Cities/metros without Starbucks

[Dan]

Can you think of any? Why wouldn't Starbucks have a presence in these places, when in some parts of the country they're literally across the street from each other?

Largest I could find in the US with no "independent" Starbucks - El Paso, Texas

Largest I could find in the US with no Starbucks, period - Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

Las Cruces, New Mexico - 0
Fargo, North Dakota - 0 (one in a Super Target)
Amarillo, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Lubbock, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Pine Bluff, Arkansas - 0
Yuma, Arizona - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Ocala, Florida - 0
Jackson, Mississippi - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Beaumont, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Williamsport, Pennsylvania - 0
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania - 0
Reading, Pennsylvania - 0
Altoona, Pennsylvania - 0
Danville, Virginia - 0
Wichita Falls, Texas - 0
Topeka, Kansas - 0
St. Joseph, Missouri - 0
Utica, New York - 0

 

[boiker]

None Here

Peoria-Pekin Metro Area - 355,000
NO Starbucks

 

[Chet]

They're putting Starbuck's in metros now? Not even porta johns are safe..... sheeesh.

 

[boiker]

Re: None Here

Peoria-Pekin Metro Area - 355,000
NO Starbucks

actually here's a map from starbucks website indicating the closest starbucks. over 70 miles away

The whole illinois region outside of chicago has been ignored by this chain.. i guess that's a good thing.

Springfield, IL - 105,000
Bloomington/Normal 100,000
Champaign/Urbana 100,000
Decatur, IL - 83,000
Rockford, IL 150,000

i guess illinois just don't like coffee

 

[Dan]

A few more ...

Little Rock, Arkansas - 0
Davenport, Iowa - 0 (one in a Super Target)
Roanoke, Virginia - 0
Chattanooga, Tennessee - 0

 

[Chet]

Re: Re: None Here

i guess illinois just don't like coffee

Actually, they just have better taste than the rest of the nation (thats why they love Wisconsin real estate too)

 

[Planderella]

Those cities should consider themselves lucky. Starbucks has the WORST coffee I've ever tasted. :blah

 

[NHPlanner]

There's only one in NH, in Portsmouth. Altough there are rumors floating around that they want to expand up here....BLECH!

 

[nerudite]

Re: Re: None Here

actually here's a map from starbucks website indicating the closest starbucks. over 70 miles away

Holy! I thought I was escaping Starbucks by moving out of the country, but noooooooo. There are 14 of them here in Edmonton. Our knock-off of Starbucks up here is "Second Cup", which has better coffee (but that's not too hard now, is it?).

Even when I lived in Seattle I avoided Charbucks like the plague. Strong = burnt.

If only there were more Peet's coffeehouses around. Oh well...

 

[Jeff]

Why the lack of Starbucks's in PA?? We have a strong support of our convenience stores in this area (WaWa and Turkey Hill). I wonder if Starbucks just didn't want to compete.

Also, those areas in PA are some of the most "Blue Collar" cities in PA....coal mining and steel towns for the most parts. Them guys don't drink any of that fancy coffee

 

[BKM]

Peets rules! Its still a chain, And Albert Peet was one of the founders of the Big Gren Machine, but I find their coffee the best. I'm supposed to be on a diet now, so no more full fat "Large" Mochas, but. . .

 

[Bucky alum]

Hey I like Starbucks. Not the coffee but the stock. I invest in what my friends and I don't believe in. We invest in companies that make crappy products that the masses loved. I paid for college by investing in Wal-mart and my 401K is in AOL (not too good now, hopefully better later) and Starbucks.

I've never had a cup of coffee, never will. But find me a huge company that everyone hates but everyone uses and I'll hopefully make some money on it. BTW, viewpoints on Best Buy??? Trying to decide if I should invest in them.

 

[boiker]

Hey I like Starbucks. Not the coffee but the stock. I invest in what my friends and I don't believe in. We invest in companies that make crappy products that the masses loved. I paid for college by investing in Wal-mart and my 401K is in AOL (not too good now, hopefully better later) and Starbucks.

I've never had a cup of coffee, never will. But find me a huge company that everyone hates but everyone uses and I'll hopefully make some money on it. BTW, viewpoints on Best Buy??? Trying to decide if I should invest in them.

hmm. best buy.. i love it and use it...

