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Coronavirus and other pandemics

AG74683

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Rumors I'm hearing for NC is that Gov will not go to Phase 3, but stay in Phase 2 & that masks might become mandatory. We'll see this Thursday or Friday.
Same thing I am hearing. I think it's entirely reasonable, although the mandatory mask thing will be a mess. There's a definite line between the mask wearers (generally common sense people) vs those not wearing them (THE ENTIRE VIRUS IS A HOAX! FOX NEWS TOLD ME SO! TRUMP 2020).
 

DVD

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I have mixed feelings on how everyone reacts to this mess. The virus, the protests are a complete different item and I hope to think it won't just be a blip. I hope the pressure will continue until actual change happens.

For the virus:
1. I hate statistics. They all lie because everyone will only read the numbers they want. Yep, it makes sense that you get more positive results if you test more. Like Planit said, you have to use percentages or some other comparison to be useful information.
2. My life isn't changing much. I still go to the store, I just wear a mask. I still work, I just do most of it at home. I still do the important things lie hang out with the family. What I'm not doing is going to large gatherings. No concerts, rallys, sporting events, church, whatever. I never did those thing much anyway. I can see how it would affect some people, especially the church thing, but it's not about church being open or closed, it's about finding a safe way to practice. I'll stay out of the theology rant today.
3. Stop making disease political. Ooohh! That damn democart is wearing a mask. Ooohh! The damn republican isn't wearing a mask. Shut up and realize that science says wearing a mask helps and that if I forget to wear a mask once it doesn't change my political affiliation.
 

Doohickie

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I could not possibly disagree more with this statement and am a little confused how someone could say such a thing. I believe that this time, with the virus/protests/recession/election all at once, will be looked back on as among the most consequential and pivotal moments of the 21st century, or perhaps even of the last 50-60 years.
Oh, it's a historical moment for sure. But the question I answered was
Curious if this virus, lockdown, and associated strangeness has caused anyone to re-evaluate their life?
My life, so far, has not substantially changed. I am who I am. I firmly believe that this will pass and I will still be the same person. I don't stay up at night and "re-evaluate my life". I'm just getting through this. Shit happens and you move on.
 

Doohickie

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I don't see how, at this moment of such import, the pandemic can be pulled apart from the economic calamity and the nascent movement against racialized police brutality, but okay. To me, it's all interconnected.
Again, I think all of this stuff connected will change the world, but I was answering the question of whether I was re-evaluating my life. My life hasn't changed that much.

I have great hope, though, that the world around me is changing, and after the pain is done many will agree it was a change for the better.
 

DVD

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You can snicker. Pinal County is the county between Phoenix and Tucson. There is a lot of dumbassery in that area. It's our redneck haven. To to be confused with Apache Junction our Biker/Meth haven.

I'm sure every state has an equivalent county stuck between two big cities and proudly going against the grain to be "rural". And what exactly is rural when it's all Fing desert. An acre of land with junk all over is not rural. I have spoken.
 

michaelskis

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All of this continues to be so frustrating. I stopped to get gas and I was watching as people flowed in an out of the small store and realized that not one of them had a mask on. As I stood there with my nondescript face covering, I questioned why was it that I was the only one who was taking appropriate precaution. A couple neighboring communities have now required them to be worn almost every you step out of your house or or vehicle. The numbers are going the wrong direction within our state and the number of hospitalizations are increasing substantially.
 

Big Owl

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All of this continues to be so frustrating. I stopped to get gas and I was watching as people flowed in an out of the small store and realized that not one of them had a mask on. As I stood there with my nondescript face covering, I questioned why was it that I was the only one who was taking appropriate precaution. A couple neighboring communities have now required them to be worn almost every you step out of your house or or vehicle. The numbers are going the wrong direction within our state and the number of hospitalizations are increasing substantially.
The Governor's press confrence tommorrow will be interesting. The hospitalizations have almost doubled over the course of the month. I doubt will be going into phase 3.
 

HomerJ

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Well I just got my own test results back. Negative. Unfortunately for my wife that means she needs to continue to isolate herself in the house for at least another week.
 

Bubba

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Well I just got my own test results back. Negative. Unfortunately for my wife that means she needs to continue to isolate herself in the house for at least another week.
Good for you, and here's to a speedy recovery for the missus.
 

