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Different road name at intersection?

SlaveToTheGrind

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Does your code prohibit changing road names at an intersection? If Maple Street is located on the east side of Main Street, do you allow the same road alignment to be called Oak Street on the west side of Main Street?
 

JNA

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In my fair city Main Street is "0" for east - west streets.

So we would say
east of Main Street it would be East Maple Street and
west of Main Street it would be West Maple Street.

We have 17+ streets that follow this.

Where Main Street turns on compass orientation -
we use NW & SE

We have 10 streets that follow this.
 

Maister

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Does your code prohibit changing road names at an intersection? If Maple Street is located on the east side of Main Street, do you allow the same road alignment to be called Oak Street on the west side of Main Street?
No, but it should.
 

Salmissra

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Name does not change at intersection unless it's an intersection with a Highway. Then it's encouraged to keep the same name, but not required.

Changes of directional indication do not mean a name change. So East Main crosses Founders, becomes West Main on opposite side = same street name.

However, if the road makes a 90 or more degree turn, then the name changes. So spaghetti streets get very confusing!
 

DVD

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We allow it, but it seems to be where the road from city A was called Maple and the road from city B was called Main so the names changes at the intersection. Today all the cities require roads to carry on names based on alignment. So you can have a local road in a neighborhood running clear across multiple cities - we're talking 30 miles or more. It will start and stop however you want, but that street one block up from Maple will always be called whatever road it is regardless of starts, stops, intersections or whatever.
 

Planit

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No, but it should.
Ditto!





I remember giving my dad directions to our house many years ago (pre-gps days). He asked for street names to follow & I told him that it is better to use landmarks. The 'street' he had to travel changes it's name 4 times from when he turned onto it until he turned off to get to the house. Seriously, all you had to do is keep driving straight - no turns - and it changes names.
 

Gedunker

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We wouldn’t permit it now, but there a couple of places where an old street makes a 90-degree turn, and keep the same name. It’s always fun to write a staff report noting that the subject site is near the intersection of Tom Jones Way and Tom Jones Way.
 

Dan

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It's fairly common in communities and regions that don't use address baselines or pre-approved street name grids, like much of the Northeast. Addressing for a new street in a subdivision will always start close to or at "1". If a later new street has the same starting point and runs in the opposite direction, turning a "T" intersection into a full four-way, there's only a few choices for addressing.

1) Negative numbering. Like the Post Office and E-9-1-1 folks will approve that.

2) Keep the same name as the first street along along the same alignment, and rea-ddress everything on the older street. That ain't gonna' happen.
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3) Add an "East" or "West" prefix or "Extension" suffix to the new street.

4) Give the new street a new name.

Working back in the Northeast, I'm finding that street naming standards in most communities are non-existent. Suffixes have no meaning, there's a lot of name duplication and sound-alikes, irregular spelling and possessive names are common (a subdivision in a nearby town has something like "Kayden's Lane", for example), you see things like "Hundred Hills Drive" (What's your address? 35 Hundred Hills Drive) ... it's a mess. Nothing like the Western states.
 

Maister

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Working back in the Northeast, I'm finding that street naming standards in most communities are non-existent. Suffixes have no meaning, there's a lot of name duplication and sound-alikes, irregular spelling and possessive names are common (a subdivision in a nearby town has something like "Kayden's Lane", for example), you see things like "Hundred Hills Drive" (What's your address? 35 Hundred Hills Drive) ... it's a mess. Nothing like the Western states.
Folks can say what they will about how dull and uninspiring midwestern checkerboard grid development is, but it can't be beat when it comes to way-finding and addresses.
 

Big Owl

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We have a major east-west road that changes names 11 times within our county because it goes through several jurisdictions so the name changes when the jurisdiction changes. There is one place that the road is the boundary between two different cities and each side of the road has a different name. It's messed up.
 

Doohickie

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Virtually all addresses in Fort Worth count from downtown courthouse. Streets that go both ways from the baseline are marked with a direction (like North Henderson Street, South Henderson Street). When people give addresses, they often leave off the N, S, E, or W and just say Henderson Street, depending on context. Sometimes that can screw things up pretty good.

There are also numbered grids in some sections of town. Downtown has numbered streets at a slight cocked (not square to N-S-E-W directions) angle, but more parallel to E-W than to N-S. They count south from the courthouse and are called W 1st St./E 1st St., W 2nd St./E 2nd St., etc., depending on which side of Main Street they're on. Interestingly, the street numbers along the N-S streets are out of sync with the numbered streets; in most cities, 210 Main Street would be between 2nd and 3rd Streets, but in Fort Worth it is between 1st and 2nd Streets.