 

[JNL]

This time last year we had no Starbucks in my city. Now, there are at least 4!! I saw a new one on Saturday that popped up out of nowhere.

Planderella, I agree - it's the worst coffee I've ever tasted! Fortunately there are lots of other good places to get coffee. We have some kind of record in Wellington for the number of cafes per person.

 

[BKM]

Best Buy

Best Buy beats Sears for appliances. It compares favorably to Good Guys for electronics.

Lousy service, but I still like 'em

Given the saturation in electronics retailers, will it be a good investment? They seem to be beating Good Guys in the Bay Area, the stores are very busy (with many frustrated customers).

 

[boiker]

Re: Best Buy

we don't have good guys in the midwest.

the only 'discount' electronics retailers are Circuit City and Best Buy.. I always prefer Best Buy, because normally, I don't need service at an electronics store. And I hate Circuit City.

 

[plannerkat]

Jacksonville, FL was able to avoid Charbucks (why oh why do people think they have good coffee?!) for most of the 1990s. For a few years the only one was at the airport. Alas, no longer. I am sorry to report that there are now 4 of these godforesaken places within 5 miles of my house. 3 of these opened within the past 18 months.

 

[boiker]

if starbucks is bad coffee, what is good coffee

I've had peet's, got a free bag off their website when they first went online back in 2000 or 1999. can't remember. Good stuff though.

But my question is, is starbucks that bad? is their marketing that good?

 

[BKM]

I personally don't find Starbucks that bad. Their drinks have too much sugar and other stuff, but some people do like the harsher, darker roasts.

As for marketing: its that, and the sheer ubiquity of the chain. Can anyone really claim that any of the processed junk that McDonalds and Burger King extrude tastes good? (Even their fries are mediocre, imo) Yuck, but they are multibillion dollar businesses. Starbucks, like McDonalds, is "comfortable" for a middle class clientel.

I just prefer locally owned cafes where possible. And, I think Peets is much better, overall. Does that make me a better human being? Nah (although there is the nasty, undeserved element of hippie moral superiority which sneaks in).

Starbuck's consolidated market power does mean significant negative impacts on coffee-growers in Central America. If you believe in the religion of untramelled markets, that's fine. I'm a proud agnostic in regards to America's true religion.

 

[boiker]

I personally don't find Starbucks that bad. Their drinks have too much sugar and other stuff, but some people do like the harsher, darker roasts.

As for marketing: its that, and the sheer ubiquity of the chain. Can anyone really claim that any of the processed junk that McDonalds and Burger King extrude tastes good? (Even their fries are mediocre, imo) Yuck, but they are multibillion dollar businesses. Starbucks, like McDonalds, is "comfortable" for a middle class clientel.

I just prefer locally owned cafes where possible. And, I think Peets is much better, overall. Does that make me a better human being? Nah (although there is the nasty, undeserved element of hippie moral superiority which sneaks in).

Starbuck's consolidated market power does mean significant negative impacts on coffee-growers in Central America. If you believe in the religion of untramelled markets, that's fine. I'm a proud agnostic in regards to America's true religion.

Ok, this thread is now officially hijacked

I have never found roasts, other than starbucks house roast to be that bad either. It's probably one of the only places around that will make a strong brew. (in my region anyway).

I don't notice much starbucks advertising on tv or other.. at least for their coffee shops. Only for their crapachinos and double shots.

So i really don't get how people are so attracted to starbucks..

 

[El Feo]

As for marketing: its that, and the sheer ubiquity of the chain. Can anyone really claim that any of the processed junk that McDonalds and Burger King extrude tastes good? (Even their fries are mediocre, imo) Yuck, but they are multibillion dollar businesses. Starbucks, like McDonalds, is "comfortable" for a middle class clientel.

Somebody's been reading Fast Food Nation again lately, haven't they!

Actually, I've never claimed to be an arbiter of good taste - in fact, some wags claim I'm a philistine - but yeah, sometimes the processed junk at McDonald's and Burger King taste good to me - damn good. That's not to say that you don't have a point re: "comfort." But that ain't necessarily a bad thang (not that you meant it as such - or did you?).

As for coffee, I just don't care for Starbucks at all. I'd cross the street to avoid it, but there's one over there too. I like to make my coffee at home (plain ole, boring, Chock Full o' Nuts), black, no sugar, and strong enough to float an ox.