Doohickie

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So somehow a discussion on Facebook about mask wearing turned into a gun rights argument. After some dude was claiming that there is a constitutional carry right that is universal, I asked him if it was universal, why was he mad at the Texas Legislature for not passing a constitutional carry law? That pretty much demonstrated the proof that people don't have an inherent right to carry a gun wherever, whenever.

He came back at me with "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!11!!!!!!!1!!"

My response?

Yeah. Okay if you say so. Courts say regulation is okay.

But hey, it's late. Have a good night. Don't catch any Corona-boogies, and....
 

WSU MUP Student

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Yesterday I went to "work" for the first time since the middle of March. Our office is using some grant funds to put together reopening toolkits for small businesses in the county (a couple gallons of sanitizer, masks, gloves, a fancy no-touch thermometer, vinyl floor and wall decals to promote social distancing, etc.) and I volunteered to take a day and go to the donated warehouse space and help put them together.

It was nice to be out of the house and see a few coworkers (there were only 5 or 6 of us in there all day) and it gave me an excuse to ignore my regular work email for the day. If they still need more people later this week, I think I am going to return for another shift on Thursday (as long as I confirm that none of the managers or supervisors have volunteered for a shift that day).
 

AG74683

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On Friday and Saturday we went to these large Asian markets in Charlotte. Friday was sort of a random trip we didn't exactly plan, so we returned Saturday with a cooler. Neither of us wore masks on Friday, and we definitely got some dirty looks and I felt genuinely uncomfortable. On Saturday we wore masks and I felt better about the whole thing.

I've noticed several things about the masks. Those not wearing the masks are predominately white and African American. Hispanics and Asian folks are fully suited up. The places where the masks are being worn vs where they are not is pretty interesting too. Almost zero masks at Lowes Hardware, and you get dirty looks for actually wearing one. I had a dermatology appointment yesterday morning and basically no one wore the mask. The only mask I saw was on the PA who was removing whatever mole he wanted to check, and even that was just for the procedure.
 

Hink

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On Friday and Saturday we went to these large Asian markets in Charlotte. Friday was sort of a random trip we didn't exactly plan, so we returned Saturday with a cooler. Neither of us wore masks on Friday, and we definitely got some dirty looks and I felt genuinely uncomfortable. On Saturday we wore masks and I felt better about the whole thing.

I've noticed several things about the masks. Those not wearing the masks are predominately white and African American. Hispanics and Asian folks are fully suited up. The places where the masks are being worn vs where they are not is pretty interesting too. Almost zero masks at Lowes Hardware, and you get dirty looks for actually wearing one. I had a dermatology appointment yesterday morning and basically no one wore the mask. The only mask I saw was on the PA who was removing whatever mole he wanted to check, and even that was just for the procedure.
Masks are everywhere here, but there are a lot people who just can't be bothered. My grocery store trip has workers masked up, but people in the store acting like fools. I was one of the few in Lowes on Saturday who wore a mask.

I am going to wear the mask so I can't be part of the problem. Is it a solution? Beats me. But I know for a fact that me not wearing the mask isn't a solution. It is me being lazy or unwilling to be somewhat uncomfortable. Unless you medically can't I think you should wear it in public. It isn't a big deal and it potentially could help. Not wearing it can't.
 

AG74683

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On the topic of masks, our BoC just put some new state of emergency in to place that requires masks be worn in our offices at all times basically. No customer is allowed inside without one now.

I've been saying from the beginning that opening our offices to the general public a month ago was NOT a good idea, and here we are. EDIT* I have discovered a loophole in this new emergency mandate. I simply removed all the masks from the lobby that we have for customers. So if they don't have their own mask, they can't come in. They wont, because none of them ever do, so BOOM, closed to the public again.
 
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Super Amputee Cat

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I was standing in line at the market and the person in front of me - a female version of the Low I.Q guy at right - was not only not wearing a mask but she was vaping too.. She was trying to sneak a vape in, holding the device up to her mouth puffing out putrid, toxic smoke and getting her dirty wet hands all over the food she was buying. Since the cashier was handling the same produce as the was ringing up each item on the counter (This place still uses manual calculators), she was also being exposed.

I was about to just hold my items up and just show her the price because I didn't want the cashier to touch anything after touching that foul woman's food, but luckily another cashier came up to the register and rang me up. But I hung around to tell the first cashier that she had just handled contaminated food and that she should sanitize her hands. But she just stood there and started ringing up the prices of the next person in line. Unbelievable.
 

