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Maister

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My concern with the chicken pox is mine moved into my eyes causing nerve damage. I can't image have shingles in my eyes. So, yeah, in a couple of years, I'm getting the shot.
My wife's grandmother had to have her left eye removed after she got shingles in it and experienced postherpetic neuralgia. Yes, don't delay, get the shot as soon as you can even if you end up paying the $400 out of pocket expense.
 

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Shingrix is actually two shots. I usually take most shots with no side effects, aside from the tetanus vaccine which stiffens my biceps and hurts like heck. The first Shingrix injection left my arm in substantive pain for about 24 hours (so bad, I couldn't sleep on that arm, and I'm a side sleeper, so it kept waking me up). The second dose didn't seem to bother me very much. One of my co-workers took it and had flu-like symptoms for a couple of days.

Even with these side effects, I'd take the shots again to avoid shingles, without thinking twice.
 

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Shingrix is actually two shots. I usually take most shots with no side effects, aside from the tetanus vaccine which stiffens my biceps and hurts like heck. The first Shingrix injection left my arm in substantive pain for about 24 hours (so bad, I couldn't sleep on that arm, and I'm a side sleeper, so it kept waking me up). The second dose didn't seem to bother me very much. One of my co-workers took it and had flu-like symptoms for a couple of days.

Even with these side effects, I'd take the shots again to avoid shingles, without thinking twice.
I just got my first of two shingles shots a few weeks ago. Yes, it hurts; not your basic flu shot.
 

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There's no rationale. Even in NJ where we were hit hard right out of the gate and have relatively good control now we're still deciding what to do in the fall because of the lack of control in many parts of the country. Right now most districts are looking at split schedules whether it's AM/PM, alternating days, or alternating weeks and the time the kids are home they will be doing distance learning.
I have a close friend who is a hs science teacher in northern NJ and she's terrified about going back to work at the school, and for her 5 y.o. to have to go back as well.
 

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I have a close friend who is a hs science teacher in northern NJ and she's terrified about going back to work at the school, and for her 5 y.o. to have to go back as well.
I have a close wife who is a hs history teacher in north central TX and she's terrified about going back to work at the school, and for her 33 y.o. to have to go back (to college) as well.
 

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The reopening schools discussion is interesting. Our state's top doc said this:
But Dr. Mandy Cohen, secretary of the state Department of Health and Human Services, said Tuesday that the available scientific evidence indicates that children are less likely to be infected with COVID-19 and are less likely to spread it to others.

“Schools are a lower transmission setting and have not seemed to play a major role in spread of COVID-19,” Cohen said. “We weighed these factors against the conclusive evidence that school is critical to a child’s education, health, emotional and social well-being, and that missing school is actually harmful to children.”

Guidance given by the American Academy of Pediatrics that “strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school.”
More so, she is a parent and her kids go to the schools int he same county as my kids, and she says that she will be sending her kids to school this fall if they are open.

However, this does not change the realization that the current administration is an abomination, but I think there is a bigger picture to be seen.
 

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We have reached the point in the pandemic where I have asked CCG, and he has agreed, to cut my hair this weekend. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, how good of an idea is this?
 

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We have reached the point in the pandemic where I have asked CCG, and he has agreed, to cut my hair this weekend. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, how good of an idea is this?
I'd give it a solid 8. I cut my daughter's hair a few weeks ago. She still lives with me, and has asked me to give it a little trim, probably this weekend. (BTW: She went from a sort of "Karen" cut, to a pixie, so it wasn't just a trim here and there. It was significant and plenty of opportunities to mess it up.) CCG will do fine. BTW: Should he now be CCH, since he is Hubby?? :cool:)
 
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I cut my wife's hair for her. Hers was really easy and just trimming an inch or so off of the bottom and her hair is basically one length all the way around.

My wife has offered to cut my hair but I've refused. I really just want the back cleaned up but I don't know that I really trust her to not mess it up. I'm just going to hold out until I feel comfortable enough to go to the barber shop again.
 

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You know, I'm letting my sideburns grow along with the rest of my hair, and I've always sported a 1970's pornstache since back in the days when it was considered perfectly acceptable. Really all I lack now is a polyester jacket and platform heels
 

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Is your place of work doing any sort of health screening? If so, what all are you doing? If you have a list of questions when people come in, what are they and what happens if they answer them in a way that might indicate that they are a health risk?
 

