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Bush - Term 2? What you think, not what you hope!

Will George W. Bush be reelected as President of the US in 2004?

  • Yes, and he will carry 48 states.

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Yes, by a slim margin of the popular vote.

    Votes: 16 35.6%
  • Yes, by the US Supreme Court - Again!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes. the Greens (Nadar or someone similar) will screw it up again!

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • No, Bush will go down like Mondale and Dukakis did.

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • No, Bush will lose, but it will be close.

    Votes: 13 28.9%
  • In the year 2004 elections will be a thing of the past. All praise Our Glorious Chairman Ashcroft.

    Votes: 3 6.7%
  • I don't have an opinion, and people like me better this way.

    Votes: 3 6.7%
  • I have an entirely other point of view which I explain below:

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .

el Guapo

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KEEP THIS IN MIND: This poll is not over what you WISH will happen. This is a poll on what you THINK will happen.


I'm putting a 30 day time limit on this poll. I'll do another in six months and then as we close in, I'll post them more frequently. It should be interesting to track what the throbbing brain of Cyburbia thinks over time. Thanks for playing.
 

Tom R

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2004

I don't see how any of the nine Democrat dwarves can win unless something really nasty happens.

Bush's worst nightmare - HILLARY!
 

tsc

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I think his republican tephlon coating has gotten a few too many scratches in it....
 

El Feo

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My prediction, which I try to render dispassionately. You all know me...


Bush wins:

Popular margin - very slim, but winner has over 50% for the 1st time in a long time. It will however not even be close in the electoral college.
 

NHPlanner

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As much as I want to see him lose....I think based on the vote of the midwest, he'll carry the electoral college.
 

mendelman

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Unfortunately, I think Bush will be re-elected as Prez. in 2004. First, he has the potential to spend $200 million on his campaign. I really doubt any challenger will even come close. Bush Campaign '04 will simply flood our lives with the greatness and compassion of Bushy. B-)

Thankfully, he's term limited, unless of course some new amendment to the Patriot Act says otherwise :-c;-)

another five years of listening to his voice. [Editorial] I can't stand to hear him speak, he sounds like a puppet [/Editorial]
 
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Jeff

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God willing he will win.

No Hillary please! That is this country's worst nightmare.
 

Repo Man

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Unfortunatly, he will win. The Democratic field stinks. Dean is too left-leaning. Why else would Bush and his cronies be pulling for him? They know that Bush/Dean contest would look like the Regan/Mondale results. Wes Clark is looking more and more like a phoney too.

The only way I could see him losing is if there is another terrorist attack or if the Iraq situation gets worse.

I was debating with a Green Party member yesterday. I believe that there will be a Green candidate that will drop out of the race in Early September 04 and endorse the Democratic candidate. He claims that no Green would ever do that. It is my belief that people want Bush out so bad that this scenerio is almost gauranteed.

As a side note, I agree with mendelman. Has there ever been a president who has spoken more terribly than him? He uses catch phrases and seems like he has no confidence. He seems like a high school kid giving his first speech every time he goes out there. When you listened to Clinton, Bush I, and even Reagan, they were eloquent and you got the feeling that they really knew what thew were talking about. With GW, you feel like he is reading a teleprompter without giving any thought to what he is reading.
 
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Tranplanner

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I must admit I haven't been following American politics as closely as usual in the past few months. I really thought the entry of Wes Clark in the dem race would have totally changed the race, and the democrats would have had a fighting chance. None of the other candidates have impressed me much. I still think the dems could win, but it will be close.
 

Seabishop

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Repo Man said:

The only way I could see him losing is if there is another terrorist attack or if the Iraq situation gets worse.
I wonder if another major terrorist attack in the US would hurt or help his chances? I think people would have greater resolve to "smoke em out" in Bush's words, and people would think of the dems as too soft on terrorism. Hopefully we'll never know.

I agree that Bush will be re-elected. Just wait until his tv ads showing him as the hero who stopped Osama and Saddam.
 

El Feo

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I will go on record here and now as saying I think the only Dems currently in the race that would have a real shot at beating Bush are Gephardt & Lieberman (with Gephardt having the edge, IMHO).

