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Veloise

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This is fairly horrifying. Took place in the same county as an internationally-renowned medical center.

The small newspaper put it up on FB where it attracted much discussion ... they took it down. (Might have been due to a certain veteran of barn dance parties pointing out what a poor idea this was, along with supporters claiming that it had taken place "outdoors" when the photos clearly show otherwise.)

It's also been shared on quite a few other places, with community members stating that the donors and sponsors are horrified to discover that health care practices were ignored.


"Pandemic Prom"
 
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michaelskis

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Looks like we're shutting down city hall to the public again. We should have never opened it up in the first place.
I would not be surprised if we end up doing the same. As it is, most of the staff works remotely in an effort to limit personal contact with other staff. It is a serious pain in the backside though as I need to cover the front counter too much instead of getting my work done.
 

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We are partially open - I still do my meetings with applicants on zoom to do the share thing to go over plans and the regulatory boards meet on Zoom. Internally, we zoom staff meetings.

Clerky stuff like motor vehicles and tax payments were moved to the city owned auditorium as they have a ticket booth that is already set up for minimal public interaction - so the amount of public wanderings is minimal. There are secure mailboxes outside the door to drop off tax payments, ballots, etc.

Not everyone wears masks but I do when I leave my office space to go to the hallway.

The place I am troubled about is wearing the mask to go to the bathroom - hmmm, right?
 

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Looks like we're shutting down city hall to the public again. We should have never opened it up in the first place.
We're still open, but it's 9-4 office hours and masks are required. We won't go back to closed offices anymore. my boss believes that this is "just a way of life now" and we need to adapt.
 

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We're still open, but it's 9-4 office hours and masks are required. We won't go back to closed offices anymore. my boss believes that this is "just a way of life now" and we need to adapt.
Our municipal leadership has a similar viewpoint. We've been open to the public for several weeks now, signs at the doors "require" masks for visitors but it's not enforced by anyone. We are required to wear masks in public spaces, but in individual departments they're mostly off for those who work in that same department. I think it's been mentioned before, but the politicization has been rife. Some elected officials that come in daily spurn the mask rule and are very open about their opinions that it's a "hoax." It's not an ideal scenario.
 

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My Administrative Assistant got tested Tuesday. Waiting to hear what the deal is. The docs think she might have had it in February, when she collapsed a lung. For the meantime, she's not permitted in the office and is WFH. It's a little nerve-wracking, if I'm honest.
 

Veloise

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This is fairly horrifying. Took place in the same county as an internationally-renowned medical center.

The small newspaper put it up on FB where it attracted much discussion ... they took it down. (Might have been due to a certain veteran of barn dance parties pointing out what a poor idea this was, along with supporters claiming that it had taken place "outdoors" when the photos clearly show otherwise.)

It's also been shared on quite a few other places, with community members stating that the donors and sponsors are horrified to discover that health care practices were ignored.


"Pandemic Prom"

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See, I think cartoons like that are part of the problem as well. I get it, it's a serious issue but like I said before, COVID 19 is not the Black Death either. But something that insinuates that's it's an "either/or" proposition isn't really helpful in my opinion. But hey, anything to create even more divisiveness I guess.
 
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See, I think cartoons like that are part of the problem as well. I get it, it's a serious issue but like I said before, COVID 19 is not the Black Death either. But something that insinuates that's it's an "either/or" proposition isn't really helpful in my opinion. But hey, anything to create even more divisiveness I guess.
Agree. If you want to say something, read up on it and post the facts. When I see things like that, I scroll past them.
 

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My Administrative Assistant got tested Tuesday. Waiting to hear what the deal is. The docs think she might have had it in February, when she collapsed a lung. For the meantime, she's not permitted in the office and is WFH. It's a little nerve-wracking, if I'm honest.
She tested negative, so that's some good news for my weekend.
 

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In another small band-aid move, our governor just announced that bars and restaurants will not be allowed to sell alcohol after 11 PM.
 