 

[BKM]

Never actually read the book, but as a Kunstler quoting semi-leftish over-educated BOBO, I probably HAVE inhaled many of its arguments.

I am a food snob But, I just like non-overprocessed stuff better. I really don't like McD's very much-I can stomach the hamburgers, but the "Shakes" (processed, sugary soy) and, remember the McRib? My god, is that all the culture the US will be known for? Blahhh.

Even when I was growing up, mom never foisted all the processed junk on us.

 

[nerudite]

Long, and a little ranty... beware!

I think I don't like Starbucks because everything tastes so burnt. And... their coffee is *so overpriced*. I can't taste the difference much with the fru-fru drinks they serve (mochas, etc), but I don't like those much in general. I'm a regular black coffee kind of gal, and generally I like medium to dark roasts. At Starbucks that means highly acidy and burnt. Peet's coffee is every bit as strong as Starbucks, but without the burnt ashy aftertaste.

I don't have too much of a problem with smaller chains (such as Peet's), it's just that some of them get out of control. And it's sad when chains end up being substitutes for the real thing. As an example, Vienna has four Starbucks. I'm sorry, but Vienna IMO does not need a Starbucks. It has perfected cafe culture, so what does it need a Starbucks for? Well... maybe to have coffee (or Starbucks' facsimile thereof) in a "to go" cup. But that negates the whole Vienna cafe experience.

I think that's the reason that people don't "like" Starbucks. Take something great like a coffeehouse culture, water it down (or in Starbuck's case over-roast it), and then mass produce it for the world. The idea of all that homogeneity is what peeves me.

Hmmmm... I think I was starting to wander there. I better go grab some coffee (at the local coffehouse I may add)...

 

[Planderella]

I will always support one of the local coffee houses before I spend my hard earned cash at Starsucks. Some of the best coffee is made right here in this city. **in Homer Simpson voice** Mmmmm........chicory coffee.......

 

[El Feo]

Never actually read the book, but as a Kunstler quoting semi-leftish over-educated BOBO, I probably HAVE inhaled many of its arguments.

I am a food snob But, I just like non-overprocessed stuff better. I really don't like McD's very much-I can stomach the hamburgers, but the "Shakes" (processed, sugary soy) and, remember the McRib? My god, is that all the culture the US will be known for? Blahhh.

Even when I was growing up, mom never foisted all the processed junk on us.

I did read it, and as a Friedman-quoting semi-rightish over-educated former BOBO (I was the ONLY conservative art major), I tried its arguments, but I NEVER inhaled.

Don't get me wrong BK(that ain't BURGER KING)M, I don't usually go for the McD's or BK taste, but sometimes it just...well, hits the spot for some reason.

I grew up in KY, and while my mom never foisted any of the processed junk on us either (due in part to the fact that we couldn't afford it - processed was MORE expensive back then, not less), everything we were served was soaked in bacon grease, salt, and redeye gravy. Maybe that's what deadened my tasebuds...

 

[BKM]

Childhood Recipe Hijack!

El Feo: I bet your mother's version of spaghetti was something like mine's:

Pasta cooked until soft (and broken into short lengths to avoid the "wrapping" issue!)

Tomato juice (from a can)

Hamburger pan-fried with a little onion

Cheddar or "Longhorn Colby" cheese from County Line Cheese Company (RIP-bought out by another damn conglomerate and ruined) A great American style cheese maker-to this day I still can literally not stomach "cheese product" like Kraft Singles or Velveeta.

Sugar to taste.

All melted together into a gooey mess!

 

[GeekyBoy]

re: Success of Starbucks

Not sure how true this view is - but to me, Starbucks is more of a lifestyle chain (read that, Martha) than a typical cafe. The rationale behind such is that one targets the neophyte, expereince conscious middle class with an cafe identity taken from a generic coffee house in an urban core, soften and idealize the feel with standardized decor, and 'brand' it an urbane, sophiscated city cafe (ironically, with a drive through).

So yes, there is a bit of snob in it all - the faux artist in the patron, perhaps?

GB

 

[El Feo]

Mmmmmmm...spaghetti.....

You shouldn't oughta done that, BKM...

Hamburger pan-fried with a little bit of onion was the foundation of many different meals...all full of gooey goodness...

 

[Dan]

One thing that the non-Starbucks cities in the United States have in common ... they're not seen as "bohemian" or "trendy" in the least. There's little or no "buzz" in those areas.