South of downtown, there are straight N-S numbered Avenues, that count up as you move west from Main Street, but for some reason they start at 5th Avenue, and they alternate with named streets (S Henderson St., 5th Ave., S Lake St., 6th Ave, Fairmount Ave., 7th Ave., Hurley Ave., 8th Ave., etc.)

Then north of downtown, there is a second set of numbered streets that count north from the courthouse, also primarily E-W but again at a slightly cocked angle. Those are named the same as the numbered streets downtown, with an N added, and starting a few blocks north of the courthouse, so NW 4th St./NE 4th St., NW 5th St./NE 5th St., etc. At 20th Street, the grid shifts to a straight N-S-E-W alignment, when the count gets that high, since there is no 20th St. going south from the courthouse, the N is sometimes dropped, so W 20th St./E 20th St. and so on. Even though the northern grid counts back to the courthouse, this part of town was not originally part of Fort Worth; it was called Niles City, but was incorporated into Fort Worth in 1923. Niles City is where the Fort Worth Stockyards was/is (no longer a meatpacking district; now a cowboy tourist district).

Once you get away from the numbered grid streets, the numbers continue to count out from downtown- counting east and west from Main Street and north and south from... I'm not sure, but I think an imaginary line running east and west from the courthouse. Every mile from the center is about (but not exactly) 1000 address numbers. So 7500 on a north south street is about 8 miles north or south from the courthouse, or something like that.
 

Doohickie

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We have a major east-west road that changes names 11 times within our county because it goes through several jurisdictions so the name changes when the jurisdiction changes. There is one place that the road is the boundary between two different cities and each side of the road has a different name. It's messed up.
We have access roads/frontage roads along the freeways. Sometimes those roads are named for the freeway (addresses will be XXXX NW Loop 820) or sometimes the frontage road will carry the name of the street that was closest to the freeway when the freeway was built. As a result, sometimes on the north side of an E-W freeway it will be one street name north of the freeway and a different street name south of the freeway. Or it could be the same. So you might not think a business could be located at 5XXX West Rosedale Street because Rosedale doesn't go that far west, but for 5 blocks, the West Freeway access road is called W Rosedale. East or west of that stretch, the address would simply be XXXX West Freeway.
 

B'lieve

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That's funny. Our city is riddled with name changes at intersections.
Ditto here in Baltimore, though I don't think any of them occur at our two "Mile Zero" streets: Charles Street (runs north-south, starting point for counting east-west blocks) and Baltimore Street (east-west, starting point for north-south blocks).
 

WSU MUP Student

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We have a major east-west road that changes names 11 times within our county because it goes through several jurisdictions so the name changes when the jurisdiction changes. There is one place that the road is the boundary between two different cities and each side of the road has a different name. It's messed up.

I thought we had a bad one here that's a major road with 5 different names, depending on the city it's in.
 

Doohickie

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Route 183 in and around Fort Worth has 10 names. It's kind of a loop road and changes directions quite a bit. It branches off I-20 in a northwesterly direction and is called Southwest Blvd. It goes through a traffic circle and continues northward, as Alta Mere Drive. It bends toward the northeast and runs a mile or two, cuts through Westworth Village and becomes Westworth Blvd. Then it cuts through River Oaks as River Oaks Blvd. Upon entering Fort Worth again it becomes Ephriham Ave., then bends east to become NW 28th Street. When it crosses Main it becomes NE 28th Street. It tips toward the northeast again and becomes E Belknap Street, then bends east again as Baker Blvd, then becomes W Hurst Blvd for one block before merging into IH-820 and heading to DFW Airport.

 

RandomPlanner

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In my last municipality, it was expressly prohibited to allow one continuous road with more than one name. That city was designed as a grid so it was fairly easy to regulate and to understand. Incidentally, the Code also prohibited street names within the jurisdiction from sounding like one another. I'm assuming that ordinance was written some time after Johnston and Johnson Streets were named a few blocks from each other.

Where I grew up, rural road names OFTEN changed at intersections. My favorite one actually made the most sense to me -- as you drove, you'd see signs like "Smithtown Rd > Smithtown Johnson Rd > Johnson Rd > Johnson Whatever St > Whatever St > Whatever Something St > Something St..." I believe it changed 4-5 times in 20 miles.
 

MD Planner

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I'm totally used to roads changing names after an intersection. I can think of several in my hometown that did it. I don't ever remember it being an issue either.
 

Bubba

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I'm totally used to roads changing names after an intersection. I can think of several in my hometown that did it. I don't ever remember it being an issue either.
There's one in my hometown that has five different names. My fairly educated guess is that most of what is now the one long road were originally independent rural segments connected as the town grew outwards post-WWII.
 
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