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Kentucky becomes mandatory masking in public beginning at 5:00PM today. We border Kentucky and I can envision people coming over here to shop/dine/whatever maskless, spreading their filthy COVID-19 all over us innocent Hoosiers, because we are not required to mask up in public. I think we should make masking in public mandatory by ordinance, but there's little political will, IMO.

[sarcasm]
 

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My city voted unanimously to not pass a mask ordinance last Wednesday. Their issues were more with enforcement than anything and they did direct that we create a strong marketing campaign encouraging people to wear masks. All the other nearby municipalities have adopted mask ordinances. We've actually gotten a lot of praise for how we've done it and most seem to be using them. I kind of wished we would have adopted to give businesses more "protection" if they wanted to require masks.
 

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See, I think cartoons like that are part of the problem as well. I get it, it's a serious issue but like I said before, COVID 19 is not the Black Death either. But something that insinuates that's it's an "either/or" proposition isn't really helpful in my opinion. But hey, anything to create even more divisiveness I guess.
I disagree. The problem is that while the choice is not black and white, the ability to stop the virus needs to be made on a population wide basis. I don't care about your freedumbs, until we get a very high rate of mask use, the United States will continue to be a pariah in the world. Wearing a mask really isn't a choice, it's a requirement.
 

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We’re not wearing masks. We’re not social distancing. We are not, incredibly, taking this killer crisis seriously enough as a society.

This is as simple as I can put it and as such, this present rate of increases will continue.
 

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We’re not wearing masks. We’re not social distancing. We are not, incredibly, taking this killer crisis seriously enough as a society.

This is as simple as I can put it and as such, this present rate of increases will continue.
The main challenge at this point is that the mask issue in this country has become political. Until one side admits they were wrong and does a 180 the result will be increased body counts. Sadly, admitting one is wrong - or worse that a group is wrong - is not something our species is particularly good at. It usually involves seeing horrible consequences before it happens. I am not optimistic.
 

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I think the thing that kills me is that I hear about a lot of wealthy and I assume half intelligent people screaming about not wearing masks. I talked to someone in town who's family owns a few restaurants. He says the there's a difference between the restaurant north of a certain road and the one south. The one south is in the city, fairly well off area, and most of the customers love that the staff is all wearing masks and gloves and doing the right thing. The place north of the road is more city edge, close to a wealthy artsy town. This is a very well to do area and more people there complain about staff wearing masks to the point they berate the staff and demand the mask be removed.

I understand stupid people not wearing masks. They're dumb, but I assume you have half a brain to make the kind of money to live in that area. I guess not.
 

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I think the thing that kills me is that I hear about a lot of wealthy and I assume half intelligent people screaming about not wearing masks. I talked to someone in town who's family owns a few restaurants. He says the there's a difference between the restaurant north of a certain road and the one south. The one south is in the city, fairly well off area, and most of the customers love that the staff is all wearing masks and gloves and doing the right thing. The place north of the road is more city edge, close to a wealthy artsy town. This is a very well to do area and more people there complain about staff wearing masks to the point they berate the staff and demand the mask be removed.

I understand stupid people not wearing masks. They're dumb, but I assume you have half a brain to make the kind of money to live in that area. I guess not.
Anecdotally, it seems like the reverse here.

Friends in the really wealthy areas like the Grosse Pointes or closer to me in Birmingham/Bloomfield Hills complain about going into their take out joint or boutique of choice and they saw a person not wearing a mask or how dare this grocery store not have a masked and gloved attendant sanitizing every single cart by the entrance! If I were to go on to NextDoor right now, there would be a steady stream of new threads about which stores or businesses are horrible and awful because they don't have a sign requiring masks... even if everybody inside was in fact masked!

Folks in the more working class or still pretty damn wealthy but more sprawly areas seem to be the ones complaining about being seeing signs on doors requiring masks or all the sheep working at restaurant x wearing masks, etc.
 