Too bad for the Democrats neither have a chance at the nomination right now, though I think Dean may just now be starting to self-immolate.
 

Duke Of Dystopia

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He wins a narrow victory.

Because the Democratic party is dead. They have no message other than

1 currant levels of government service will cost you more
2 If you are rich, you don't need a tax cut
3 If you are middle class, a tax cut won't help you much any way so you don't get one
4 We have no idea how to stop hemoraging "good" jobs out of country, but if we take more money from you, we might figure it out
5 We are the oposition party, so we opose everything conservative, but that does not mean we can articulate an adaquate competing and understandable plan that does not cost you more.
6 The constituency is moribound, complacent, content to just sit and bitch, and aging
7 Not willing to take a bold move.
8 Leadership is not bold nor inovative

beattles tune playing "I say black...you say wite, I say why....you say I don't know, you say goodbye and I say hello.........."


Oh for the wish of real oposition party that can make sense. I hate my own party :( I just dislike the other one more :( :( :(
 

H

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He will win. Tuesdays local elections just go to show you how republican the nation is voting right now.
 

Tom R

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El Feo said:
I will go on record here and now as saying I think the only Dems currently in the race that would have a real shot at beating Bush are Gephardt & Lieberman (with Gephardt having the edge, IMHO).

Too bad for the Democrats neither have a chance at the nomination right now, though I think Dean may just now be starting to self-immolate.
I agree.

Scary, ain't it.
 

Rumpy Tunanator

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Does it really matter, I mean the 2 party system has been putting out a lot of tools lately. I voted for that socialist/commie bastard Nadar in 2000 because:
A. I was sick of the Clinton Administration and Gore's wife who has been crusading against explicit language in the music industry, oh and because Al said he invented the internet.
B: Already had one Bush, do I really want another? No. Anyone who talks that slow makes me want to scream.
C: No good Independant canidate
D: Somebody told me if I vote for Nader, I'm throwing my vote away. Guess what I did, but at least I made the point that I'm sick of the 2 party status quo. I knew he wasn't going to win stupid!(thank you Jimmy Norton).

Who will I vote for in 2004? Write in Ballot for Rumpy Tuna. See you at the White House!
 

Richmond Jake

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Although the President is vulnerable on many issues (Osama, WMD, where are you? remember the Road Map to Peace?), I see him getting re-elected by a slim margin (without my vote).
 

Gedunker

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This from a Rockefeller Republican: I am one of the two so far that believe 43 is gonna get slammed and deserves it. People are fed up with the economy (although the market is flirting with 10,000 again) but that the money isn't local -- it really is the economy, stoopid. Sorry stoopids ;-)

More, though, is that I am sick of the lies and deception about Sept'r 11 (release the damn documents already!!); WMD; Osama/Saddam partnership (yeah right!); the opposition to Kyoto and head in the sand environmental policies; and, just all the other crapola this administration has tried to foist on this country. Kerry '04.
 

Greenescapist

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I think Bush is a disaster, but like lots of other people have said, the Democratic field stinks and Bush will probably be reelected. I am hoping that Wes Clark's candidacy catches fire. I think he has the perfect combination of skills, intellect and geographical background - the South - to get elected. The Bubba model plus military experience. Like Repo said, the only way I see Bush going down is if the Iraq situation doesn't improve, or the economy doesn't look any rosier.
 

ilikefish0

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el Guapo said:
It should be interesting to track what the throbbing brain of Cyburbia thinks over time. Thanks for playing.
Don't you mean throbbing brian (TM)?
 

Cardinal

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Unfortunately, the Democrats can't seem to come up with a coherent message. Despite the anger over much of what Bush has done, he will win the electoral college (maybe not the popular vote).
 

Jen

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Well I don't happen to believe that 280 million Americans are gonna step in line with GWB's groupthink and collectively shrug their shoulders and hand over another four years. Especially if he chooses Cheney as his VP again (is that a given?)
 

Tom R

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Jen said:
Well I don't happen to believe that 280 million Americans are gonna step in line with GWB's groupthink and collectively shrug their shoulders and hand over another four years. Especially if he chooses Cheney as his VP again (is that a given?)
More cholesterol, More cholesterol, More cholesterol, More cholesterol.....
 

