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Cyburbia Death Match #8 : VW vs. Subaru

VW or Subaru

  • VW

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • Subaru

    Votes: 25 69.4%
  • Other (explained below)

    Votes: 4 11.1%

  • Total voters
    36

mendelman

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VW or Subaru....hmmmmm

I would pefer a Subbie over a VW, but it is pretty close.

VWs like the Jetta Wagon 1.8T or a Golf 4dr 1.8T would be great, but then again a nice 4wd Subbie wagon would be cooler.

There is a certain cache one gets from being a Subaru owner. Similar to the aura around owning a Saab.
 

Tranplanner

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A year ago, it would have been a no-brainer for me - VW all the way. After hearing several cyburbanites rave about their subbies, I'm intrigued. I guess the WRX rally car has smitten me too. VW's reputation has taken a bit of a beating lately - their customer service is apparently really bad in Canada.
 

Chet

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mendelman said:
There is a certain cache one gets from being a Subaru owner.
Its usually associated with lebsians, I thought?

For new cars, Subaru.

For vintage, you cant beat the Karmann Ghia
 

SGB

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Re: Re: VW or Subaru....hmmmmm

Chet said:
Its [Subarus] usually associated with lebsians, I thought?
It's more often associated with anyone who wants reliable all wheel drive without the size, cost, stigma, etc. of a SUV.

I've never owned anything else, nor do I ever expect to.
 

mendelman

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Re: Re: VW or Subaru....hmmmmm

Chet said:
Its usually associated with lebsians, I thought?
I guess, but for me it is owning something capable, utilitarian, and not neccessarily "beautiful".

Then again by those standards I would take a 4wd AMC Eagle wagon, too.
 

Tranplanner

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Chet said:
Its usually associated with lebsians, I thought?

For new cars, Subaru.

For vintage, you cant beat the Karmann Ghia
Is there such a thing as a vintage Subaru?
 

Greenescapist

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VW may make more stylish or hip-looking cars, but I question the quality of the craftsmanship. A lot of my friends have problems with their VWs. Two years ago when I was car shopping, it came down to a VW Jetta or a Subaru Legacy. They were the same price, but with the Subaru I got AWD, leather and a sunroof. I bet I'll buy another Subaru for my next car.

Oh, and to feed on Chet's comment.... my gay sister also drives a Subaru.
 

donk

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i voted VW, but when it comes time to replace mine I probaably won't buy another one, want something different.

As for four wheel drive, there is the passat wagon 1.8T four motion available.

On theservice side, my local dealer is great. they actually gave me free shocks last year when mine went. The story goes that someone came in to hop up their golf and left the realtively new stock shocks to be disposed of. Mine went and presto free parts, had to pay for installation only.

My primary image of vintage subarus is rust.
 

BKM

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You've heard my position. Pracitcality+Fun.

Plus, I like my car's design Too many Japanese cars are bland look-alikes (Honda or Toyota or Mazda) or bloated bizarro designs (new Nissans). The Subie is quirky. It certainly ain't elegant or stylish, but. . .

I have to admit that VWs are more beautiful cars. The Germans know car design (although some of the new BMWs are pretty questionable). And they are really good for gas mileage-in some models.
 

biscuit

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I find the VW's to be hands and above better looking cars but, like has been stated before, I am weary of their qulity. Several WV owning friends of mine have had lots of problems - often with the electric systems - with thier Jetta's and Passat's (Some of the Trixie and Chad crowd).

I mentioned to my fiance that we should look at getting a Subaru wagon but she nixed that idea by telling me I might as well be a 45 year old, tweed jacket wearing, kid toting college professor if I bought one.
 

biscuit

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Ain't that the truth, but she would never diss Volvo drivers because that's what she wants.

Personally, I would prefer we buy a house and just drive my Honda till it dies.
 

Plannerbabs

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Why not both?