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In another small band-aid move, our governor just announced that bars and restaurants will not be allowed to sell alcohol after 11 PM.
Its midnight here, 9 PM for package sales. I think it might of been later until the last day or so (for bars). In bed by then anyways.
 
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More unfortunate news:
Secondhand and thirdhand smoke & vape from tobacco & weed can likely be linked to Covid-19 Transmission.
(According to most sources I researched.)

Snippets:
"[E}ven in the homes of asymptomatic but infected smokers and vapers, coronaviruses can attach to secondhand smoke and secondhand aerosol particles and droplets."

"[V]iral secondhand exhalations can travel up to 27 feet, land on surfaces, survive for hours, and may increase transmission of COVID-19 to older and younger non-smokers in the home..."


"That is because, after secondhand smoke and aerosol dissipates, thirdhand smoke and aerosol settles in dust and on surfaces. Thirdhand smoke clings to dust, clothes, furniture, drapes, walls, bedding, carpets, and other surfaces long after smoking has stopped, and builds up over time."

“Older adults are at risk of direct exposure from the secondhand route of inhalation and from thirdhand routes of inhalation, dermal transfer, and ingestion from dust and objects (e.g., wheelchairs) which harbor infected fomites.”

“Infants and toddlers are at risk for [thirdhand smoke and thirdhand aerosol] exposure as they are in close bodily contact with their caregivers and are actively exploring their environments."

Other sources:

"We asked the experts: Dr. Frank Esper, a Pediatric Infectious Disease Specialist, The Cleveland Clinic; Katie Cary, vice president of infection prevention for HCA Continental Division; and Dr. Nipunie Rajapakse, a Pediatric Infectious Diseases Physician at the Mayo Clinic. Their take: Contracting COVID-19 from secondhand smoke or vaping is medium risk."

"Doctors are also warning that if a neighbor smokes, make sure to close windows to block the smoke from coming into your home."
 

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We've been work from home since mid-March. We only just started coming back to work post 4th of July. My division is only working 2 days per week in office so that no more than 3 employees are in at a time. We don't provide any direct services to the public so that helps.
 

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It's looks like our trip back home to Florida is going to be cancelled. While that county is not as bad as a couple others, it is still seeing increases. We would be in the southern part of the county which is much more residential than commercial/resort, but we'd still need food & groceries.

Neither one of my brothers are coming in, nor is a friend of The Girl allowed to go. This is a big bummer.
 

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Work has still open to the public for awhile and almost everyone is here. However, we now have at least one employee that tested positive for COVID over the weekend, and another one went home earlier today 'not feeling well.' We don't know who tested positive (I think most of city hall is trying to guess based on who hasn't been in this week), but the update certainly feels strange.
 

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I'm back in the office today again. I was here a couple of weeks ago too. Our boss would like to see everybody come in 2x a month. I think I am going to start coming in every other Wednesday. It's still really really quiet here and there are maybe only about 5 or 6 people from the entire department here today.

Two weeks ago when I was in for the first time I my laptop wouldn't log onto the local network and I joked that it had been at my house for so long that it had forgotten how! Well, it turns out that isn't too far from the truth: apparently the network jacks in our office automatically turn themselves off if there has been no activity on them for more than 30 days. For those who left their computers here and are using GoToMyPC, that doesn't present a problem but for people like me who took their computers home and hadn't come in for a long time, that means we need to call IT and have them come reset the jack.
 

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Help me understand this:

Closing schools in March with 1000+ cases.
Open schools in August with 1,000,000+ cases.
There's no rationale. Even in NJ where we were hit hard right out of the gate and have relatively good control now we're still deciding what to do in the fall because of the lack of control in many parts of the country. Right now most districts are looking at split schedules whether it's AM/PM, alternating days, or alternating weeks and the time the kids are home they will be doing distance learning.
 

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Our agency bit the bullet and extended WFH through the end of the calendar year.

WFH = flexible teleworking schedule

You can go to the office if needed, but it has to be organized on the calendar through the director so we don't have too many people in at the same time. I know a couple of people in the dept who will arrange to go in once a week, or twice a month, just to get out of the house.
 