SkeLeton

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I know you don't want to hear it from me, but I think that the US 2 party political system just blows...

Will Bush be re-elected? If Iraq keeps going down like it is, if Afghanistan goes back to the Taliban (No Dubya, it's not a band, ok?), and if the economy just doesn't lift up like it should, then he's quite screwed. But then again, your democrats aren't very good either.
 

Wulf9

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Not a prediction, but a couple of possible futures.

1. The electorate will discover that borrowing money to give a tax cut to the most wealthy is not a "job creation program." And Bush will lose.

2. There will be a "deep throat" type revelation (actual facts like internal memos, etc.) that the Administration knew and lied to get the U.S. into a war. And Bush will lose.

3. Bush will win, and "deep throat" will come forth. Bush will be impeached.

4. Bush will win.

Note that this is Bush's election to lose. If he is going to lose, it is probable that he has already lost because 1 & 2 may already have taken place.
 

Greenescapist

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SkeLeton said:
I know you don't want to hear it from me, but I think that the US 2 party political system just blows...

Will Bush be re-elected? If Iraq keeps going down like it is, if Afghanistan goes back to the Taliban (No Dubya, it's not a band, ok?), and if the economy just doesn't lift up like it should, then he's quite screwed. But then again, your democrats aren't very good either.
I think it's great to hear foreign perspectives... especially since I think that most people around the world just don't understand why Bush is leading the US. If the Democrats winnow themselves down to 2 or 3 candidates, like they should, maybe they wouldn't be beating themselves up so much. My fingers are crossed.
 

pete-rock

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I voted that Bush will win by a slim margin in '04.

Howard Dean will go down as the William Jennings Bryan of the new millenium. Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt and maybe even Edwards and Clark are more in line with "mainstream" voters, but they won't get the chance to compete. As for the others -- who cares?

I believe there's a Democratic majority out there, but the Democrats can't put the message and the money (read: campaign financing) in the same place. There are a lot of middle-class, inner suburban voters who have flip-flopped between parties in recent years, and would be inclined to vote Democrat if the right candidate and message came along. But they don't contribute to campaigns in the same way as either 1) corporations or business interests, or 2) assorted special interests (teachers, unions, environmentalists, "doves", etc.).

Republicans can match message and money. Democrats get money from whereever they can, and bend the message to it.
 

Rumpy Tunanator

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Thats it, I'm predicting an unknown alien from the planet Nebula wins the election and takes over the world.
 

El Feo

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pete-rock said:
But they don't contribute to campaigns in the same way as either 1) corporations or business interests, or 2) assorted special interests (teachers, unions, environmentalists, "doves", etc.).

Republicans can match message and money. Democrats get money from whereever they can, and bend the message to it.
You may be right in many respects, but the fact is that Republicans are killing Democrats in money raised from small donors.
 

The Irish One

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El Feo you're absolutely right and the Dems can't blame anyone but theirselves. For years the Democrats have waffled on getting mailing list' out to party voters and potential party members. This is how you raise the money.
 

martini

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mendelman said:
[Editorial] I can't stand to hear him speak, he sounds like a puppet [/Editorial]
A-fokkin-men mendleman. I HATE listening...... to him speak. I know.....he's's not the dumbass......that everyone thinks he is. He's gotta be a moderately..... smart... guy,...... but the way...... he talks...... just seals the deal...... on his 'stupidity'......know what I mean......

My prediction: He'll win. But like someone else said, it IS his election to loose. I just can't see the Dem's mounting a devent battle. They don't have a message other than He lied, and the economy, and I haven't really seen a leader of the pack....yet. This remains to be seen. And the Dem's have serious trouble getting out the vote too. It seems that thier 'clientele' just like to bitch, yet take no action.
 

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I don't understand how the Dems keep losing. If you listen to the Repubs, the 22 million jobs created in the Clinton Admin were actually the result of the previous Repub administration, and the 2 million jobs lost in the Bush Admin, were Clinton's fault.

And, somehow, the Democrats can't come up with a campaign strategy? How about "we created 22 million jobs, they lost 2 million jobs. Who do you want?"

