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Cars and Snow

Jeff

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When I am "Supreme Ruler" of these lands, those little rinky dink cars will not be allowed on the roads when it is snowing. 4x4's only!

If you are going to drive 5 mph to work you should just stay home, right?

Also, ever notice how all the bad drivers on the road have AAA stickers on their cars? If you have one it doesn't mean you're a bad driver, but if you're a bad driver, you have one. Take a look next time you're on the road.
 
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Mike, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Yes, 4x4s are great if you know what you're doing in one, but i always hate the jackasses that think they can still drive 15mph above the speed limit on super icy roads, just because they have a 4x4. On the rare occasions of snow or ice in South Carolina, 9 out of 10 times, it would be a pick up or SUV in the ditch.
 

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KMateja said:
On the rare occasions of snow or ice in South Carolina, 9 out of 10 times, it would be a pick up or SUV in the ditch.
Yeah... it's the same thing here... lots of SUVs in ditches. Coming home from a party the other night, a guy in front of me spun out on a patch of ice (did a 720 and went off onto some landscaping) and he had a pathfinder. Boy was he ever peeved about it. I stopped to make sure he was okay, but he was too busy spouting expletives so I figured he was physically fine at least.
 

Jeff

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Sure the SUVs are the guys in the wrecks alot around here too. Point was though that I just can't stand people who drive 5 mph. Stay home you know.

I think even without snow, the SUVs are the ones who can't drive anyway. You're pretty safe around pick ups though. Most guys who drive pick ups are pretty good drivers.

That's just another "unscientific study" I've done.
 

el Guapo

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Ummmm...winter

Last winter I was driving very carefully (<10mph) when my Scout slid into the ditch because of wind ice and an extreme road grade. It was great. I locked the hubs, put it in reverse and backed right out. My philosophy was I wanted to be in a disposable vehicle on the really nasty days because most wrecks are at fairly low speeds. I also drove like I had 2WD and only relied on 4WD to get me out. There are conditions where 4WD will work against you.

One winter I used the same vehicle to rescue some high school students from a building that lost power in a blizzard. I made five trips in less than 10 meters visibility. This was the most fierce winter storm I had ever been in and the vehicle performed flawlessly. We had to wipe off the head and tail lights between each trip because the snow would completely cover them it was being driven so hard. I recently sold the Scout and I still have seller’s remorse. Click and Clack describe my current car as the car with the most irony built in to it. The Volvo 240 is the vehicle manufactured closest to the Artic Circle, yet it is one of the worst performers in snow among RWDs.
 

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I agree with KMateja. 4 wheel drive, all wheel drive, whatever you want to call it, helps you GO. It does not help you STOP. I have a 4WD SUV, and an AWD Subaru. In any event, I doubt I'll ever get another 2WD car again.
 

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Mike DeVuono said:
When I am "Supreme Ruler" of these lands, those little rinky dink cars will not be allowed on the roads when it is snowing. 4x4's only!

If you are going to drive 5 mph to work you should just stay home, right?

Also, ever notice how all the bad drivers on the road have AAA stickers on their cars? If you have one it doesn't mean you're a bad driver, but if you're a bad driver, you have one. Take a look next time you're on the road.

Do you understand that four-wheel drive doesn't help you stop??? So actually, you are the bad driver endangering others.

***This is not intended to have a harsh tone.***
 
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Mike DeVuono said:
Sure the SUVs are the guys in the wrecks alot around here too. Point was though that I just can't stand people who drive 5 mph. Stay home you know.
I can identify with this - when we went home for thanksgiving, there was a bit of flurries on the thru-way and rob slowed down and was doing about 45 mph and i thought my head was going to explode, i finally had to put the seat back and take a nap so i could see the spedometer to know how slow we were going. But in general, i would much rather have people drive slower than faster in inclement weather.
 

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Mike DeVuono said:
Sure the SUVs are the guys in the wrecks alot around here too. Point was though that I just can't stand people who drive 5 mph. Stay home you know.
Pussy.

Why don't you pass the sumbitch who's going 5 mph?

I drive a Ford Escort, and six years ago, when I lived in northern Michigan, I had a 48 mile commute, one-way to work, and the drives in the winter sucked big-time. On those nasty mornings, when I was the trail-blazer through all the morning snow drifts, I was able to maintain 35-40 mph.

Jerk-offs in their SUV's tailgated me constantly and they didn't have the balls to pass me.
 

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2 years ago some jackass in a giant ford SUV tailgated me on a snow covered road for about 3 miles. He finally passed me while giving me the finger. About 10 miles down the road I saw that he had gone off the road into a ditch. He was standing out there looking dumfounded talking on his cell phone.