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There's no rationale. Even in NJ where we were hit hard right out of the gate and have relatively good control now we're still deciding what to do in the fall because of the lack of control in many parts of the country. Right now most districts are looking at split schedules whether it's AM/PM, alternating days, or alternating weeks and the time the kids are home they will be doing distance learning.

As its looks right now, our district will split the kids into 2 groups.
Week 1:
Group 1: In school Mon, Tues. Online Wed, Thurs, Fri
Group 2: Online Mon, Tues. In school Wed, Thur, Fri

Week 2:
Group 1: Online Mon, Tues. In school Wed, Thur, Fri
Group 2: In school Mon, Tues. Online Wed, Thurs, Fri

That way they get to spend 5 consecutive days in school & 5 consecutive days online. This has not been finalized, but they're leaning this way.
 

Veloise

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Face masks are now required here, and this happened yesterday.

Mask confrontation leads to stabbing, suspect fatally shot by Eaton County deputy


A Grand Ledge man who stabbed an elderly man inside a Quality Dairy store after being refused service for not wearing a mask was shot and killed by an Eaton County deputy several miles away, Michigan State Police said.

After the Grand Ledge man, Sean Ernest Ruis, 43, walked into the QD at Lansing Road and North Canal Road at about 6:45 a.m. Tuesday, a 77-year-old male customer confronted him about not wearing a mask ... The 77-year-old customer was wearing a mask, Ruis was not ...

The men got into an argument, Ruis stabbed the other man, then fled the area ... The 77-year-old, who is from Lansing, is in stable condition. His name has not been released.

An Eaton County deputy located Ruis' vehicle at about 7:13 a.m. in a neighborhood several miles away ... When the deputy made a traffic stop, Ruis got out of his vehicle and approached the deputy with a knife...
[actually, two knives in his right hand, and a screwdriver in his left]

Video released by police shows Ruis getting out of his vehicle and walking toward the deputy after she pulled him over. As he walks toward her, the deputy can be heard repeatedly yelling "drop it" and "drop the weapon." Ruis parrots the deputy's orders.

As Ruis passes the front of the deputy's vehicle, he appears to lunge toward the deputy, the video shows. She fires several shots at Ruis, who continues approaching her until he's close enough to touch her.

After the first round of shots, she quickly backs up. When Ruis continues toward her, she fires more rounds until Ruis collapses. Once he is down on the ground, she speaks into her radio: "Shots fired."

The non-mask guy worked for M-DOT
 

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My youngest niece just graduated high school and her parents (my brother and sister-in-law) let her go to the beach in Georgia with friends for a week. My sister-in-law has been pretty outspoken about how she finds all the closures and mask requirements an infringement on her liberties. My brother called my dad on Father's Day and told him he'd like to visit. My dad said maybe in two or three years.

On the other hand, our family is being cautious whenever we're outside our home and really limit what we do. We stay home as much as possible. My parents came up on Memorial Day to visit with us on our porch.

I feel bad for my brother. But while he and his family can choose how cautious they want to be, they also have to understand that it may mean there are consequences. I'm a little sad to think about how we may not be able to have big family celebrations over the holidays, but I also don't want to be around my brother and his family knowing they're not really taking the necessary precautions.
 

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My youngest niece just graduated high school and her parents (my brother and sister-in-law) let her go to the beach in Georgia with friends for a week. My sister-in-law has been pretty outspoken about how she finds all the closures and mask requirements an infringement on her liberties. My brother called my dad on Father's Day and told him he'd like to visit. My dad said maybe in two or three years.

On the other hand, our family is being cautious whenever we're outside our home and really limit what we do. We stay home as much as possible. My parents came up on Memorial Day to visit with us on our porch.