I think, in part, they don't want to claim any relationship to Bill Clinton. (Which is why Gore lost).
 
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iamme

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I would just like to come out of left field with my opinion on the two party system. The only problem with our two party system is that everyone doesn't realize we have one. Thank You for your time.
 

El Feo

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Wulf9 said:
I think, in part, they don't want to claim any relationship to Bill Clinton. (Which is why Gore lost).
Wulf9, thank you for continuing to make this point. It's an answer to every Republican's nightly prayers.

Remember, Bill Clinton's meddling = Terry McAuliffe = +2 Repub Senators and +6 Repub house members in 2002 = +3 Repub governorships (so far) in 2003.

Please, dear God, let Democrats "claim relationship with Bill Clinton." It's works so well.
 

mendelman

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Rumpy Tuna said:
Thats it, I'm predicting an unknown alien from the planet Nebula wins the election and takes over the world.
So when will the Kang/Knonos ticket be announced. I would definitely look into their campaign platform;-)
 

Cardinal

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mendelman said:
So when will the Kang/Knonos ticket be announced. I would definitely look into their campaign platform;-)
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others."
 

Tranplanner

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Cardinal said:
"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others."
"Fowards, not backwards, Upwards not Fowards, And always, twirling, twirling, TWIRLING!!!!!!"
 

El Feo

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Tranplanner said:
"Fowards, not backwards, Upwards not Fowards, And always, twirling, twirling, TWIRLING!!!!!!"
I'm not afraid of a Kang/Kronos ticket. I know for a fact that lots of us here on the boards own boards with nails in them.
 

Nero

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People need to vote how they feel ... for the person THEY believe is the best person. Not becouse one party or the other has raised the most $$$. Listen to the message and make up YOUR OWN MIND, don't let "the party message" think for you. Based on your own life and beliefs, make a decission and vote.

As for the Democratic hopfuls... they are going through a natural process of letting the people decide! Personnally I am happy there are so many canadates running..... that means more of a choice for me to look at the best person that I want to run for prez. At the end of President Clintons first term there were just as many Republican hopfuls running too. And yes they were critical of each other too just like we are seeing today with the Democrats...... thats the way it works.

I am not going to let a radio talk show host influance my vote. Everybody has their own "bottons" , for me its the Environment... but hey, thats just me... one American vote.
 

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El Feo said:
[BRemember, Bill Clinton's meddling = Terry McAuliffe = +2 Repub Senators and +6 Repub house members in 2002 = +3 Repub governorships (so far) in 2003.

Please, dear God, let Democrats "claim relationship with Bill Clinton." It's works so well. [/B]
Dang. As always, I'm caught by the imprecise use of words. The Democrats have not claimed the actual successes of the Clinton presidency as a campaign strategy because they have been afraid of being associated with the man himself. Remember that Clinton ran on the platform of fixing the economy and created 22 million jobs. He delivered on his main campaign promise. Run through the current administration's campaign promises. They haven't delivered.
 

El Feo

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Wulf9 said:
Dang. As always, I'm caught by the imprecise use of words. The Democrats have not claimed the actual successes of the Clinton presidency as a campaign strategy because they have been afraid of being associated with the man himself. Remember that Clinton ran on the platform of fixing the economy and created 22 million jobs. He delivered on his main campaign promise. Run through the current administration's campaign promises. They haven't delivered.
OK. I see what you mean now. I still disagree, but I see what you mean now.
 

pete-rock

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Wulf9 said:
Dang. As always, I'm caught by the imprecise use of words. The Democrats have not claimed the actual successes of the Clinton presidency as a campaign strategy because they have been afraid of being associated with the man himself. Remember that Clinton ran on the platform of fixing the economy and created 22 million jobs. He delivered on his main campaign promise. Run through the current administration's campaign promises. They haven't delivered.
So in other words, the Dems' present lack of direction is still the fallout from Clinton's personal disasters?

I knew this would bite us in the a$$, just not for so long.
 

Rumpy Tunanator

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El Feo said:
I'm not afraid of a Kang/Kronos ticket. I know for a fact that lots of us here on the boards own boards with nails in them.
But we'll keep building bigger boards with nails into them until....
 
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