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Is your place of work doing any sort of health screening? If so, what all are you doing? If you have a list of questions when people come in, what are they and what happens if they answer them in a way that might indicate that they are a health risk?
They were taking temps, asking a number of health questions, and if you ticked any boxes you got sent home to work remotely. Now, however, we are "self-screening"
 

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The reopening schools discussion is interesting. Our state's top doc said this:


More so, she is a parent and her kids go to the schools int he same county as my kids, and she says that she will be sending her kids to school this fall if they are open.

However, this does not change the realization that the current administration is an abomination, but I think there is a bigger picture to be seen.
But how can one make the claim that schools are not high risk transmission settings when schools were closed early in the outbreak?
 

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We have reached the point in the pandemic where I have asked CCG, and he has agreed, to cut my hair this weekend. On a scale of 1-10, 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, how good of an idea is this?
Depends. How complicated (curly, involves layers, or other things like that) is your hair?
 

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But how can one make the claim that schools are not high risk transmission settings when schools were closed early in the outbreak?
The answer has been determined in Korea: Middle, high schoolers can spread coronavirus as well as adults
Children between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the coronavirus at least as effectively as adults do... Children younger than 10 years old were around half as likely as adults to spread the virus.
So even though kids younger than 10 are less likely to spread it, they can still spread it.
 

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Is your place of work doing any sort of health screening? If so, what all are you doing? If you have a list of questions when people come in, what are they and what happens if they answer them in a way that might indicate that they are a health risk?
Our office building is still closed to the general public, as are most of the buildings on the county campus. I think right now the only ones open to the public are the Clerk and Treasurer's office. Other places where the public might go (court, jail, veteran's services, etc.) currently require appointments.

Anybody, employee or general public, get's their temperature taken by a non-contact thermometer every time they come in to the building and the first time you come in for the day you are asked:

  1. How are you feeling in general for the day?
  2. Have you traveled outside of the United States in the past two weeks?
  3. Has anybody in your household shown symptoms or tested positive for COVID-19 in the past two weeks?
  4. Have you tested positive for COVID-19 in the past two weeks?
If your temperature is above a certain point (I cannot remember what the threshold is off the top of my head) you are denied entry but you can go sit down and try again in a few minutes. Some employees like to go for walks outside on their breaks when the weather is nice and the machines that take our temps often register a high temp if you are coming in from outside, walking through a shadeless parking lot on a hot, sunny day. If you sit down on the benches outside and just wait a couple minutes, they usually test again with an acceptable temperature.

If you are not feeling well but not exhibiting any other symptoms, you are denied entry for the day. If you answer "Yes" to numbers 2 or 3, you're sent home and forbidden from entering for at least two weeks. If you answer yes to number 4, you are sent home and forbidden from entering for at least two weeks and a negative COVID-19 test.

Nobody is exempt from these. I was passing through the lobby when I was in the office last Wednesday and saw the County Executive going through the motions just like everybody else.

Of course, somebody could just lie when answering the questions...
 

jsk1983

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Our office building is still closed to the general public, as are most of the buildings on the county campus. I think right now the only ones open to the public are the Clerk and Treasurer's office. Other places where the public might go (court, jail, veteran's services, etc.) currently require appointments.

Anybody, employee or general public, get's their temperature taken by a non-contact thermometer every time they come in to the building and the first time you come in for the day you are asked:

  1. How are you feeling in general for the day?
  2. Have you traveled outside of the United States in the past two weeks?
  3. Has anybody in your household shown symptoms or tested positive for COVID-19 in the past two weeks?
  4. Have you tested positive for COVID-19 in the past two weeks?
If your temperature is above a certain point (I cannot remember what the threshold is off the top of my head) you are denied entry but you can go sit down and try again in a few minutes. Some employees like to go for walks outside on their breaks when the weather is nice and the machines that take our temps often register a high temp if you are coming in from outside, walking through a shadeless parking lot on a hot, sunny day. If you sit down on the benches outside and just wait a couple minutes, they usually test again with an acceptable temperature.

If you are not feeling well but not exhibiting any other symptoms, you are denied entry for the day. If you answer "Yes" to numbers 2 or 3, you're sent home and forbidden from entering for at least two weeks. If you answer yes to number 4, you are sent home and forbidden from entering for at least two weeks and a negative COVID-19 test.

Nobody is exempt from these. I was passing through the lobby when I was in the office last Wednesday and saw the County Executive going through the motions just like everybody else.