I've got one of each ('95 Legacy, '03 TDI Golf). The Subie is the only one in our family, and is still running strong w/over 100k on it. When it came time to get another car, (for future husband--he gets the Subie, usually), I got another VW. We've had 7 in our family, including 3 diesels, and only one gave us any real problems--and we still got 130k out of it. I think I saw it on the highway the other day, too. The Subie is great, I looked at new ones, but the snow in our area usually isn't that bad, so it pretty much boiled down to AWD vs diesel fuel economy. Besides, the Subies here tend to be a bit more expensive, even the basic ones, than the VW's. The fuel economy, thanks to our road-tripping habit and lots of site visits, won out. But the next car might be a Subie, too....
 

jmf

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I'm torn, I just turned 250,000km on my '97 Golf and I love it but its days are numbered. We test drove a legacy wagon on the weekend and really liked it.
 

martini

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Gotta vote for Subaru here. We've had an Impreza Outback since 1997 (130k and going strong!) and are just about ot buy another one (A Legacy Wagon). We've had no trouble with them, and milage is good (OK with bikes on top). Getting around is easy, especailly in winter. I can go on most roads and jeep trails with it and not worry. If the road is bad enough, I'd rather be rideing anyways! I did test drive a Jetta GLI and Passat 1.8T last week, and they were really quite nice. Especailly the Jetta. A 200 hp V-6 in small car = big ass grins! 100mph in 4th, dripped it into 5th and got scared at 110 and backed down. Didn't touch 6th gear at all. Quite impressive. That being said, I probably won't get one. The WRX wagon has teh right combination of practicality and fun for me.
 

giff57

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Mike D. said:
I heard there was talk of lesbians here?

Originally posted by EG
And, talk of Volvos too! My spidey-sense is tingling!

Um, EG, I don't think that's your Spidey Sense that's tingling.....
 

JNL

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Over here, the rivalry is between the WRX and the Mitsubishi Evo (latest is the Evo 8 now I think).

Anyone else familiar with Evo's? They look quite similar to a WRX.
 

Mud Princess

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This is too funny. My husband's a Subie tech but has also worked for a VW dealership, so I've heard it all about both kinds of cars. I like both Subarus and Volkswagens. Chet's photo of the vintage Karman Ghia made me drool ;) but for a new or recent car, I think I'd choose Subaru.

BTW, Subaru does a lot of marketing in gay publications, hence the "lesbian driver" image. They're also very popular in the hiking and backpacking crowd. I see a lot of Subarus parked at trailheads.
 

Chet

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Mud Princess said:
...Chet's photo of the vintage Karman Ghia made me drool...
This was my Ghia, purchased in 1999 on eBay for $600.

I marathon-roadtripped with two good buddiesto Newport News, VA to pick her up. Literally left work Friday night and got on the road at 6PM, drove non-stop (which was interesting becasue it was 3 days after Hurricane Flloyd hit the coast), picked her up at 1PM saturady, and was home for breakfast 8AM Sunday morning.

I sold her when I bought a colonial with a 2 car garage on an alley, a 40 foot wide lot with no room for a parking pad, and had 4 cars + the hog. *SIGH*

Fortunately,

BUGFEST is held every year and there's a great swap meet / sale section, and next time I wont have to do the restoration myself.

EDIT: OMG *thats* what the Land Rover looked like when it had a clear coat finish on the paint. These days it is almost pink from oxydation (and polka dotted with shiney tree sap!) Prudence cringes when he sees it.
 

ilikefish0

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Vote for VW.

My 73 beetle will spit rust in your subaru's eyes!
It doesn't leak oil, it just marks its spot.
Really, that hole is supposed to be in the floor.
Just pump the brakes, they'll work eventually.

CRRRRRRRRRRRUNCH. Second gear syncromesh is gone.

Seriously, though my other vw, an 89 Jetta ,was great.

And if you want quirky, get a saab.
 

Mud Princess

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Chet said:
This was my Ghia, purchased in 1999 on eBay for $600...
When I was a kid, my friend's mom had a red Karman Ghia convertible. We used to ride in the back with our legs dangling down into the back seat -- totally unsafe, no seat belts -- they weren't required back then. Of course we would have gone flying if the driver had had an accident. It was so much fun! I've wanted a Karman Ghia ever since.
 

Seabishop

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Mud Princess said:

They're also very popular in the hiking and backpacking crowd. I see a lot of Subarus parked at trailheads.
I was in the White Mts a few weeks ago and I swear I was the only person not driving an Outback or Volvo Crosscountry.