Consider New Mexico, where Santa Fe has five, but Las Cruces has zero. Santa Fe = arts, culture, black turtleneck shirts, and so on. Buzz. Las Cruces = college students, engineers, middle-class families, retirees and Hispanics. No buzz.

Let's take Urban Outfitters, for instance. Think they'll locate in a city without a "buzz," despite a ready market or population? Nope. UO is in Providence, Austin, Minneapolis and Portland ... not in Buffalo, Rochester, Cleveland or Oklahoma City. Rochester just ain't cool enough.

Maybe this is a stretch, but I think the lack of Starbucks in places like Little Rock and Youngstown can be attributed to sheer snobbery. Starbucks goes to the places where there's a "buzz," and thus a ready market. As they expand, they'll reach out into the cities that aren't as trendy ... Yeah, Buffalo has plenty of coffee drinkers, but they're not as hip as those in Denver, so money spent there will return less bang for the buck. Starcucks still has to grow, through, because it's what stockholders expect. Eventually, they might trickle down to the places that seem to elicit collective yawns among the public ... the Youngstowns and Harrisburgs.

 

[BKM]

Confession

I think GeekyBoy and Dan have captured the Starbucks effect very well.

Sadly, by Geeky Boy's theorem, I am probably one of Starbucks' target customers. Heck, I buy furniture at Scandinavian Designs, read Dwell, etc. etc. Woe is me.

My only defense is I recognize it. And, my blue collar roots don't allow me to take any of it too seriously. And, I still prefer the independents.

 

[Mastiff]

Pine Bluff, Arkansas - 0

Yoiks... Hardly a metro. More of a slum of Little Rock.

The joke goes, "There are no pines... that's the bluff."

 

[GeekyBoy]

Vaca:

"Sadly, by Geeky Boy's theorem, I am probably one of Starbucks' target customers. Heck, I buy furniture at Scandinavian Designs, read Dwell, etc. etc. Woe is me.

My only defense is I recognize it. And, my blue collar roots don't allow me to take any of it too seriously. And, I still prefer the independents"

LOL! There is nothing wrong with liking Starbucks per se - if the motive behind is a genuine preference for their coffee (not my thing - but everyone has different tastes) instead of, from personal observation, the attitude of some patrons that by somehow sucking up Starbucks latte, they have graduated into the ranks of sophiscated, urbane drinker.

I bet you that the whole "Grande, Venti, etc" thing has something to do with that snobbery. Just think about how jargonish when one rattles off "Grande Mocha, no whip for here" at 166 wpm.

PS: Confession #2

I had done the above when I was a bit younger than I am now...how childish.

GB

 

[BKM]

Starbucks Lingo

Yeah. When I do go to Starbucks (rarely, but the local one is closed on Sundays) I always feel a little embarrassed using their silly terminology. I would rather just say "large", but they force use into the jargon when they take your order.

 

[Bucky alum]

Why I like Starbucks and other metros

I think the reason Starbucks, McD, BK, Best Buy, insert name brand here, is our nomadic culture. I have moved 4 times in the last 4 years, each time to a different city. I enjoy the local cuisine (in NJ pizza) and I don't go to a Pizza Hut or Papa Johns. But I do go to Home Depot, instead of the local hardware store even though I now know where one is. When I moved here, I needed to get some supplies so i looked up Home Depot instead of trying to find another local dealer. It was just too easy. Same with Best buy, across the street from each other there is a PC Richard, Best Buy, and a Wiz. i go to the Best Buy, all the prices are about the same but i choose the national chain I have dealt with before, and if I move again I may get better service. I go to Chipotle because I haven't found a good burrito in my area. It's safe and conformting and I know exactly what I am getting. BTW, the strangest thing out here is the Dunkin Donuts. They are everywhere as bad as Starbucks.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3709/starbucks_phase_two.html

Do i like the mom and pop shops, yes but it must have a reason like its cheaper, closer or better.

 

[Nemesis]

I believe Baltimore has only one. It is located in the Inner harbor. I would rather have a nice sweet Dunkin Doughnuts large with a french Cruller. Yum. We are lacking in quality coffee retailers.