Of course, somebody could just lie when answering the questions...
Isn't the prevalence of the virus lower in most other countries? Chicago and Cook County want people to self-quarantine for two weeks if they visit a list of certain states...
 

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Isn't the prevalence of the virus lower in most other countries? Chicago and Cook County want people to self-quarantine for two weeks if they visit a list of certain states...
Yes it is. I wouldn't be surprised if our health department is looking at revising this question to ask if you've traveled domestically and if so to which states/metro areas and then there may be a follow up or denial of entry based on your response.

We have people in our office who regularly travel to Asia and Europe and we actually started requiring people who had traveled to China, South Korea, Spain, Italy and a few other places to work from home for at least two weeks after their return way back in February and early March, before we started seeing many cases here in Michigan so I imagine that question was one of the first they decided to ask, as we've been screening people coming in since we shut down to the public on 16th. We stopped all work-related international travel two weeks before that (right when a coworker was scheduled to fly out to South Korea as their case count was exploding) and then stopped all domestic travel a few days later.
 

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Isn't the prevalence of the virus lower in most other countries?
Air travel in particular (and that includes international) should have the most stringent screening/quarantine requirements. Planes have recirculated air and simply being onboard necessarily means exposure to one and all aboard. So even if someone was flying back from a country with zero cases, any Americans onboard flying back from there could transmit the virus if they were in the US (or other germy place) within a two week period prior.
 

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Is your place of work doing any sort of health screening? If so, what all are you doing? If you have a list of questions when people come in, what are they and what happens if they answer them in a way that might indicate that they are a health risk?
We have a sign that says "don't come in if you have these symptoms" but there is no enforcement or followup. Our very lax approach to COVID does seem to wearing on our staff though.
 

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I have an issue when employees are asked (not at my place of business) to perform health screenings. Sorry, that's the job of a health care professional. I don't care if it's just questions and a temperature screening, that's not my job or anyone in my office's job.
 

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I have an issue when employees are asked (not at my place of business) to perform health screenings. Sorry, that's the job of a health care professional. I don't care if it's just questions and a temperature screening, that's not my job or anyone in my office's job.
I agree with you and that's probably my biggest beef about this whole situation. Enforcement is pushed to people who have no training. And having your coworker perform your health screening is dangerously close to a HIPPA violation.
 

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I have an issue when employees are asked (not at my place of business) to perform health screenings. Sorry, that's the job of a health care professional. I don't care if it's just questions and a temperature screening, that's not my job or anyone in my office's job.
I have the same issue. The county has asked for volunteers from each building to take daylong shifts to sit at the door and conduct the screenings. We have a large well-funded, well-staffed health department and when the department head emailed me to ask if I'd be willing to take a shift I let him know that I thought the Health Department should be taking those shifts. I got a response that made it sound like I was not the only one to voice that concern and that the Health Department was in fact manning the doors at buildings open to the public but since our building is completely closed and maybe only 20 or 30 people come in on any day (compared to a few hundred on normal days) they are just asking for volunteers from within.

My concern isn't so much that it's not my job (because, hey, "other duties as assigned"), but because I wouldn't want to be the one held responsible for letting somebody through who shouldn't have been let through. I think employees entering the building might also be more comfortable answering the questions from an impartial health professional rather than a coworker who they might see every day.
 

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Our security staff does a no contact temperature scan. If it is below 99.1 you may enter the building. You are to call in sick or work remotely if you have cold, cough, or allergy symptoms. We don't see the general public in my building so it's not been a big deal. Most people are only working 2 days a week in office and remotely for the rest of the time.
 

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For the first time since the start of March, my oldest has a friend over. It's the same girl who we let our daughter go visit at her house a couple of weeks ago. We know this family well enough to trust that they've been very safe and our daughter is the only other person who has visited their house (though she stayed outside) and their daughter is the only person to visit our house (though, again, they are staying outside).

They've got the Slip 'n Slide out and are playing in a big blow-up pool and on a swing and dancing around to some music on the patio. It's nice to listen to them both out there laughing and playing. Our youngest, on the other hand, is very sad that we're not letting her outside to play with them too and that makes me sad. :(

When our daughter visited them, the mom made them cucumber salad and finger sandwiches. We made them brownies and Fritos and sweet tea.
 

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I don't know why we are all making such a big deal out of this, 99% it's just the sniffles.
 