DVD

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We used to be more of the no mask at Home Depot kind of place, but the county put out a wear your mask rule. Now most people wear masks. There's always one who "forgot". The rally today, pretty much no one wore masks in a 3000 seat church. Thanks Mr. Pres.
 

WSU MUP Student

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My oldest and I went out to my parents house on Saturday. On the way home we took the scenic route home through the little rural town near their farm and then up the trunk line highway 30 miles through farm country, into the exurbs, then into the suburbs and finally into the dense inner ring 'burbs before getting on the expressway for the final stretch west to our home.

It was about 3:00 when we went through the little downtown out near my parents farm. The stores and restaurants looked pretty busy and NOBODY in line at the ice cream stand or going in and out of stores was wearing a mask.

As we kept driving and got into progressively more dense neighborhoods we would see more and more people waiting for busses or going in/out of stores wearing masks.

I've heard from friends who live in the next county east of me (where we were driving through on Saturday) that they see almost nobody wearing masks when they go out to the grocery store or to get takeout or whatever. I made a trip to two grocery stores here near us a couple of weeks ago and everybody was wearing a mask in both stores. One of the stores had somebody working at the door sanitizing carts and they had a big box of masks so I suspect they were also making people who were coming in without them put one on.

Monday after work I decided I finally needed to go to the liquor store to pick up some beer I couldn't get delivered. There were a couple guys working and two customers in the store; everybody was masked. I looked in the window at the bike shop next door and the few people I could see in there were all wearing masks as well.
 

JNA

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We have to wear a mask in all public areas of city hall.
To get in you have have your temp taken - forehead scan.
 

AG74683

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Apparently we have moved into the top 10 COVID counties in NC. The top dogs attribute it to our testing methods. We have rotating temporary testing facilities that move from town to town each day. We have a lot more testing going on than other counties.
 

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Our County just instituted a mask policy that the public has to be masked in public buildings unless eating or drinking or under two years old when distancing cannot be maintained. Businesses are encouraged to enforce it. There will be a fine. On social media, people are calling the officials Nazis, saying it is unconstitutional; they're going to an adjacent, "free" county to shop, etc. "Lawyers" are telling them that they only have to claim that a medical condition prevents the wearing of a mask without having to say what the condition is. (Selfish stupidity, I assume). I wear a mask, but I see a lot who do not. Of course our rate of infection has been climbing alarmingly, especially among younger people. I have to admit I want to wish they learn the hard way, except that they will harm others in the process. So I just mutter at them under my mask.
 

kms

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Our County just instituted a mask policy that the public has to be masked in public buildings unless eating or drinking or under two years old when distancing cannot be maintained. Businesses are encouraged to enforce it. There will be a fine. On social media, people are calling the officials Nazis, saying it is unconstitutional; they're going to an adjacent, "free" county to shop, etc. "Lawyers" are telling them that they only have to claim that a medical condition prevents the wearing of a mask without having to say what the condition is. (Selfish stupidity, I assume). I wear a mask, but I see a lot who do not. Of course our rate of infection has been climbing alarmingly, especially among younger people. I have to admit I want to wish they learn the hard way, except that they will harm others in the process. So I just mutter at them under my mask.
I have a problem with encouraging businesses to enforce mask orders. Not because people have to wear masks, but because employees aren't trained in enforcing laws. A local supermarket chain is being sued by 30+ people because they have confronted shoppers who have conditions for not wearing masks and have escorted (thrown out) them out of the stores. I saw a video where four large employees lined up and "bulldozed" a shopper out of the store. Honestly, I wondered if they hired bouncers.

I think it's unfair to ask service industry workers to enforce mask requirements. Many seem to be on power trips. I am a law enforcer, and have training on how to deal with having to tell people to do things they don't want to do. Chances are pretty high that a grocery store produce clerk hasn't been trained. Everyone feels defensive now, and no one seems to know how to de-escalate a situation.

My opinion would change if I thought that businesses were training employees on how best to handle upholding mask requirements.
 

Hink

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I have a problem with encouraging businesses to enforce mask orders. Not because people have to wear masks, but because employees aren't trained in enforcing laws. A local supermarket chain is being sued by 30+ people because they have confronted shoppers who have conditions for not wearing masks and have escorted (thrown out) them out of the stores. I saw a video where four large employees lined up and "bulldozed" a shopper out of the store. Honestly, I wondered if they hired bouncers.

I think it's unfair to ask service industry workers to enforce mask requirements. Many seem to be on power trips. I am a law enforcer, and have training on how to deal with having to tell people to do things they don't want to do. Chances are pretty high that a grocery store produce clerk hasn't been trained. Everyone feels defensive now, and no one seems to know how to de-escalate a situation.