 

[Habanero]

Ahhh.. coffee

Well, I love Starbucks. I'll say it, I drink it every morning.. I've even got most of their large mugs, travel mugs, and a Barista coffee maker.. I love their coffee, it's a darker roast than any other out there I've tried. (that's why it tastes burnt to some, they've got a patent on their roasting and they roast their beans longer than others)

So does Temple, TX now have a "buzz"? I don't think so, it's just that Starbucks saw an oppourtunity and went for it off of I35, it's a top seller for them now. I don't think they are snobs.. it's just that they're looking to make a profit and see where the market is.. I wish I'd have come up with the idea!

 

[Super Amputee Cat]

Can you think of any? Why wouldn't Starbucks have a presence in these places, when in some parts of the country they're literally across the street from each other?

Largest I could find in the US with no "independent" Starbucks - El Paso, Texas

Largest I could find in the US with no Starbucks, period - Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

Las Cruces, New Mexico - 0
Fargo, North Dakota - 0 (one in a Super Target)
Amarillo, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Lubbock, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Pine Bluff, Arkansas - 0
Yuma, Arizona - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Ocala, Florida - 0
Jackson, Mississippi - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Beaumont, Texas - 0 (one in a supermarket)
Williamsport, Pennsylvania - 0
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania - 0
Reading, Pennsylvania - 0
Altoona, Pennsylvania - 0
Danville, Virginia - 0
Wichita Falls, Texas - 0
Topeka, Kansas - 0
St. Joseph, Missouri - 0
Utica, New York - 0

Actually, Toledo, Ohio may be the largest city w/o a Starsux. The city's population is 320,000, and we don't have much in the way of cultural heritage, but at least we don't have a Starsux.

 

[BKM]

Toledo

Hey Cat: I'm originally from Fort Wayne, Indiana. I doubt we have a Starbucks

We used to drive to Toledo all the time to visit the zoo when I was a kid (a LONG time ago).

I always liked the parks, Toledo Art Museum, the river, the University area, etc. Has downtown come back any? Last time I was there, Portside was pretty much dead.

Sadly, I may have to be back in Fort Wayne within the week. My Mom's second husband isn't doing very well.

 

[Super Amputee Cat]

Re: Toledo

Hey Cat: I'm originally from Fort Wayne, Indiana. I doubt we have a Starbucks

We used to drive to Toledo all the time to visit the zoo when I was a kid (a LONG time ago).

I always liked the parks, Toledo Art Museum, the river, the University area, etc. Has downtown come back any? Last time I was there, Portside was pretty much dead.

Sadly, I may have to be back in Fort Wayne within the week. My Mom's second husband isn't doing very well.

In terms of historic fabric, downtown is worse than ever. They demolished about 12 historic buildings for a new ballpark that the voters didn't want but they went ahead and built anyway. Now I have to support it because if it goes under, we will all pay dearly (the taxpayers). Luckily 5/3 Bank paid about $1 Million for the naming rights. The name sucks but at least that will be one million that we won't have to cough up.

Portside went belly-up long ago. It's now COSI. Portside was one of the dumbest development projects ever conceived in a city of this size.

Yeah, it sucks to be here but at least we don't have a Starbucks....yet.

 

[BKM]

Toledo

Too bad about the stadium and the destroyed downtown fabric. Probably plenty of parking lots, too.

I am a totally hostile atheists in the religion of professional sports, so I ain't too sypathetic to stadium boosters.

Vacaville' AAA baseball team owner just lost all of his insurance, so the local farm club is now defunct (literally in the middle of the game).

COSI sounds better than a fake nautical theme mall selling teddie bears.

Downtown Fort Wayne remains somewhat moribund, as well. Maybe a little healthier-the new park at the three rivers is nice.

I have to keep telling myself

"It is good for local banks and companies to disappear into the mass of national chains" After all, the CEOs get bigger bonuses, don't they?"

Oh well, I can thank Fort Wayne for steering me to the planning field-Coliseum Blvd is so ugly I wanted to find some profession that deals with those kinds of issues.

 

[SouthSideSlayer]

I believe Baltimore has only one. It is located in the Inner harbor. I would rather have a nice sweet Dunkin Doughnuts large with a french Cruller. Yum. We are lacking in quality coffee retailers.

Actually, there's more. From top to bottom:




Columbia Mall
Harborplace, Baltimore
Mount Washington Mill, Baltimore
York Road, Baltimore
White Marsh Mall, Baltimore
Woodholme, Baltimore

Every starbucks is listed (at least in the US) Check out the site:

www.starbuckseverywhere.net

 

[smarty]

toledo/starbucks/peets

Whoa......this thread unravelled quicker than a raver on Flintstones chewables.