I do think that SUVs give some people this sense that they can just fly down the road and they are indestructable.
 

Jeff

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Re: Re: Cars and Snow

prudence said:



Do you understand that four-wheel drive doesn't help you stop??? So actually, you are the bad driver endangering others.
We aren't talking about driving 50 mph on 2 lane roads here...
 

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KMateja said:


I can identify with this - when we went home for thanksgiving, there was a bit of flurries on the thru-way and rob slowed down and was doing about 45 mph and i thought my head was going to explode, i finally had to put the seat back and take a nap so i could see the spedometer to know how slow we were going. But in general, i would much rather have people drive slower than faster in inclement weather.
I can appreciate this Kelly....you sound EXACTLY like my wife when I'm driving in bad weather. Take 5mph of my normal speed and she thinks that I'm driving 5mph. :)
 

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KMateja said:
Mike, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Yes, 4x4s are great if you know what you're doing in one, but i always hate the jackasses that think they can still drive 15mph above the speed limit on super icy roads, just because they have a 4x4. On the rare occasions of snow or ice in South Carolina, 9 out of 10 times, it would be a pick up or SUV in the ditch.
Good point, K. This is exactly what I was going to say. The increased speed differential - caused by the proliferation of aggresive and menacing SUV and Quad Cab drivers - is what is making hazardous road driving more detrimental than ever.

Everyone should drive with caution when the roads are bad, and in the days before the glut of SUVs wreaked havoc on our highways, drivers were generally more cautious, even though the tire designs were not as good as they are today.

How tragic that all the innovations in tire and chassis design to make driving in winter safer, have to be instantly negated by an army of inconsiderate and arrogant SUV and Pick-up drivers who insist on passing everyone on the icy roads, and leaving a wake of destruction in their path. Not to mention all the heart attacks they cause.
 
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NHPlanner said:


I can appreciate this Kelly....you sound EXACTLY like my wife when I'm driving in bad weather. Take 5mph of my normal speed and she thinks that I'm driving 5mph. :)
I don't know why it is I can sit and patiently wait while a stupid yahoo citizen performs a filibuster against a proposed park that wastes 45 minutes of my life, but when i catch rob driving moderately below the speed limit on the thruway, i can just feel the impatience rising in my throat, like i'm going to have to stab my self in the head with the ice scraper to distract myself from the feelings of annoyance. and i don't, as a rule, ever really drive that fast myself.
 

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NHPlanner said:


I can appreciate this Kelly....you sound EXACTLY like my wife when I'm driving in bad weather. Take 5mph of my normal speed and she thinks that I'm driving 5mph. :)
Accroding to the Wisconsin Motorist's Handbook, provided by the DMV, "Slow down at the first sign of rain, snow, or sleet...On a wet road you should reduce your speed about 10 mph. On packed snow, you should cut your speed in half. On ice, you must slow to a crawl."

And government knows what is best for society.


NHPlanner, you made the right call.


This was sponsored by ALCOA.
 

donk

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wastes 45 minutes of my life, but when i catch rob driving moderately below the speed limit on the thruway
The reason is that you expect people that you have little respect for and probably dislike to waste your time, while loved ones should not. Also, the time wasted driving someplace consumes the time you need to recover from teh fillibuster.

I hate getting stuck behind little old people on teh highway with no place to pass.

Going to Moncton i always leave extra time because I know some old person is going to be going 60 in a 100 zone. Don't they know better and that they shoul dtake the secondary roads if they want to drive that slow.
 

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donk said:
Going to Moncton i always leave extra time because I know some old person is going to be going 60 in a 100 zone. Don't they know better and that they shoul dtake the secondary roads if they want to drive that slow.
Another wife story on related to the Canadian speed limit signs....while we were on our honeymoon in Nova Scotia and PEI (and on the way back to Maine through New Brunswick), she was so amazed and amused by the speed limit signs (ie that they said "MAXIMUM 100" or "120") that she actually made me pull over the car to take a picture of one. :)

Of course, I didn't make any points when I mentioned what it converted to in MPH.
 

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prudence said:
NHPlanner, you made the right call.


This was sponsored by ALCOA.
I miss those commercials during NFL games! :)
 
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jtfortin said:

I do think that SUVs give some people this sense that they can just fly down the road and they are indestructable.
Hee! I just got back from lunch and the roads have totally iced over in the last couple hours. In 3 miles, two accidents - one fender cruncher the second was one car so far off the road, its up the other side of the ditch! Both were SUV's.
 

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The real reason for accidents in NYC today?

It's the naked singing cowboy! No wonder accidents are up!