I vote Subaru. More practical. AWD. They don't seem to hang their hat on the fact that they're German and trendy like VW. Subaru's commercials are also less annoying.
 

SkeLeton

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In my dreams: a Porsche (anything BUT a Cayenne!)

In reality: Peugeot :) (a 'freedom' car ;))
 

biscuit

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SkeLeton said:
In my dreams: a Porsche (anything BUT a Cayenne!)
OT: No doubt. I looked at a Cayenne over the weekend and all I can say is "BLEEECH" It's the most un-Porsche vehicle they could have made with an interior that might as well have been done by Mazda, and for $61,000 I would expect a lot more.
 

Mud Princess

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SkeLeton said:
In my dreams: a Porsche (anything BUT a Cayenne!)

In reality: Peugeot :) (a 'freedom' car ;))
You have a Pewie? Cool!

We had a Peugeot as a rental car when we went to Scotland a few years back. It was fun to drive and great on gas mileage, but the heat ducts emanated an odd smell -- so we nicknamed the car "Pewie."
 

pandersen

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VW or Subaru

For me, I'm one of the thousands born with the VW gene. Until 2000, I owned , restored and drove a 1973 Super Beetle for 20 years. It just about killed me when I sold her - got $5000.00 Cdn. I guess itwas time to finally drive something newer. I went out and bought a 2000 Ford Exploder V8 AWD (winters on the Prairies are tough).

On the plus side, dad gifted me his 1984 BMW 318i that I drive in the summer when the weather is nice - ahell of a lot easier on fuel too. The odometer just rolled over 300,000kms (original clutch, engine etc. I just drove this machine back from a trip to Ontario which I make annually. Still looks and runs great - she's paid for too.

If I were looking for one new vehicle today, however, I probably would at least have a look at a Subaru even though I think they are a bit over priced. On the other hand, a nice two or three year old 5 Series BMW would be great too. A well, it doesn't really matter because on average, I drive my cars for at leat 12 years before going to look for another.
 

ChevyChaseDC

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BKM said:
Nah, Biscuit. THAT crowd drives Volvos. :)
BKM,

Haven't you heard? _Subaru_ is the new Volvo!

There was a recent article in the NY Times about political affliations and the correlation with car make and model purchase and ownership. Subaru has among the most reliably Democratic owners in the US. Volvo is also still primarily owned by Democrats, but Republicans are making inroads as the cars become increasingly plush (Porsche, believe it or not, is the most Republican car make, though Republicans do tend to buy more American cars, and more trucks and SUVs. Democrats, on the other hand, buy more imports, more minivans, more small cars, and more hybrids.)
 

zman

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I am a Liberal who went from a Volvo to a Subaru.

I was thinking of a Jetta TDI too, but after the snow storm in the mountains I had to drive through, I'm glad I got my Forester. (Now if I could only get bike rack parts for it for cheap :-@ )
 

The One

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Arrrgggghhhh....

NO MORE VW's for me..... :( :-c :-{ :-@ :-| From now on, I go for mileage and price then style and comfort.....I'm starting to sound like my grandfather.... :-$
 

thestip

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Ok, I got to this thread a little late, but I would have voted VW. It's a tough call though. I have a 2000 VW GTI 1.8T, and I love it. Bought it brand new and have 95,000 miles on it. I did have weird electrical problems though, they thankfully were all under warrenty. VW has the styling thing down. Subaru though I have to say is a damn good car. My mother got an Outback last year and it has been awesome in the snow. Everytime she goes to the supermarket people come up to her and ask how she likes her Subie, and then they tell of how they had 200,000+ miles on theirs. So Subaru definitely knows quality. Personally, I would love to get my hands on a VW R32, you get the best of both worlds, 240hp and AWD all in Golf style.
 

Plannerbabs

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I'm still loving my newish Golf TDI and my older Subie Legacy...never had any problems with either.
 

Jaxspra

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Have never driven either but recently test drove a Subaru Forrester and didn't love it at all...felt boxy and uncomfortable inside..have riden in a Golf and liked it a lot...I currently drive a Jeep Cherokee (older boxy body style) and LOVE it...not sure I would prefer to drive anything else...out of the 8 cars I have driven :-$ it is by far my favorite.
 
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