weeks. Maybe you could try that, but I think it serves more for pain and nerve problems.
 

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d - this may be of interest to you. Let me set the scene...

A little town outside of Florence, Italy, where a sunburnt and hungover 20-year old is furiously tossing dirt into a trench (not a gansgter film, it was an archaeological dig that we were packing up for the season). The pile of dirt was on my left, the trench was on my right. Swing left, shovel, swing right, dump.

Typical repetitive stress injury set-up, no?

So after one solid toss, I crumple to the ground, unable to get up. No pain yet, just an inability to use my lower back. I decided I had pulled a muscle in my back and so went on the stretch the hell out of it.

Terrible idea.

The pain began later that night, and slowly but surely, I was almost totally incapacitated. Many horrible days of pain and a 26 hour flight back to Kentucky later, I end up at my uncle's office for a diagnosis: my second vertebra from the bottom was shattered.

Turns out that this is not so uncommon. That, and it was probably broken since I was twelve; the condition was caused by a congenitally weak bone that stress fractured over time into about eighteen pieces. Swinging the shovel around twisted the two main pieces (top and bottom) against each other and scraped along my right sciatic nerve (running down my right leg, making it extremely painful to walk).

I was told it wasn't particularly uncommon, but most people who had it never bothered to get an x-ray. The prescription? Lots of ab-work and lower back exercise when I got better.

You may want to look into that, if it's a possibility.
 

donk

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Thanks for the advice.

I have had accupuncture and am a big fan of it, however, it seems to be less and less effective each time I go.

I've had x-rays, cat scans and an MRI looking for problems, it was the MRI that finally picked it up. I go next week for a bone density scan.

It is not that I pooh poohed yoga and tai chi, it is that they don't match my personality and the people involved annoy the hell out of me.

if I could trust the MD that I've been assigned, I think things would go better, but since his best medical advice has been to wear warmer socks and to not do things if they bother you and the excercises he gave me made things worse I am pretty much in limbo.
 

PlannerByDay

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DONK - and everyone else

I too have lower back problems. They started in 1993, and since I've gotten "better" I have had only 3 relapses all because of stupid things like falling off ladders. It was dumb don't ask.

I did physical therapy at the sports med. clinic for 3 mo. at my school and it only made things worse. One day the pain was so bad my girlfriend took me to the Emerg. Room were I got lots of drugs to get me by and within 2 days I had an MIR and was told I have degenerative disc disease (drying of the liquid in the spongy disc) and as a result I Herniated disc between L4-L5.

The Orthopedic surg. suggested I go the the public library and get a video called "saying good-bye to bad backs" It is a three-week exercise program intended to get the disc back in place. By the end of the second week I was feeling almost back to normal.

I continue to do these excersices when I feel discomfort and within a day or so along with some bed rest I am better.

If you have pain or weird feelings in you leg, it is likely a herniated disc.

Good luck I know how you feel. It sucks.
 

Greenescapist

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Josh,

Do you remember the name of that video? It might we worth a shot for me, but I have an upper-back problem (muscle spasm and pinched nerve).

Thanks!
 

Tom R

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disc

I have (had) a herneated disc (Lumbar #5, lower back.) I went to a back specialist and he sent me to do physical therapy. They seemed to help, especially the stretches and leg lifts, all aimed to strengthen stomach muscles. (By the way, I've been neglecting them and need to start back into the routine.) Personally, I would have avoided surgery at all costs. I've seen what other people have gone through with back surgery. Most went through hell, some with little or no improvement.
 

PlannerByDay

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Greenescapist

Just called the library and here is what I can tell you.

It is called "Say Goodbye to Back Pain" it was made in 1985 by Westwood Production and is based on the work of Hans Krauss. Hans is very well know in the the treatment of back pain and worked with JFK.

It worked for me and I have recommended it to many people and it has seemed to work for many of them as well.

Good Luck
 
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