Ok, so I too recall the days of Portside. I remember drinking Michelob Dark during the laser shows in stolen Pepsi cups because you could hide the bottles but have the beer out in the open. I remember so desperately Toledo trying to save it's riverfront, I was back there (grew up in MI, but was born at St Joe's in Toledo, parents born/raised in Toledo, still love to visit Packo's for a dog and chili sundae) and it was just such a depressing site.

As far as Tarbucks is concerned, living just south of the Canadian border in the PacNorWest, we have 8 $tarbucks in a town with 70,000 people. Peets has no presence up here, but they're owned the The Green Green Goblin now anyway, but agreed the coffee is better. Tully's follow Starbucks like a vulture does a hyena, so what for them. My best advice, support the locals, buy certified beans, pony up for a good machine and burr grinder and make your own. I do, and love it. Nothing like pouring a freshly ground shot of spro with perfect crema before you hop in the shower, or into your car (or bike for work).

It's all in the grind.

 

[Downtown]

Dunkin Donuts v. Starbucks

DD wins everytime. As for Starbucks, I only ever drank it when my best friend's husband worked there part time and I could stop by when I was out on inspection and get free Caramel Macciatos, or Chai Lattes. Josh (the bf's husband) would regale us with stories of how people would come in and order: "a grande half caf skinny double shot chino with whip" sigh. But I love the Starbucks accessories (which for my birthday and christmas that year I received lots!).

 

[Greenescapist]

Starbucks

You know, when I was in college, I used to rail against Starbucks and all chain restaurants and shops of its kind, but now once I went there a few times, I realized they have damn good coffee. For anyone who likes strong, bitter coffee, you can't beat Starbucks. And, yes, I don't like how things are getting homogenized around the country, but there are a few good things about Starbucks.

Has anyone noticed how there are almost zero places where strangers can actually interact in your typical suburbs? I was at a Starbucks (one that I usually don't go to) last night drinking tea and reading a book and I looked around and there were all these people drinking lattes and playing chess and other board games. And it creates a good, relaxing environment for people to read and study - which we can't deny has immeasureable beneftis. It seems to me that there are precious few places around today where things like this happen.

So, I don't want to say we should open Starbucks everywhere, but I don't think they are all bad. Whenever I'm in an area that has a good, local coffeehouse, I try to go there, but when I'm stuck out in the Boston suburbs and want a good place to read and drink tea after lunch, Starbucks can't be beat.

 

[El Feo]

Re: Starbucks

So, I don't want to say we should open Starbucks everywhere, but I don't think they are all bad. Whenever I'm in an area that has a good, local coffeehouse, I try to go there, but when I'm stuck out in the Boston suburbs and want a good place to read and drink tea after lunch, Starbucks can't be beat.

Greenescapist, I disagree - it's fairly easy to find local coffeehouses, etc., in the Boston suburbs. Of course, my knowledge of local gathering/eating/coffee places outside Boston is limited to my own experience, but I travel outside the city a fair amount with my job. Let me know next time you're heading out and I'll try to hook you up!

 

[Planderella]

Re: Starbucks

You know, when I was in college, I used to rail against Starbucks and all chain restaurants and shops of its kind, but now once I went there a few times, I realized they have damn good coffee. For anyone who likes strong, bitter coffee, you can't beat Starbucks.

Try Community Coffee - Chicory Blend - if you want strong coffee. As long as there is superior coffee made right here in Louisiana, I'll never go out of my way to drink Starsucks. If I had no other choice, then that would be the time when I quit coffee cold turkey.

 

[ken48170]

Toledo has one now

Toledo has entered modern times by getting an independent Starbucks to move into the Seagate Center. Its very hard to find, and you have to actually enter the SC, but still, good coffee

 

[Dan]

An old thread, I know, but I was thinking abut it when I was down in Elmira yesterday. There's not a single Starbucks in Chemung County, population 88,840 . None in nearby Corning, either.

 

[Masswich]

But Corning has a great glass museum, comparable to the one in Venice, so it all works out, no?

 

[JNA]

The closest Starbucks to Cairo, IL are either in Cape Girardeau, MO or Paducah, KY or Marion, IL