I feel bad for my brother. But while he and his family can choose how cautious they want to be, they also have to understand that it may mean there are consequences. I'm a little sad to think about how we may not be able to have big family celebrations over the holidays, but I also don't want to be around my brother and his family knowing they're not really taking the necessary precautions.
Having an excuse to skip out on all sorts of extended family gatherings is one of the things I'm actually looking forward to this holiday season (although I know my wife will be depressed about that and I understand that).

We've visited with both sets of our parents. My wife's parents have been very cautious and don't go to restaurants and get almost everything delivered. When we are there we stay outside or only go into the beachhouse, which my in-laws have avoided, and stay out of the main house.

My parents have been a little less cautious but still have kept primarily to themselves. They live in the middle of nowhere so there are fewer delivery options for them. My siblings and I try to bring them some groceries when we visit, though they do still go to the grocery store and pharmacy every few weeks. And the last time I was there, it was like 95º outside so we did end up going inside for a bit but there's plenty of space to keep our distance. Without thinking though I gave my parents both a big hug and kiss when I left. Ssshh! don't tell my wife! I'll be back over there later this week to help my dad bail hay but I'll be outside while he'll be in the AC-ed tractor cab.

A funny aside: The UCC church my parents go to has started doing live stream Sunday services and my dad has discovered those and began watching them on Facebook on Sunday mornings. A few weeks into the shutdown he saw on Facebook that they were also streaming a service on Wednesday mornings. He was surprised because this small country church only has one service a week but he decided to tune in anyway and he enjoyed it but didn't totally recognize the priest, thought the background looked a bit different, and the sermon was considerably more liberal than he's used to (though their congregation is pretty liberal, especially for such a rural congregation). He kept watching for a couple more weeks though and then finally realized he was watching the Episcopal service from our church in our city, which also happens to have the same name as the UCC church by their house. I think he was thrown off because he's been to our church a few times for baptisms and a few random services so it wasn't 100% unfamiliar and the typical Episcopal service isn't much different from a UCC service. Now he says he still tries to tune into our service every few weeks. (He's no stranger to checking out different services - when I was little and we were on vacation in a new place, he'd always drag us to whatever the oldest Episcopal church in the area was to sightsee and take in a service if the timing was right. He must have made donations to a bunch of them over the years too because there's always a new stack of random church newsletters and bulletins next to their pile of mail in the kitchen)
 

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Local parents organized a prom this past weekend for their kids, unsanctioned by the local schools. Indoors, 180 kids. Some wore masks at the beginning, but reports are that none were by the end. You can imagine what kind of social distancing was involved. Sure enough, one of the kids has tested positive for COVID-19.

I get the bitter disappointment in missing prom, but there is a global pandemic everywhere out there, if you haven't checked lately. I blame the parents entirely.
 

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Since I was last in the office a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that Facilities installed a massive clear glass window with a slot in it in front of our office admin's desk. She's the only person who has a office or cubicle that opens up to the rest of the office. It looks pretty thick and is installed very securely. It looks like something you'd see in front of the cashier at a gas station or party store in certain neighborhoods.

Of course, the back of her cube is still wide open to the rest of the office though.
 

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Since I was last in the office a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that Facilities installed a massive clear glass window with a slot in it in front of our office admin's desk. She's the only person who has a office or cubicle that opens up to the rest of the office. It looks pretty thick and is installed very securely. It looks like something you'd see in front of the cashier at a gas station or party store in certain neighborhoods.
those seem to going in everywhere - it's a good time to be in the plexi glass business
 

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Local parents organized a prom this past weekend for their kids, unsanctioned by the local schools. Indoors, 180 kids. Some wore masks at the beginning, but reports are that none were by the end. You can imagine what kind of social distancing was involved. Sure enough, one of the kids has tested positive for COVID-19.

I get the bitter disappointment in missing prom, but there is a global pandemic everywhere out there, if you haven't checked lately. I blame the parents entirely.
A business at a popular lake is organizing a prom for 2020 seniors. My sister-in-law has shared it. Surprisingly, there aren't any angry faces on the post. I'm sure they've deleted comments from people telling them it's irresponsible, but I don't know if you can remove people's responses?