 

Chet

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I'm guessing PlannerGirl didnt make it in to work today...
 

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And for what its worth my little saturn did just fine a few hours ago, other cars were slip'n and all over the place (dumb SUV/BMW drivers)

i even managed to back it up my drive on an incline most the way so i dont worry about the plows crunching my car.

real pretty snow, i figure 7 maybe 8 in here at my house, light fluffy snow. colder than a witches you know what but im home cuddled with the hounds drinking Godiva hotcocoa and decorating the trees Scott got me last night

happy PG
 

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I'll take my little Ford Escort in the snow over my in-law's 4x4 Suburban, or any other SUV, anyday.

I had to drive up north (Sudbury - 250 miles/400km each way) and back this week, through snow-squalls, slush, and snow-packed highways, during daylight and night-time. It wasn't the worst I've been through, but it wasn't pretty. Thankfully, there wasn't a lot of traffic. I don't tend to drive much slower than usual, unless there are other cars around, or conditions get really bad. As for passing the slower drivers, well, that's when you tend to run into problems...talk about frustrating!

Good tires, and a manual transmisison are the key, IMHO. Nothing beats a manual for handling tricky situations - no need to slam on brakes, just gear down.
 

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Tranplanner said:
I'll take my little Ford Escort in the snow over my in-law's 4x4 Suburban, or any other SUV, anyday. ..

Good tires, and a manual transmisison are the key, IMHO. Nothing beats a manual for handling tricky situations - no need to slam on brakes, just gear down.
I have a Ford EScort and I wholeheartedly agree. Downshifting is a great way to avoid sliding in the snow, and also for going down mountain roads without hitting the breaks.

Driving down the 10-15% grade Needles Highway in South Dakota was fairly easy going in 2nd gear. Other drivers who insisted on riding their brakes probably burned out the pads in no time.

Ford Escorts are one of the best cars ever made. My '93 was the only new car I ever bought and I still have it after more than nine years, the longest tenure of all the cars I have owned.
 

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Ford Escort - I come to praise thy virtues.

Dittos on the ubiquitous 1993 green Ford Escort. There is no car that allows you to blend into the background better than the forest green Escort.

We had one at a former employer. I hot rodded and off roaded the piss out of the thing. I used it almost 50 % of the time on gravel section roads and about 10% in farm fields. 100's of hard miles a week. The damn thing just sucked it up. So when it was time to buy my wife a reliable car – we got a green ‘94. It is great in 5 inches of less of snow, mud, dirt - you name it.

Also nobody is ever going to steal it -ever.

Just a great piece of engineering for us consumers in the auto underclass.
 

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Super Amputee Cat said:


I have a Ford EScort and I wholeheartedly agree. Downshifting is a great way to avoid sliding in the snow, and also for going down mountain roads without hitting the breaks.

Driving down the 10-15% grade Needles Highway in South Dakota was fairly easy going in 2nd gear. Other drivers who insisted on riding their brakes probably burned out the pads in no time.

Ford Escorts are one of the best cars ever made. My '93 was the only new car I ever bought and I still have it after more than nine years, the longest tenure of all the cars I have owned.
I feel the same way about my 93 Nissan Pickup (original owner here)... I just have to shovel a bunch of snow into the back, drive it through the carwash to freeze it in place, and then I'm good to go for the winter. Most reliable vehicle I've ever owned...
 

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Winter Car...

I still have a 1991 Ford Escort LX that I drive only in the winter. I store my sports car, and when I wanted to buy the motorcycle I committed myself to a few more winters with the Escort...

The car got me through 3 colleges, 2 degrees, and countless other sh*t too lengthy to mention. The car runs like a top. I try to kill it, and it won't die. Nobody will hit it, nor will it be stolen. Had to break down and buy tires last winter. But it thrives in bad weather...The design is ugly as sin, though. I despise (yet praise) its existance.
 

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Super Amputee Cat said:


I have a Ford EScort and I wholeheartedly agree. Downshifting is a great way to avoid sliding in the snow, and also for going down mountain roads without hitting the breaks.

Driving down the 10-15% grade Needles Highway in South Dakota was fairly easy going in 2nd gear. Other drivers who insisted on riding their brakes probably burned out the pads in no time.

Ford Escorts are one of the best cars ever made. My '93 was the only new car I ever bought and I still have it after more than nine years, the longest tenure of all the cars I have owned.
Yup, I just gave my baby up (my college car was a '93 escort wagon) although she's still kicking. She will not die, and trust me, that car was put through hell. Treated her just like a 4x4 at the ranch, I could take on any puddle the big tucks were getting stuck in. I actually miss it a little, although after the a/c died a newer car seemed to make more sense.
 
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