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How much goes one of the space suits cost? A second question is. How much goes one of the bubble boy suits cost? I'm asking for a friend.
As a resident of the first U.S. coronavirus mega-epicenter in New York City, I've already researched products like that at many online sites.
As you probably guessed, your might first try Amazon for comparison shopping (link):

To do the ^above search^ I typed in--under "All Departments"--these three words:
hazmat suit medical
(Also ordered price from low to high.)
 

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Gov. Parsons of Missouri:

"These kids have got to get back to school,” Parson told Cox. “They’re at the lowest risk possible. And if they do get COVID-19, which they will — and they will when they go to school — they’re not going to the hospitals. They’re not going to have to sit in doctor’s offices. They’re going to go home and they’re going to get over it.”


What about the teachers, coaches, admin, and parents of those kids when they get infected...asking for a friend.
 

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This is crazy, but I may have to go to Florida in a little over a week. Palm Beach County. Family stuff. (No, nobody has COVID-19.) I could use the change in venue, but ... south Florida?

We have 203 total cases (1 : 492), and 27 active COVID-19 cases (1 : 3703) here (up from literally zero a couple of weeks ago, supposedly due to the tourism season), and 0 deaths so far.

Palm Beach County has ... well, I can't find out how many active cases there are, but so far, 26,700 total cases (1 : 56), and 701 deaths (1 : 2135).

Looks like quarantine time!
 

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And .... my office is closing to the public again, v2.0, through 8/7, and likely longer, as covid-19 cases once again bloom locally.
So, its back to me being essential and thus on-call all work day, and my staff WFH, with occasional visits to the office as needed.
 

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We're not doing very well here locally. Numbers continue to spike. Two local politicians are on ventilators, so most people are finally starting to take it seriously. Local schools have decided to push back opening a week in hopes the mask ordinance will cut down on cases.

Early college move-in starts this weekend. I think most of the local businesses are taking the "I'll believe it when they actually make it into town, approach."

We did have a slightly comical event this morning. An employee came to my office and said she was sick and needed to go home. She looked horrible and before she finished I told her to go home. We went though a whole sanitization process with her desk and worried for a little while that we might have an active case. About 20 minutes later, one of the ladies she is friendly with pulled up a picture of the employee out on the town last night with what looked like a 32 oz margarita or two. We were able to confirm symptoms were more of the hangover variety than COVID.
 

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Not sure why, but Indiana will wait until Monday, 7/27, to put mandatory masking up in place, even though they announced it on 7/22. I mean, I know Hoosiers are a bit slow, but five freaking days? Seriously?
 

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Looking at that map of those three states, it occurs to me that NYC plus New Jersey and Connecticut should have been a state, and upstate New York should have been its own state. With a name that wasn't New York.
People in Central and Western NY would agree but we need each other in a weird way
 

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Looking at that map of those three states, it occurs to me that NYC plus New Jersey and Connecticut should have been a state, and upstate New York should have been its own state. With a name that wasn't New York.
If the US were to ever go away, rational boundaries for a post-breakup northeast could be:

- New England Federation (CT north of Hartford, incl Litchfield County, MA, NH, VT, ME)
- New Netherland (CT south of Hartford, w/o Litchfield County, NYS south of Columbia County + NYC & Long Island, Northern NJ)
- Adirondack (NYS north of Columbia County)

These three nations would be close allies and trading partners, or even potentially subnations within the same union (although Adirondack would potentially have close ties to the Greater Mitten Alliance to the west due to the midwestern/lakes cultural connections)
 

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If the US were to ever go away, rational boundaries for a post-breakup northeast could be:

  • New England Federation (CT north of Hartford, incl Litchfield County, MA, NH, VT, ME)
  • New Netherland (CT south of Hartford, w/o Litchfield County, NYS south of Columbia County + NYC & Long Island, Northern NJ)
  • Adirondack (NYS north of Columbia County)

These three nations would be close allies and trading partners, or even potentially subnations within the same union (although Adirondack would potentially have close ties to the Greater Mitten Alliance to the west due to the midwestern/lakes cultural connections)
Where do you define "Northern NJ"? Curious ex-pats want to know. :D

As for me, "Upstate" NY starts near the MA/CT border or thereabouts.
 

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Not sure why, but Indiana will wait until Monday, 7/27, to put mandatory masking up in place, even though they announced it on 7/22. I mean, I know Hoosiers are a bit slow, but five freaking days? Seriously?
That happened here, too for several orders intended to protect everybody. It doesnt make sense.
 

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Ultimate fictional contact tracing quote -

he's sick.
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night.
I guess it's pretty serious.
From Ferris Bueller's Day Off
 
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