My opinion would change if I thought that businesses were training employees on how best to handle upholding mask requirements.
I like mask orders. I like that places like Menards have a clear system for checking everyone. I agree that it shouldn't be put on the businesses to have to enforce anything, but I do think that people's ignorance to data, or their blatant unwillingness to do something, shouldn't just be let go. I don't think people should be fined or whatever, but the reminder, or the refusal of service is important so people do what they should be doing.

Jay walking is illegal. Not often do you see someone getting a ticket for it. You have someone remind them why that is dangerous and shouldn't be done. I see mask laws as that.
 

DVD

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Just do the mask order like Costco, no mask, no entry.

Pinal County south of me has a sheriff that won't be enforcing the mask rule. He's a far right republican. Hello, stupid, it's a health issue not a political issue.
 

Bubba

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Looking at some data mapping this morning, my home zip code and the surrounding ones have an infection rate averaging <3 per 1,000 residents. And, that's skewed a little by a couple of mini-hotspots in apartment complexes on the edge of my 'hood. Those small hotspots are a bit puzzling - most of the residents of the apartments that I see out walking in the afternoon are good about wearing masks and/or social distancing.
 

DVD

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My hood has a hospital in the zipcode so we've got a few positive hits, but we're not the worst.

Also, Bubba's numbers definitely show a left leaning neighborhood.
 

Bubba

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Also, Bubba's numbers definitely show a left leaning neighborhood.
It'll be interesting to see the upcoming November voting numbers for my hood. There's a city and county line that runs through the middle of it, so the voting is split between two precincts. The western one was fairly blue in 2016, and the eastern one was red. In general, though, we seem to do a collectively good job with masks and distancing.
 

DVD

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It'll be interesting to see the upcoming November voting numbers for my hood. There's a city and county line that runs through the middle of it, so the voting is split between two precincts. The western one was fairly blue in 2016, and the eastern one was red. In general, though, we seem to do a collectively good job with masks and distancing.
I just wanted to politicize pointless stuff, but go ahead and have an actually insightful and useful thought. ;)
 

Bubba

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I just wanted to politicize pointless stuff, but go ahead and have an actually insightful and useful thought. ;)
:roflmao:

That's the entirety of my political insight. I generally put the candidates' names in front of one of our cats and let them pick who to vote for...
 

DVD

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:roflmao:

That's the entirety of my political insight. I generally put the candidates' names in front of one of our cats and let them pick who to vote for...
That's good voting practice as long as you don't try to bribe them with cat treats or scratching on the cheek. We wouldn't want any voter fraud in the house.
 

michaelskis

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We have to wear a mask in all public areas of city hall.
To get in you have have your temp taken - forehead scan.
We have been doing the Temp Scan thing for a while. It sounds like starting Monday morning, any interaction with someone outside of our offices will require masks. Internally, I am going to request that all meetings with those outside of Town Staff for our department be done electronically. We have teleconferencing abilities in our conference room were staff can social distance, so figure lets use this as the preferred option.
 

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I notice we no longer hear trump or his administration comparing the novel coronavirus with the seasonal flu in terms of morbidity anymore.
 

Planit

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...and over a dozen secret service agents that worked the Tulsa event are now quarantined for 2 weeks.
 

gtpeach

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The young lady we had watching Peach Fuzz while CCG did his college work pre-COVID works at a grocery store. CCG is taking the summer off, so we haven't needed childcare, but we will need help again once his semester starts back up. We've only had 18 confirmed cases in our county (of just under 15,000). It's pretty rural, so maybe that helps. I'm still kind of nervous about it since working in a public place like that increases her exposure, but as long as the local cases don't increase drastically, I'm inclined to ask her if she's available in the fall to help again. We love her and it's been SO HARD to even find a baby-sitter where we live.

We're still being really cautious, but I'm comfortable seeing people at small, private, outdoor functions at this point (backyard cookouts and stuff like that). I just can't decide if that's an unnecessary risk or not. It's got to be better than a day care, though, right?
 

michaelskis

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Ok... so this is what I don't get. We now have a state mandate to wear masks when in public and social distancing is not possible. Several sheriffs have announced that they will not be citing anyone for not wearing a mask.

My question is what about a seat belt. At least wearing a mask has benefits to other people, wearing a seat belt only protects the person wearing it.
 
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