I totally understand wanting to do something special for seniors this year. But you need to think outside the box. There's a reason the "normal" senior activities aren't happening.
 

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The Mrs. finally got results for a second test she took last week...still positive :r:.

So, after self-isolating our family for an entire month, we don't have much choice but to continue isolating for the indefinite future. She no longer has any symptoms, but is seeing anecdotal stories about people continuing to test positive weeks and even months after coming down with it. Her work has everyone remote until the end of July (I am also remote with no return date identified), but I can't see how they will actually make her go in with a positive result. She might have to take a third test, but here in Texas that's easier said than done and I am not sure if there are any issues with the insurance paying for it..

But to stay on the positive, everyone is healthy and symptom free, and I'm getting to spend a lot of time with my son (albeit I'm working late just about every night to stay caught up). I am 99% convinced my wife doesn't actually have it anymore and is no longer contagious, and that both I and my son already caught it and quickly recovered. I don't have any proof that that's the case though, so here we are wastin away in quarantine-a-ville.
 

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Since I was last in the office a couple of weeks ago, I noticed that Facilities installed a massive clear glass window with a slot in it in front of our office admin's desk. She's the only person who has a office or cubicle that opens up to the rest of the office. It looks pretty thick and is installed very securely. It looks like something you'd see in front of the cashier at a gas station or party store in certain neighborhoods.

Of course, the back of her cube is still wide open to the rest of the office though.
We now have an awning up over the back door. I guess that's to keep people waiting out of the rain? It's only about 3' or 4' wide though. Basically everyone will end up crammed underneath if there's any sort of rain.
 

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We got a statewide mask order today that goes into effect tomorrow. Facebook is blowing up with people screaming about communism, freedom and oppressive state regimes. The conspiracies are unreal. Six feet helps facial recognition, masks are a way to identify citizens ready to turn their free will over to the state, mark of the beast, and 5-G microchips. If I see the term "sheeple" again....

Even better is now all of the attorneys have come out ready to sue the governor or anyone else requiring a mask. Cause in Alabama "We Dare Defend Our Rights".
 

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We have some people in Arizona suing over the mask thing. One of the gyms was already shut down in court.

The way I associate it for people comes from some attorney I talked randomly. This is my house, and in my house you don't wear shoes. If you want to wear shoes then you're not coming in my house. Same thing with the companies. It's their house. If they want you to wear a mask and you don't want to. Then they don't have to let you into their house.
 

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We have some people in Arizona suing over the mask thing. One of the gyms was already shut down in court.

The way I associate it for people comes from some attorney I talked randomly. This is my house, and in my house you don't wear shoes. If you want to wear shoes then you're not coming in my house. Same thing with the companies. It's their house. If they want you to wear a mask and you don't want to. Then they don't have to let you into their house.
Or an even more direct comparison that seems to be perfectly acceptable in terms of public health policy: ' no shirt no shoes no service'
 

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I will get the shingles vaccine when I hit the appropriate age. My Grandpa had shingles, and I don't want to go through what he did.
When I cleaned out my parents' house, I found a bottle of pills from the time my mom had shingles. Morphine. Yeah, I don't want to catch any kind of illness where I'd have to take morphine just to get through the day.

That was me. Not immune, but just never got it.
I caught chicken pox late, when I was 19. I thought I had a bad case of acne, and I went to the campus clinic to find out what was going on. Yup, chicken pox. I was quarantined in my dorm room for a week. It wasn't terrible; it felt like a mild case of the flu, only topped by scabby zits. Evidence to this day: a scar on my eyebrow that's really hard to see.
 

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My concern with the chicken pox is mine moved into my eyes causing nerve damage. I can't image have shingles in my eyes. So, yeah, in a couple of years, I'm getting the shot.
 

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How much goes one of the space suits cost? A second question is. How much goes one of the bubble boy suits cost? I'm asking for a friend.
 
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